New T$$AA Divisions!

[confuciuschang]

confucuis say....I vote that Division 1 would be all schools who draw kids from 1 zip code(public and private)...Division 2 would be for all schools who draw kids from multiple zip codes(public and private)...somebody tell me how many schools would be in each division?

[tradertwo]

confucuis say....I vote that Division 1 would be all schools who draw kids from 1 zip code(public and private)...Division 2 would be for all schools who draw kids from multiple zip codes(public and private)...somebody tell me how many schools would be in each division?

Confucius REALLY say...what a superior man seek in himself, an inferior man seek in others. Most rural 1A schools have students from at least two or three zip codes, some from five or more due to population density. Probably wouldn't be enough schools with students from one zip to travel.

[old24eagle]

confucuis say....I vote that Division 1 would be all schools who draw kids from 1 zip code(public and private)...Division 2 would be for all schools who draw kids from multiple zip codes(public and private)...somebody tell me how many schools would be in each division?

Im all about a split and equal playing field but this makes no sense whatsoever. Where im at 1 school serves three zipcodes and there are less than 400 kids in that school. Large rural counties have multiple zipcodes and very few people.

[confuciuschang]

http://www.aboutzipcode.com/statemaps/Tennessee-zip-code-map.png

[confuciuschang]

confucuis say....If you are drawing kids from more than one zip code...you are no different than a private school!!

[crow]

LOL, really? Here in Scott County we have 2 high schools. One has 325 +/- the other is 700 +/-, Scott County has 6 zip codes and no more than 1,200 high school students. Your proposal wouldn't even work in a high population density area as there would be schools that would be in the D-2 class because a kid one block over may be in a different zip than the school is in.  I applaud your effort at making a discussion but I think this cake needs to go back in the oven a little longer.

[bigdanteague]

I had posted this on the public private debate thread but think it applies here.

We have all heard all the arguments on this topic a thousand times over.  Privates have an advantage, open zones have an advantage, charter schools have an advantage, Magnet schools have an advantage.  Its only us "1 school in the county" schools that dont have room to cheat the system. Unless of course you allow kids to cross county lines and pay a nominal fee.  This aint happening  where im from.  Just for kicks lets start with single A football semi-finalist and see how each one had an advantage over the schools they beat to get there.  Starting with Nash Chr- easy enough to spot their advantage- cut tuition for athletes and call it work study. Heck they got enough work study hours over there to run a mid-sized manufacturing plant.  Brothers learned from the master at Brentwood Academy and knows the arm  of the TSSAA can only go so far, just dot your I's and cross your T's on your paper work and they have to just shake their head and move on.  I have heard they have an Ensworth transfer on work study, so let me get this straight, you can go to Ensworth and its Free and legal, but you decide to go to nash chr work for half your tuition and pay the other half, doesnt add up to me.  Conclusion they have a definite advantage.

Now lets look at South Pitt- they are a Single A school with a 4A(marion co) and a 2a (whitwell) also in their county.  Open zone applies here.  they have beat marion Co, the 4A larger school the last 5 years by a combined score of 214 to 46.  they have beat the 2a school (whitwell) by a combined score of 310 to 60.  So which school do you think Most football players in marion co go to.  With open zoning it allows SP to pull from a much larger pool than most Single A schools.  any reasonable thinking person knows that a single A should not just pound a 4a and 2A in the same county, year after year.  Conclusion Sp has definite advantage allowed by open zoning.

Coalfield the 3rd semifinalist- once again an open zone county.  there are 4 schools in Morgan co. Wartburg (2a) oakdale (1a) and Sunbright (1A) .  over the last 4 years Coalfield which is just scant miles away from these other 3 schools has beaten Wartburg (the 2A) by a combined score of 142 to 17, beaten Oakdael 183 to 6 and sunbright 154 to 67. Coalfield has had only 1 close game in 4 years between these 4 school that are within same county and same classification or higher than Coalfield.  Once again this doesnt add up.  Would make a reasonable person think most good football players in morgan co decide to go to Coalfield.  Conclusion- Coalfield has distinct advantage by selecton from entire county for football players.

