The CPA Rule

[lbell615]

I don't know if CPA cheats. Let me get that out of the way. However, it it safe to assume that that playing field has rapidly become unbalanced. The evidence is there for us all to argue. Right or wrong, it's there. For example, which Mr. Basketball award winner didn't fit in with the others? Mostly all of them played the cards they were dealt: 4 years (one is a JR) at the school, carried a major load for their team that lacked weapons and could have gone elsewhere (transfer, prep school or private school in some cases) to better themselves on the court. None did. Most played in very challenging situations but overcame and succeeded. Hats off to those young men.

 

The problem we have here is not unique. Other states have swiftly addressed situations like CPA's. The TSSAA should just simply add another class to the classifications next year. "Non-Publics". That would solve this problem and add transparency. Lipscomb, Knox Catholic, Goodpasture and others would have to bite the bullet.

 

This problem will only get worst if real decisions weren't made at the TSSAA soon. Football season is right around the corner. Coach Martin is a fine man, but he will be expected to win in the "name of the lord" as well.

[CommanderMan]

I don't know if CPA cheats. Let me get that out of the way. However, it it safe to assume that that playing field has rapidly become unbalanced. The evidence is there for us all to argue. Right or wrong, it's there. For example, which Mr. Basketball award winner didn't fit in with the others? Mostly all of them played the cards they were dealt: 4 years (one is a JR) at the school, carried a major load for their team that lacked weapons and could have gone elsewhere (transfer, prep school or private school in some cases) to better themselves on the court. None did. Most played in very challenging situations but overcame and succeeded. Hats off to those young men.

 

The problem we have here is not unique. Other states have swiftly addressed situations like CPA's. The TSSAA should just simply add another class to the classifications next year. "Non-Publics". That would solve this problem and add transparency. Lipscomb, Knox Catholic, Goodpasture and others would have to bite the bullet.

 

This problem will only get worst if real decisions weren't made at the TSSAA soon. Football season is right around the corner. Coach Martin is a fine man, but he will be expected to win in the "name of the lord" as well.

 

So what are you gonna do with the open zone publics? In my opinion they have even more of an advantage than privates. They can get students from anywhere just like privates, but it only costs the parents of that student 5-10% of what it would cost to send that student to a private.

[takeahack]

So what are you gonna do with the open zone publics? In my opinion they have even more of an advantage than privates. They can get students from anywhere just like privates, but it only costs the parents of that student 5-10% of what it would cost to send that student to a private.

 

CommanderMan,

 

You are exactly right. I have been trying to make this point on the other CPA thread for days. Many counties have open zone/enrollment and get children from other counties at a fraction of the costs. As I mentioned on that thread, private school may not always be an option in some rural areas but a neighboring county may be and although academics might not be that much better, if at all, their athletics may be way better. For example, in baseball in the Knoxville area, why would anyone with a child who is a stud baseball player not want to play at Farragut? Or football at Maryville or Alcoa? And those out of county fees are way cheaper than a private school education.

 

But I think people put blinders on and don't want to think all the things that happen at private schools also happens in some areas at public schools. To be fair that issue would have to be addressed as well but probably won't. I think the TSSAA may address the issue because of the CPA-FCS issue this year. Too much domination by the privates for some people's likings. Especially if FCS wins state in baseball, which they have a great chance to do if they can get past Gant and Riverside!

[lbell615]

So what are you gonna do with the open zone publics? In my opinion they have even more of an advantage than privates. They can get students from anywhere just like privates, but it only costs the parents of that student 5-10% of what it would cost to send that student to a private.

So you believe that Privates should play with Publics for State titles because of open enrollment? That makes no sense. CPA and FCS should compete for titles against each other. Open enrollment is so wide spread in the state that it has balance. What's wrong with non-public schools (that choose to not play in DII) playing in their own league? Unless their goal is to win titles that mean something and beat up on publics. Go to DII or put them in a non-public league. Non-public schools that think that playing in their own league is unfair are up to something.

 

If your worried about open enrollment, public recruiting and things of this nature let the publics sort that out. CPA and schools like it should be in their own league as well so they can sort out like minded issues OR go to DII.

