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  1. Congrats to Brentwood players, coaches, and families. Truly dominant performance. Scary that the program will only lose one player to graduation next year.
  2. I give up. I didn't realize I this was yet another conversation about club volleyball. Kids are competing hard, giving it everything they have, this is what you train for. Congrats to all who have made it so far, good luck to everyone today.
  3. Credit where it's due: great start for Brentwood today, keeping it clean and efficient. Ravenwood has their work cut out for them. Nolensville on the court now, looking like they've been here before. Harpeth Hall warming up vs Catholic
  4. Are you just trolling now? Somehow you took "Brentwood has one of the deepest programs in the state" and hallucinated that into "Brentwood has no depth at all". So I'll try one last time, and if you choose to ignore, misunderstand, or mis-state what I'm saying, that's on you: Brentwood does not have the depth previous Brentwood teams have had. That is not meant as an insult to you, but rather as a hat-tip to those teams. As to my poor opinion of the rest of the state, maybe so. Tell me this... you beat Wilson Central to earn your state bid. How would they have done in 12-AAA? Or for that matter, 7-AAA?
  5. Hi, Apostle. Can you point me to where I said Brentwood is not deep? I'd like to take that comment back, because I actually think Brentwood is one of the deepest programs in the state. That JV team (which would beat most AAA varsity teams) will be largely unchanged next year. There is nobody on Varsity to replace, other than the setter. That group should yawn their way to another undefeated season unless a bunch of kids decide not to play high school volleyball anymore and "train". (Train for what?) What I tried to say, and thought I had, was that this year's varsity team lacks depth compared to previous Brentwood championship teams. I stand by that. You surely remember (unless you were out of state at the time) when Barb lost Garrett Joiner, the consensus TN player of the year to a knee-injury. Most teams could not have withstood that kind of setback. But Brentwood just rolled everybody anyway because it turned out she had an even better player, future Olympian Logan Eggleston. Previous Brentwood champion teams had multiple future D1 kids not only on the court, but on the bench as well,. This team has some D1-level kids, but they do not have backups for those kids. Back in July, considering individual injury histories and looking at the way-too-many games these kids play (compared to volleyball hotbed areas like California, Florida, the Midwest, etc.), I thought there was a very good chance that one or more of the key kids would not make it through the season without missing significant time. If they had lost either left side, either middle, or their setter for any amount of time, they wouldn't be where they are. Yes, Shae went down for a bit recently, and one middle was hurt for a bit mid-season, but nothing major, nothing extended. Previous Brentwood teams could have handled that, and had to. Not this one. Put it this way... if Brentwood had had the season Siegel did (health-wise), they would have had the season Siegel did (results-wise). The Ravenwood situation... You and TT seem to think this is entirely on the coach, and that she is derailing an otherwise promising high school season / program for club purposes. The pettiness and cynicism you're projecting here is breathtaking. I can't believe you actually believe what you are writing.
  6. We obviously aren't going to agree here. I think you (and those you are speaking for) have this all wrong, and you have an incredibly cynical view of these athletes and coaches. On the other hand, I think you know more than you are letting on, which means your opinion is more informed than mine. If I'm the naive one, and if your interpretation is really accurate, and these petty political jealousies are really the main driver of coaches' and players' behavior, then TN really never will catch up with TX, California, Florida, the Midwest, and other areas of the country that are ahead of us competitively.
  7. Ok, TT, let me ask my question a different way. You are trying to make the case that the coach ran off the team's best player because she was upset about said player leaving Alliance. Furthermore, everyone (the "volleyball community") knows this. If so, put yourself in the place of one of the remaining teammates. This time last week, they were probably thinking they had a real shot at getting to the state tournament. Now the best player is gone, they may not even make it out of District. The season is lost. All because of a club dispute. Wouldn't you be angry about that? Wouldn't you revolt against the coach? Most importantly, wouldn't you do everything you could to mediate and get your teammate back on the court?
  8. I'll say again: I'm shocked at how petty you're claiming this coach to be. That this is just a money thing? I'll go a step further and say I am really surprised that anyone, you included, really believes that's the driver here. On the other hand, likely you are much closer to the situation than I am. So I will ask you to step out of the perspective you've painted, and ask you to view it from the other end: do you think that the player / family bears any responsibility? Or are they (and, by extension, the teammates) simply victims here?
  9. TT: You used the word "us" there, meaning you also think this is a club-based personal thing, and I take you to be writing on behalf of the TPV point of view. So I'll pose the same question I asked earlier: what would make you think that the coach would jeopardize an entire high school season because a kid left the club she works with in the off-season? I'm shaking my head at the level of pettiness you are alleging. Let's take some perspective here. We may all think of the RW coach as an Alliance person, or a local high school coach, because that's our view, and that's the world we live in. But we are talking about someone with National-level volleyball credentials. We can have our take on what happened here based on our limited information, and based on our own Alliance vs. TPV biases. You (TT, I'm still addressing you here) warned pgd66 to be careful of being "highly respective"... did you mean respected? Respected coaches (including college coaches, High Performance Coaches, and National-Team coaches) have a lot of information on which to base their opinions of this coach. I bet even Dan would say as much. Given a dispute between her and a player / family, she's earned the benefit of the doubt. You are going to have to make a rock-solid case otherwise, if you want convince anyone outside of your gym.
  10. That's awfully petty. Does anyone really believe this? I'd love to hear someone make the case. In what way did the HS coach change her treatment of the player? It seems (based on stats and watching them a few times) that the player was the central focus of everything that team was about.
