NFHS Rule Changes

[crazzyness]

Hey, what about the 3 warnings prior to ejecting a coach. Verbal, written, restriction, another warning, then ejection? What the point?

And the people in charge are wondering why they can't get enough bodies to officiate the games. It's because crap like this.

[strongx]

IMO-another dumb pitching rule. A kid can still throw 90 pitches before moving to catcher or rf for the 2nd game of the doubleheader?

[Frid8yn9tlites]

IMO-another dumb pitching rule. A kid can still throw 90 pitches before moving to catcher or rf for the 2nd game of the doubleheader?

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Edited January 26, 2017 by Frid8yn9tlites

[ksgovols]

FYI.  The newer scoreboards have options for pitch counts on them.  Every sportings good store has a pitch clicker.  You could theoretically have pitches counted by the scorekeeper and a dedicated person from each team.  Compare after half innings to agree.

 

If you're in the habit of protecting your kids arms and watching their pitch counts, it will be 2nd nature. If you've never counted a pitch in your life and go by feel, you'll struggle for awhile.  It's not hard.

Edited January 31, 2017 by ksgovols

[tradertwo]

IMO this needed to be done. The old rule was just too much for pitchers and some coaches did abuse this. And I don't think in the higher classifications this will be an issue because a lot of schools have a varsity and a true jv team. The problem is for the mid to smaller schools who have kids regularly play varsity and jv because by the new rule the JV games count towards this as well. For sure something had to be done. The part I don't agree with is the home team being the official counter. This should be done by the field umpire and he informs the coach after each half inning how many pitches he threw that inning. The home team already is responsible for official book and there is usually no problem there but imagine if the counter is off a few pitches and the home team has a kid at the limit but the visitor says he has one more batter and your in a close district game. Just think the count needs to be kept by an umpire so if they mess up the count we are use to them making a few bad calls! just kidding for the most part umpires do a solid job. I was wondering does it say what would happen if a coach forgot his forms? I'm sure with this being new this is bound to happen. With so many games played on back to back days the pre game meeting with umpires may take a while now to sort who can and can't pitch! lol good posts guys good opinions all.

 

I think that coaches will have to adapt to the rule. Seldom do rule changes have the kids well being as the focal point...applaud the effort to protect our kids, make the adjustment and move forward. Large schools shouldn't have a problem with pitching rotations, and smaller ones will have to take into account which games matter more and plan for better pitching to be available. All this can be done...Scotts Hill won the state title in 1A while using four or five different pitchers, and a freshman on the mound in the title game. Baseball was never intended to be a one man oriented sport such as it has become anyway.

[Bulldogs2424]

This will really come into play during tournament time, especially region week. The real question will be is when does the rest day start? If you come out of the game say Monday at Noon and you have to rest for four days, does that mean you will not be able to pitch until Saturday or is a "rest day" considered a whole 24 hour period from when the pitcher exited the game. If the rest time is considered by a 24 hour period from when the pitcher exited the game, in this situation the pitcher will be able to pitch any time after Noon on Friday of that week. As we've seen in the past a lot of coaches will throw their number 1 on Monday and Friday to make it to the State Tournament. If the TSSAA also suggests the coaches check with each other every half inning, this will mean an even slower game pace to a degree. As we all know the pace of play has been a big topic of discussion recently as well.

[strongx]

Being regulated by an honor system?

[bigchief]

This will really come into play during tournament time, especially region week. The real question will be is when does the rest day start? If you come out of the game say Monday at Noon and you have to rest for four days, does that mean you will not be able to pitch until Saturday or is a "rest day" considered a whole 24 hour period from when the pitcher exited the game. If the rest time is considered by a 24 hour period from when the pitcher exited the game, in this situation the pitcher will be able to pitch any time after Noon on Friday of that week. As we've seen in the past a lot of coaches will throw their number 1 on Monday and Friday to make it to the State Tournament. If the TSSAA also suggests the coaches check with each other every half inning, this will mean an even slower game pace to a degree. As we all know the pace of play has been a big topic of discussion recently as well.

This was answered at the rules meetings. If you throw 100 pitches on Monday you cannot pitch again until Saturday. 4 Calendar days of rest not 24 hour periods. It doesn't matter if your game ends at noon on Monday you still can't throw till Saturday.

 

State tournament in lower classes will get ugly at the end of the week.

[thegreatwhite1]

If the TSSAA really cared about the health of pitchers and players, they'd start the season March 1 or earlier (i.e. GA, AL) instead of cramming 30+ games in a 7 week window.

[SuperSport]

If the TSSAA really cared about the health of pitchers and players, they'd start the season March 1 or earlier (i.e. GA, AL) instead of cramming 30+ games in a 7 week window.

Partly Correct. If they really cared, they would push the start time back to April 15, and run the season through June 15. The T$$AA says they cant control things in the summer... But what's the one thing they do control? That would be the dead period (It's in the summer). Odd to some, but many baseball coaches have pushed for this for years and have been told repeatedly that it "can't" happen. However, warmer weather would help arms, along with cutting into summer ball programs that overuse arms more than high school. 

 

We're all wishing for something that's never going to happen... for T$$AA to do anything that makes sense for any sport besides football.

[SuperSport]

NFHS's heart was in the right spot with a pitch limit, but they have made a rule for state associations to build upon that is impossible to enforce. Menees screwed this up at the TBCA rules meeting. A high school coach had to correctly explain it. If the T$$AA rep cannot explain it right, how is a 1A high school coach who coaches 3 sports going to completely understand it? Some team of 14-18 y.o. young men somewhere is going to get screwed over, either inadvertently or on purpose, by a rule with no way of enforcement and judging. It's going to come down to two coaches' words against each others' and the T$$AA is not going to have a way to solve it correctly.

[Bulldogs2424]

Partly Correct. If they really cared, they would push the start time back to April 15, and run the season through June 15. The T$$AA says they cant control things in the summer... But what's the one thing they do control? That would be the dead period (It's in the summer). Odd to some, but many baseball coaches have pushed for this for years and have been told repeatedly that it "can't" happen. However, warmer weather would help arms, along with cutting into summer ball programs that overuse arms more than high school. 

 

We're all wishing for something that's never going to happen... for T$$AA to do anything that makes sense for any sport besides football.

 

We are too far south for anybody to think about cutting into the summer ball season. Organizations like the Knights make too much money off tournaments and player fees for that to happen. It is ridiculous how many high school kids care more about their "prestigious" travel teams than the guys they play four years in high school with. Even though that would make the most sense for the development of players and keeping them healthy. It would be interesting to see how many overuse arm injuries there would be by pushing the season into the summer and eliminating part of summer ball. Summer ball has become something that no body realized it would be. High school baseball has lost some of the lore it use to have as well. Too many people care about how many offers they are getting or who is seeing them rather than trying to win a state championship. But I guess since baseball is not a big money sport they could care less.