The End of the Multiplier!

[AlcoasPaintedBridge]

Well, RC and the boys are planning to do away with the multiplier by the 2009 season. What does this mean and who will be affected most? I am all for it as Alcoa has to travel ridiculous miles to find a non-region game, maybe some the privates that are moved down will find room on the schedule for us (Knox Catholic). And maybe Goodpasture wil win a state championship (OK that was a cheap shot, I'm sorry.) I had a feeling that this would happen or the open-zone schools would be thrown in with the D1 privates.

 

Discuss.

 

The End of the Multiplier. (maybe)

[Indian]

Here is what I came up with, using the latest enrollment figures from the TSSAA site. Some of these are already clearly outdated enrollments but it should give a general idea of what it will be like, if passed. Let's focus less on the public private issue in here since there's a forum for it elsewhere.

 

A few quick notes:

Goodpasture and CAK could remain 2A, it will probably be close depending on their enrollments and others below and above them.

 

Alcoa would probably gain Catholic but should lose Loudon, Sweetwater also should be on the edge of 3A.

 

Sequatchie (around 650 now), Cannon County, Smith County should all be 3A.

 

The Chattanooga 1A region might have nine teams to start, with the new Signal Mountain school making 10.

 

Maryville and Rhea County should easily be 5A as these numbers are apparently well below their current enrollments.

 

1A

David Brainerd 88

Zion Christian 104

Temple 106

Rossville Christian 125

Mt Juliet Christian 135

Knoxville Grace 138

Clarksville Academy 142

Oakdale 163

Silverdale Academy 165

Gleason 166

Greenfield 169

MTCS 171

Columbia Academy 174

Sunbright 179

Chattanooga Grace 181

Nashville Christian 182

Pickett County 192

Red Boiling Springs 201

Bradford 208

Copper Basin 208

Trinity Christian 214

Friendship 217

Cloudland 218

Huntland 222

Hollow Rock-Bruceton 224

Greenback 226

Coalfield 227

Clarkrange 231

Fayette Academy 233

Lookout Valley 233

South Fulton 244

South Pittsburg 247

Clay Co.249

Jackson Christian 251

Lake Co. 258

Midway 268

Ezell-Harding 279

FRA 279

Cornersville 281

Moore Co. 286

DCA 286

Harriman 301

Eagleville 310

CPA 310

Collinwood 324

Westside 326

McEwen 329

Community 334

Perry County 336

Monterey 339

Wayne County 339

White House Heritage 341

Whitwell 343

Gordonsville 345

Boyd-Buchanan 347

Watertown 347

Unaka 348

Jellico 353

West Carroll 354

Jo Byrns School 356

 

2A

Middleton 356

Manassas 358

Goodpasture 360

CAK 373

USJ 378

McKenzie 382

Halls 383

Mt Pleasant 385

Union City 391

North Greene 400

Forrest 402

Chattanooga Christian 405

Huntingdon 407

Peabody 407

Summertown 411

Cosby 411

Trousdale 414

Cascade 422

Oneida

Houston Co.425

Wartburg 425

Dresden 432

Humboldt 433

East Robertson 436

Richland 441

Adamsville 442

Hampton 443

Decatur Co. Riverside 451

Rockwood 455

Westside 456

Alcoa 473

Marion Co. 478

Upperman 479

Treadwell 484

Oliver Springs 492

Jackson County 494

South Greene 497

Oakhaven 498

Westmoreland 507

Meigs County 513

Tellico Plains 519

Loretto 526

Lipscomb 526

Bledsoe Co. 532

Tyner 536

Knoxville Catholic 548

Lewis County 553

Memphis South Side 557

Notre Dame 561

Chuckey-Doak 569

Polk Co. 569

Happy Valley 576

Milan 577

Sequatchie 578

Gatlinburg-Pittman 588

Camden 605

West Greene 608

Sweetwater 611

Cumberland Gap 618

Westview 627

Harpeth 627

 