  11. Didn't at all see that coming. Hope the kids that remain can rally. Still a lot of depth there.
  12. Quit? Or is she hurt? If she's the kid I think you mean, that's inconceivable. Not that I have any reason to doubt you, it's just stupefying... she was everything to them, getting all the sets, having a great year, ready for another set of All State honors and all that.
  13. unapproved website stats seem to suggest they are missing the coach's kid last few games.
  14. Just looked at pools. They seem imbalanced to me, particularly pool C. a very good team is going to be left out of gold. I think Siegel is healthier than they have been, but I still think they are missing some kids. TT can comment on Brentwood, but the box score suggests they rolled out a full squad vs. Indy. Also says they hit .423, so if they aren't 100 percent, I can't imagine what that would look like.
  15. Ouch, Page got killed by Ravenwood. Also, Siegel took down Cookeville in 4. The real teams are starting to separate themselves.
  16. Rockstar, I saw Franklin at one of the play days, and I agree, there isn't much there. I was still surprised they were winning games, but figured that was a combination of an easy schedule and some smoke and mirrors. They dropped another to Summit the other day, so maybe they're back to reality. In fact, the whole district is down, same with 7. Made the point in the other thread (and I still believe it) that Brentwood isn't Brentwood-As-Usual this year, but maybe they / you don't have to be.
  17. I'm surprised, partly because I had (have still) high expectations of Siegel, though the injury bug runs strong in that program right now. But I am also surprised because I saw Blackman a number of times during the preseason in multiple contexts, and while impressed with their potential, was surprised at how many errors they were making. Dumb errors, not physical ones, but sometimes those are harder to fix. Good for them. 2019 could be a real shakeup year.
  18. TT, good luck in Knoxville this weekend. (Anybody else here playing... ? Same wishes to you.) How did it go with Harpeth Hall yesterday? Big, dangerous team, they'll make noise in the private school bracket, but I imagine you had an easy time.
  19. Heard you swept, but that's all. How did it go? How many walking boots were on their bench?
  20. If TPV really was against whatever this person is doing, they should be clear about that. Otherwise, they get to reap the benefits of that person agitating on their behalf, getting kids in their gym and keeping the bills paid, without having to own the reality that this does, indeed, undermine local high school programs. "We aren't suggesting kids skip high school seasons, it's That Guy!" Plausible deniability again, just like with their Rick Butler relationship. Play the card when it suits you, but disavow it when it doesn't. Savvy.
  21. This got dark. So you are saying that the Puppetmaster (Wizard) is suggesting kids skip high school seasons and train with TPV instead, but she is not officially (or at least publicly) affiliated with the club?
  22. Pressure is: "If you don't skip your high school season and train in our gym, you will fall behind and someone else is going to take your spot next year." I don't think anyone is suggesting this is happening. But this is subtle pressure as well: "So, are you playing for your high school team this fall?" Those conversations happened. As a result, some number of kids (even for some of the top high school programs in the area) are skipping out on their high school seasons in order to "train". I'll say again: simply asking the question means that there is an acceptable answer other than "Yes, I am playing for my high school team." No kid, no parent should have to defend that choice. @SummaryJudgment ... you have confused me. You say that you know who is making kids skip their high school seasons in order to train with TPV, and that this person isn't a TPV person. This makes no sense to me. Who has that kind of influence on these kids and their families? In the one case I know about (and summarized above), the conversation was initiated by TPV.
  23. You and I saw the same Blackman team. I actually think pretty highly of both pins, and they have a halfway decent setter. They should be better than they are, but they're trying to hit home runs on every serve and every attack. You don't win in high school that way. On skipping high school and doing TPV training instead... We agree that is a dumb move. There is more to volleyball than training. I'm having a hard time believing that TPV management is against it, though. A very good friend whose daughter is a key cog on a potential state caliber team told me she was asked what her plans were: was she is going to play for her high school, or do that TPV fall training? If I were a lawyer, I would say there is plausible deniability in the phrasing of the question. You could defensibly say TPV is not "endorsing" kids skipping the high school season and training in their gym instead. However, simply asking that question would make me, as a TPV player or parent, consider that maybe there is an answer other than "I am going to help my high school compete for state." I'm really, really surprised a Brentwood player would do that.
  24. Saw a little bit of a lot teams at A-Game this weekend. Siegel may make a liar out of me after all... 3 kids in boots on the bench, their superstar setter just got out of hers, and one other potential starter is supposed to get checked out this week and could miss the season. I did not see the Libero we were talking about earlier, and couldn't get a straight answer from anyone as to why. "She's not playing high school" was all. Nobody seemed too bothered by it, their backup is a decent player. Libero is the least of their worries. Was not expecting to be impressed with Stewart's Creek, but I was. Did any of you see them? They might make it out of that district after all... Blackman wasn't as crisp as I expected. Nolensville looked really good, They'll be in the AA mix. But they were also missing 2 or 3 kids. One of their parents told me those players are not playing high school, and instead will play in the TPV fall league or some such. These are state-championship caliber teams, and kids are skipping their high school seasons in order to "train" (yes they used the air quotes). Somebody please explain this mentality to me. I get it if you are a National-team caliber player, and playing high school would present a safety issue to you, teammates, or opponents. But this is not that.
  25. Thanks. Congrats to you guys on a great start. I know Houston returns a lot of size and production from last year, but I am still surprised they were able to take a set off you guys. Was Barb playing some of the younger kids?
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