Last but not least is Union City.  These guys have the perfect setup.  Large 4a school 8 miles away allows them to keep numbers down and stay in single A but have a huge talent pool to select from.  this system cant be beat.  they actually have just figured out their advantage in the last couple of years but their set-up is so sweet,  look for them to rule single A for the foreseeable future.  while they lost to the large 4a in '10 and '11 they whipped them in 12 by a score of 40-13 and Obion (the 4A) decided they didnt want to play against their own athletes and wouldnt play them in 2013.  the setup is perfect cause union city is a city school and Obion Co is a county school , 2 diff governing boards that dont have to answer to each other.  They dont have to play fair.  So if you want a state title do you load up the 4a or the 1a.  You know the answer and it worked like a charm. Conclusion- openzoning allows them tremendous advantage especially with the population numbers in Obion Co.  Should be embarrassed if they dont win it every year.  Look for them to get bumped up to 2a when they discover its easier to win than 1a is.

So who is the bigger offender here? the private? or the openzone? not sure but the system sure needs some fixing

[MountainTroll]

 

I had posted this on the public private debate thread but think it applies here.

We have all heard all the arguments on this topic a thousand times over.  Privates have an advantage, open zones have an advantage, charter schools have an advantage, Magnet schools have an advantage.  Its only us "1 school in the county" schools that dont have room to cheat the system. Unless of course you allow kids to cross county lines and pay a nominal fee.  This aint happening  where im from.  Just for kicks lets start with single A football semi-finalist and see how each one had an advantage over the schools they beat to get there.  Starting with Nash Chr- easy enough to spot their advantage- cut tuition for athletes and call it work study. Heck they got enough work study hours over there to run a mid-sized manufacturing plant.  Brothers learned from the master at Brentwood Academy and knows the arm  of the TSSAA can only go so far, just dot your I's and cross your T's on your paper work and they have to just shake their head and move on.  I have heard they have an Ensworth transfer on work study, so let me get this straight, you can go to Ensworth and its Free and legal, but you decide to go to nash chr work for half your tuition and pay the other half, doesnt add up to me.  Conclusion they have a definite advantage.

Now lets look at South Pitt- they are a Single A school with a 4A(marion co) and a 2a (whitwell) also in their county.  Open zone applies here.  they have beat marion Co, the 4A larger school the last 5 years by a combined score of 214 to 46.  they have beat the 2a school (whitwell) by a combined score of 310 to 60.  So which school do you think Most football players in marion co go to.  With open zoning it allows SP to pull from a much larger pool than most Single A schools.  any reasonable thinking person knows that a single A should not just pound a 4a and 2A in the same county, year after year.  Conclusion Sp has definite advantage allowed by open zoning.  Don't forget about the illegals crossin' the river from Bama.

Coalfield the 3rd semifinalist- once again an open zone county.  there are 4 schools in Morgan co. Wartburg (2a) oakdale (1a) and Sunbright (1A) .  over the last 4 years Coalfield which is just scant miles away from these other 3 schools has beaten Wartburg (the 2A) by a combined score of 142 to 17, beaten Oakdael 183 to 6 and sunbright 154 to 67. Coalfield has had only 1 close game in 4 years between these 4 school that are within same county and same classification or higher than Coalfield.  Once again this doesnt add up.  Would make a reasonable person think most good football players in morgan co decide to go to Coalfield.  Conclusion- Coalfield has distinct advantage by selecton from entire county for football players.

Last but not least is Union City.  These guys have the perfect setup.  Large 4a school 8 miles away allows them to keep numbers down and stay in single A but have a huge talent pool to select from.  this system cant be beat.  they actually have just figured out their advantage in the last couple of years but their set-up is so sweet,  look for them to rule single A for the foreseeable future.  while they lost to the large 4a in '10 and '11 they whipped them in 12 by a score of 40-13 and Obion (the 4A) decided they didnt want to play against their own athletes and wouldnt play them in 2013.  the setup is perfect cause union city is a city school and Obion Co is a county school , 2 diff governing boards that dont have to answer to each other.  They dont have to play fair.  So if you want a state title do you load up the 4a or the 1a.  You know the answer and it worked like a charm. Conclusion- openzoning allows them tremendous advantage especially with the population numbers in Obion Co.  Should be embarrassed if they dont win it every year.  Look for them to get bumped up to 2a when they discover its easier to win than 1a is.

So who is the bigger offender here? the private? or the openzone? not sure but the system sure needs some fixing

 

[crow]

Changed my mind, I think I'll just watch this one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2014 by crow

[devilsden]

If your private you play in private league. If your not private, you don'tplay in the private league. K I S S - Keep'n It Simple Stupid!