3A

Carver 632

B. T. Washington 636

Smith Co. 644

Waverly 653

Stewart Co.661

Grundy Co. 676

York 668

Frayser 672

Cheatham Co. 672

Cannon Co. 674

Loudon 675

Kingston 677

Johnson Co. 683

Pearl Cohn 686

Austin-East 702

Sullivan North 703

Chester Co. 706

Scott 741

Gibson Co. 754

Unicoi Co. 754

Pigeon Forge 769

DeKalb County 771

Elizabethton 774

McNairy 775

Crockett County 778

Marshall County 779

Howard 797

McMinn Central 802

Claiborne County 804

Covington 807

Jackson South Side 807

Page 813

Rutledge 814

Macon Co. 820

Greenbrier 821

White House 827

Central-Merry 835

Greeneville 864

Sycamore 865

Bolivar 865

Gibbs 871

East Ridge 875

Spring Hill 875

Obion County 888

Union Co. 888

Sheffield 889

Livingston Academy 889

Carter 896

Ripley 900

Lexington 903

Station Camp 906

Haywood 911

Fayette Ware 911

Stone 920

Montgomery Central 927

Memphis East 939

Sequoyah 943

Mitchell 947

Dyersburg 948

Brainerd 949

 

4A

Hixson 957

Memphis Northside 960

Giles Co. 967

Creek Wood 971

Springfield 977

Fulton 982

Sullivan East 989

Sullivan Central 999

Liberty 1,007

Chattanooga Central 1,009

Dyer County 1,014

Whites Creek 1,022

Stratford 1,036

Kingsbury 1,037

Jackson North Side 1,044

Portland 1,049

Anderson County 1,051

Maplewood 1,054

Hillcrest 1,056

Red Bank 1,074

Seymour 1,079

Trezevant 1,083 1,083

Knoxville Halls 1,085

Hickman Co. 1,108

Beech 1,109

Lawrence Co. 1,110

Volunteer 1,125

Powell 1,139

Cocke Co.1,142

Cleveland 1,146

Hardin Co. 1,159

Cherokee 1,160

Clinton 1,160

Kenwood 1,162

Shelbyville 1,172

Fairley 1,175

Tennessee 1,178

Lenoir City 1,183

Tullahoma 1,189

White Co. 1,205

Hillsboro 1,225

Daniel Boone 1,229

Northwest High School 1,234

Melrose 1,238

Raleigh Egypt 1,241

South Doyle 1,266

Munford 1,269

Knoxville Central 1,273

Kirby 1,281

Centennial 1,304

Morristown West 1,308

Brighton 1,310

Brentwood 1,311

Walker Valley 1,314

Morristown East 1,321

West High School 1,329

Memphis Central 1,333

Henry County 1,338

Glencliff 1,352

Rossview 1,356

 

5A

Gallatin 1,358

Campbell Co.1,362

Clarksville High School 1,362

McMinn County 1,363

Ravenwood 1,379

Maryville 1,381

Craigmont 1,387

Hendersonville 1,389

David Crockett 1,390

Hillwood 1,390

Rhea County 1,398

Oakland 1,409

Soddy-Daisy 1,425

Oak Ridge 1,433

Northeast 1,435

Dickson Co. 1,436

Heritage 1,449

Columbia 1,464

Mt. Juliet 1,465

Franklin County 1,498

Wilson Central 1,506

Independence 1,523

William Blount 1,539

Overton 1,551

Lincoln Co.1,552

Millington 1,557

Lebanon 1,564

Bradley Central 1,571

Wooddale 1,571

John Overton 1,572

Arlington 1,580

Ridgeway 1,589

Smyrna 1,594

Coffee County 1,597

Blackman 1,614

Bartlett 1,636

Sevier Co. 1,640

Franklin High School 1,715

Karns 1,735

Ooltewah 1,742

Siegel 1,753

Whitehaven 1,754

Dobyns Bennett 1,799

Warren County 1,802

LaVergne 1,826

Hunters Lane 1,869

Riverdale 1,943

Bearden 1,948

Germantown 1,987

Cumberland Co. 1,994 (doesn't have the numbers lost to the new Stone High School)

Cookeville 2,004

Science Hill 2,031

Cordova 2,035

Jefferson Co. 2,047

Collierville 2,114

White Station 2,152

Farragut High School 2,153

Bolton 2,202

Houston 2,266

Antioch 2,373

McGavock 2,592

[Bighurt]

Ronnie Carter can make that recommendation but doubt that the Board of Control would pass it.