Edited March 18, 2012 by lbell615

[CommanderMan]

So you believe that Privates should play with Publics for State titles because of open enrollment? That makes no sense. CPA and FCS should compete for titles against each other. Open enrollment is so wide spread in the state that it has balance. What's wrong with non-public schools (that choose to not play in DII) playing in their own league? Unless their goal is to win titles that mean something and beat up on publics. Go to DII or put them in a non-public league. Non-public schools that think that playing in their own league is unfair are up to something.

 

If your worried about open enrollment, public recruiting and things of this nature let the publics sort that out. CPA and schools like it should be in their own league as well so they can sort out like minded issues OR go to DII.

 

I'm sorry for the way you feel, but I'm looking at both sides of the argument and yours doesn't hold up. Open enrollment is not so wide spread as you think. You wonder why Farragut dominates baseball, they have like 7 championships in 10 years in AAA, that's an extremely competitive classification. Maryville, Alcoa, and Greenville in football. All the Memphis schools in basketball. I personally don't care that they are open zone, but don't try to say we (privates) have an unfair advantage over them. I never said that I'm worried about open enrollment, public recruiting and things of that nature so don't try to put words in my mouth when I never said them. You say it makes no sense but then you can't back that statement up with something that's logical and well thought out. Be a little less close-minded and look at both sides of the argument. I know you won't but that's alright too. If we were to create a "Non-public" league then you would take away rivalry and tradition, not to mention that there really aren't that many D1 privates so that means we would have to travel very far and have to use money that we don't have. Then you say for us to go to DII, that would be a good idea, but we would still hear all the publics crying and whining when we take all the good athletes they have and give those athletes scholarships. There have been plenty of very good athletes from Lebanon who went to FCS or had a good chance of going there and then MBA gives them a scholarship, but you don't hear us whining so I'd rather not hear you whine. Also, D1 privates have a multiplier of 1.8 on students which jacks up our enrollment numbers.

Edited March 18, 2012 by CommanderMan

[orangecrush]

So you believe that Privates should play with Publics for State titles because of open enrollment? That makes no sense. CPA and FCS should compete for titles against each other. Open enrollment is so wide spread in the state that it has balance. What's wrong with non-public schools (that choose to not play in DII) playing in their own league? Unless their goal is to win titles that mean something and beat up on publics. Go to DII or put them in a non-public league. Non-public schools that think that playing in their own league is unfair are up to something.

 

If your worried about open enrollment, public recruiting and things of this nature let the publics sort that out. CPA and schools like it should be in their own league as well so they can sort out like minded issues OR go to DII.

Open enrollment is not wide spread. There are many counties that will not allow it, therefore, they are playing at a "disadvantage" to the public schools that are open zoned. This is an issue that is not going to be resolved and my guess is that the privates that choose to stay Div. I will continue to. Just like Maryville, Alcoa, and South Pittsburg will continue to stay open zoned, while Wilson, Smith, Trousdale and many others are not.

[Indian]

If we were to create a "Non-public" league then you would take away rivalry and tradition, not to mention that there really aren't that many D1 privates so that means we would have to travel very far and have to use money that we don't have. Then you say for us to go to DII, that would be a good idea, but we would still hear all the publics crying and whining when we take all the good athletes they have and give those athletes scholarships...Also, D1 privates have a multiplier of 1.8 on students which jacks up our enrollment numbers.

 

 

The teams could still play non-district or non-region, if each wanted and if space on the schedule was available. All privates into Division II = reasonable districts with teams near each other, plus there would be enough to have different classes where the smallest schools wouldn't be playing against an Ensworth. That has been a "boogie man" used in the past to help convince schools not to join Division II, the threat of being paired in football against a Brentwood Academy. The multiplier moved up Friendship quite a bit in basketball, didn't it..And I still think if you had a complete split with three classes that some currently non-TSSAA private schools would join. They wouldn't want to face what would be mid-sized private schools but I believe they wouldn't mind being in leagues with schools of about 100-150 in 9-12, or less.