 

OR

 

Play 10 games with each school sending 15% of all ticket sales to T$$AA and if you go undefeated you are state champions. If not undefeated you are

the runner-ups. Start practice the 2 weeks before Labor Day and the first game is 2 weeks after Labor Day. Finish the season mid-November just in

time for the start of basketball.

[crow]

No way on 2 weeks before Labor Day, early season is to hot now. A lot of schools already have to practice indoors or not at all due to the heat rule in early season. I think they should start the season no earlier than 2nd week of September for this very reason. As for basketball, start it later, they play indoors so weather doesn't matter to them and they already run into Christmas break and beyond anyway. A couple of weeks later wouldn't even be noticed.

[wildcat89]

I had posted this on the public private debate thread but think it applies here.

We have all heard all the arguments on this topic a thousand times over. Privates have an advantage, open zones have an advantage, charter schools have an advantage, Magnet schools have an advantage. Its only us "1 school in the county" schools that dont have room to cheat the system. Unless of course you allow kids to cross county lines and pay a nominal fee. This aint happening where im from. Just for kicks lets start with single A football semi-finalist and see how each one had an advantage over the schools they beat to get there. Starting with Nash Chr- easy enough to spot their advantage- cut tuition for athletes and call it work study. Heck they got enough work study hours over there to run a mid-sized manufacturing plant. Brothers learned from the master at Brentwood Academy and knows the arm of the TSSAA can only go so far, just dot your I's and cross your T's on your paper work and they have to just shake their head and move on. I have heard they have an Ensworth transfer on work study, so let me get this straight, you can go to Ensworth and its Free and legal, but you decide to go to nash chr work for half your tuition and pay the other half, doesnt add up to me. Conclusion they have a definite advantage.

Now lets look at South Pitt- they are a Single A school with a 4A(marion co) and a 2a (whitwell) also in their county. Open zone applies here. they have beat marion Co, the 4A larger school the last 5 years by a combined score of 214 to 46. they have beat the 2a school (whitwell) by a combined score of 310 to 60. So which school do you think Most football players in marion co go to. With open zoning it allows SP to pull from a much larger pool than most Single A schools. any reasonable thinking person knows that a single A should not just pound a 4a and 2A in the same county, year after year. Conclusion Sp has definite advantage allowed by open zoning.

Coalfield the 3rd semifinalist- once again an open zone county. there are 4 schools in Morgan co. Wartburg (2a) oakdale (1a) and Sunbright (1A) . over the last 4 years Coalfield which is just scant miles away from these other 3 schools has beaten Wartburg (the 2A) by a combined score of 142 to 17, beaten Oakdael 183 to 6 and sunbright 154 to 67. Coalfield has had only 1 close game in 4 years between these 4 school that are within same county and same classification or higher than Coalfield. Once again this doesnt add up. Would make a reasonable person think most good football players in morgan co decide to go to Coalfield. Conclusion- Coalfield has distinct advantage by selecton from entire county for football players.

Last but not least is Union City. These guys have the perfect setup. Large 4a school 8 miles away allows them to keep numbers down and stay in single A but have a huge talent pool to select from. this system cant be beat. they actually have just figured out their advantage in the last couple of years but their set-up is so sweet, look for them to rule single A for the foreseeable future. while they lost to the large 4a in '10 and '11 they whipped them in 12 by a score of 40-13 and Obion (the 4A) decided they didnt want to play against their own athletes and wouldnt play them in 2013. the setup is perfect cause union city is a city school and Obion Co is a county school , 2 diff governing boards that dont have to answer to each other. They dont have to play fair. So if you want a state title do you load up the 4a or the 1a. You know the answer and it worked like a charm. Conclusion- openzoning allows them tremendous advantage especially with the population numbers in Obion Co. Should be embarrassed if they dont win it every year. Look for them to get bumped up to 2a when they discover its easier to win than 1a is.

So who is the bigger offender here? the private? or the openzone? not sure but the system sure needs some fixing

Wayne County has three schools in it. WC 1a, Collinwood 1a and Clifton 1a. Clifton don't have a football team and very rarely do they have a kid to even play football but when they do its st WC because its closer than Cwood. WC and Cwood both have around 325 students and clifton has about 85 to 100. There's a line between WC and Cwood, not sure exactly where it is, but if you live on one side you play at Cwood and if on the other you play at WC, it's that simple.