 

JMHO

[66in74]

Indian,

 

If that make up takes place it would really change the scenary in Region 5-3A. Lipscomb back to 2A and Giles Co and Creekwood to 4A. /popcorneater.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":popcorneater:" border="0" alt="popcorneater.gif" />

[Indian]

Giles and Creekwood could probably go either way, like several schools.

[rollredroll]

I am all for it as Alcoa has to travel ridiculous miles to find a non-region game, maybe some the privates that are moved down will find room on the schedule for us (Knox Catholic).

 

And maybe Goodpasture wil win a state championship (OK that was a cheap shot, I'm sorry.)

 

 

I'm lost on a couple of fronts:

 

1) Why would a private school's classification dictate its willingness to play a certain school? In Catholic's case, they played two DII programs and a good DI-4A program this past year. They played the bigger DII schools (e.g., MBA, McCallie) when they were in a smaller DII class. They didn't exactly avoid competition in non-region games, nor have they avoided tough games in the past.

 

2) Goodpasture, as far as I can tell, has played at AA for as long as they have been in DI. As far as I know, programs can play up in classification but not down, which means Goodpasture, if their enrollment qualifies them for I-A football (don't know if it does or not), has chosen not to play at that level. In fact, Goodpasture has even won a title at the AA level. Why would Goodpasture do anything different going forward (I presume you meant they would drop to 1-A), when they could have been playing I-A ball all along if their pre-multiplier enrollment dictated it?

[Indian]

I never remember Goodpasture having 1A level football enrollment. The reason they'd be on the 1A/2A edge if these numbers are still good is because teams like Forrest and Mt Pleasant are just above them and possibly rising from 1A, Chattanooga Christian starting a team and new schools larger than Goodpasture's 360 being added to the mix.

[AlcoasPaintedBridge]

I'm lost on a couple of fronts:

 

1) Why would a private school's classification dictate its willingness to play a certain school? In Catholic's case, they played two DII programs and a good DI-4A program this past year. They played the bigger DII schools (e.g., MBA, McCallie) when they were in a smaller DII class. They didn't exactly avoid competition in non-region games, nor have they avoided tough games in the past.

 

2) Goodpasture, as far as I can tell, has played at AA for as long as they have been in DI. As far as I know, programs can play up in classification but not down, which means Goodpasture, if their enrollment qualifies them for I-A football (don't know if it does or not), has chosen not to play at that level. In fact, Goodpasture has even won a title at the AA level. Why would Goodpasture do anything different going forward (I presume you meant they would drop to 1-A), when they could have been playing I-A ball all along if their pre-multiplier enrollment dictated it?

 

You kind of made my point for me in a sense, I was complaining about mileage...but in the immediate past, Knoxville Catholic has scheduled the likes of Baylor (2-8) and Morristown West (7-4) both considerable drives as well. Alcoa is 15 miles away.

In 2006 they scheduled winless Wartburg. I like Catholic, their coach and their program. But, if you have an opportunity to play a quality opponent less than a half hour away, you take it.

Webb is their traditional non-conference opponent and a heck of a series and they will always keep that, the same as Alcoa will always play Maryville.

 

As for the second part, the classifications, if changed will be lower number heavy. Most "privates" will be lower in numbers and logic says that they will be either 1 or 2A. The Chattanooga area as well as Nashville will have the biggest impact in that sense because if you are not a private school, you are 4 or 5A. (Just another way of saying what Indian just said. )

[FBCOACH]

I have mixed feelings about the multiplier. I can certainly see how the 1A public schools feel about it but since the lawsuit I think we will see some movement on this front. I could be wrong but I think the TSSAA is headed in a different direction, for better or worse.

[JohnJohn]

Goodpasture has for most of the years had a 1A enrollment but elected to play up. Since 1995 they have won 3 state titles and have had 4 runner ups. The most recent title came in 2001 when they beat Alcoa in the Semi Finals and Westview (with former UT D Lineman Justin Harrell) in the title game.

[BigDave1967]

Everyone on CoachT has been talking about the Multiplier and the future Public-Private separation since the very beginning of CoachT most likely and will probably still be talking about it for the next decade

[BigDave1967]

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