Edited March 18, 2012 by Indian

[lbell615]

The teams could still play non-district or non-region, if each wanted and if space on the schedule was available. All privates into Division II = reasonable districts with teams near each other, plus there would be enough to have different classes where the smallest schools wouldn't be playing against an Ensworth. That has been a "boogie man" used in the past to help convince schools not to join Division II, the threat of being paired in football against a Brentwood Academy. The multiplier moved up Friendship quite a bit in basketball, didn't it..And I still think if you had a complete split with three classes that some currently non-TSSAA private schools would join. They wouldn't want to face what would be mid-sized private schools but I believe they wouldn't mind being in leagues with schools of about 100-150 in 9-12, or less.

Good post. That sounds very reasonable.

[Indian]

Here is a very quick look at what a Class AA basketball group could look like. You could also cut off potential home school lawsuits by allowing certified home school groups into Division II. There are probably more than these, these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. I don't see a reason why the private schools would be against such a grouping...don't say "financial aid", CPA would be the favorite here in boys and girls both.

 

District 1

Knoxville Ambassadors, Grace Christian Academy, Knoxville Webb, Christian Academy of Knoxville

 

District 2

Chattanooga Hamilton Heights, Chattanooga Patriots, Grace Baptist Academy, Boyd Buchanan, Silverdale Academy

 

District 3

Friendship Christian School, Middle Tennessee Heat, Lancaster, Ezell Harding, CPA, Donelson Christian

 

District 4

St Cecilia's, FRA, Davidson Academy, University School of Nashville, Clarksville Academy

 

District 5

Trinity Christian Academy, Jackson Christian, USJ, Fayette Academy, FACS

 

District 6

Immaculate Conception, Lausanne, SBEC, Harding Academy, St Mary’s, St George's

[senator]

I don't know what the anwser is but why discriminate against some private schools like Brentwood acd. and others and let some privates play public, either have a formalur for all with a step up if your private and let everyone play in same category or make them all separate. High school sports is becoming a feeder system for AAU and other organizations that is competing with educating our youth.

[bigtallguy38]

I don't know what the anwser is but why discriminate against some private schools like Brentwood acd. and others and let some privates play public, either have a formalur for all with a step up if your private and let everyone play in same category or make them all separate. High school sports is becoming a feeder system for AAU and other organizations that is competing with educating our youth.

I really feel like if you talked to the coaches around the state the "recruiting" going on is not the problem. The fact of the matter is these schools that are "private" have such an advantage with money that they have the best facilities, coaches, training that is so unfair it needs to be addressed. No coach that I know would back down from playing the best teams across the state. My kid just played for one. But my kid's coach has to worry about spending 1000 dollars on equipment and uniforms and travel whereas there is a school in Knoxville that just spent over 200,000 on a football field and they are thinking about joining our district. Go look at CPA's website and judge what's going on. I read where they went and ate at a country club just to change things up from 2008 from their pregame meal! It is what it is. The lack of funding for our public schools (which gets worse every year) compared to the open tab these CPA's, CAK's Catholic's, etc have is getting crazy. Someone or somebody has to make it right. I bet Tony Jones wishes he would have went to a D2 school to make his 1 year in high school worth it!

[CarolinaCrazy]

CommanderMan,

 

You are exactly right. I have been trying to make this point on the other CPA thread for days. Many counties have open zone/enrollment and get children from other counties at a fraction of the costs. As I mentioned on that thread, private school may not always be an option in some rural areas but a neighboring county may be and although academics might not be that much better, if at all, their athletics may be way better. For example, in baseball in the Knoxville area, why would anyone with a child who is a stud baseball player not want to play at Farragut? Or football at Maryville or Alcoa? And those out of county fees are way cheaper than a private school education.

 

But I think people put blinders on and don't want to think all the things that happen at private schools also happens in some areas at public schools. To be fair that issue would have to be addressed as well but probably won't. I think the TSSAA may address the issue because of the CPA-FCS issue this year. Too much domination by the privates for some people's likings. Especially if FCS wins state in baseball, which they have a great chance to do if they can get past Gant and Riverside!

 

I dont know how open enrollment works out West, but in the Knoxville area you can only switch schools when you are entering the 9th grade since you have not established an athletic record at any high school. But once you have entered and registered at a high school, you must have a ligitimate reason to transfer. Some of those reasons are, Change of address, divorce, efc... I mean I see guys in memphis area that play for 4 schools in 4 years? Then they cant get into college because of academics then they go to a prep school as a 19and half year old and get another year of HS Ball. Something has got to be done soon.