State Dual Results And Updates

[mrfixalot49]

The officiating went pretty well I thought. I did see some calls that were questionable against our team and others. So it went both ways.  But thats wrestling, right?  These guys aren't perfect and I sure don't want their jobs and don't think I could do any better.

[gobobcatd]

22 minutes ago, texas23 said:

The comments on the officiating are inconsistent.   

just as is the officiating

[wrestler04]

Thet do need to stop the rotation during the dual.  Pick one head ref, an assistant and an observer and stick with that all 14 matches.

[MemphisTiger14]

1 hour ago, Twofdr said:

Since you popped up....can I ask if you find “stalling” to be the toughest call to make?

I understand scrambles on the edge can really be a close call....but it seems “stalling” is always so obvious to the fans that want it called.

I would love to hear your thought process when reffing, and trying to decide when the bottom man is stalling vs when he is simply being overpowered by the man on top.

Thanks, if you have the time.

Let the record show that I'm not an official, and this is just my opinion. However, I think there are numerous things (not just the match and dual scores) to be considered before stalling is called. For example, if you are considering hitting a bottom man for stalling you first have to be sure that the top man is not technically stalling. If the top man has been riding an ankle or sitting on the bottom man's hips, I would say that the top man is stalling. If the bottom man is making an effort to clear ties and get to a score-able position (like a sit out or stand up), but is consistently overpowered by the top man, then I would find it hard to hit the bottom man for stalling.

Stalling on bottom to me is when the wrestler never even makes an attempt to bring his hips up off of the mat, and that instead of clearing ties they are simply holding onto hands or balling up in a base. These indicate passivity to me. 

Edited February 5, 2018 by MemphisTiger14

[fooseball95]

I want to give some respect to Science Hill who showed great sportsmanship after the championship match. Y’all have nothing to hang your head about. Y’all have a great team and it was awesome to share the stage with y’all. U guys will bounce back

[Sommers]

13 hours ago, udahman said:

I also can not count how many times wrestlers were free or scored takedowns when even their opponent thought it was an escape or takedown that the refs just started back where it began    terrible reffing in my opinion 

Put on the stripes.... I have and now totally respect those that stay in shape, gets in position to make the right call, and is always on top of the rules.

Kudos to all that do that

Soms

Edited February 5, 2018 by Sommers

[reftn]

14 hours ago, thepaintrain said:

Easy there. 

This is Tennessee, we are resigned to the fact of inconsistency, and differing rule interpretations. 

Hate the way they rotate. The match got called three different ways. Could you imagine how frustrating it would be for a pitcher to have a different umpire every batter. Pitchers adjust to the umps zone. Wrestlers do the same thing. 

I would agree with this.

 

[ObserverW]

17 hours ago, Sommers said:

Put on the stripes.... I have and now totally respect those that stay in shape, gets in position to make the right call, and is always on top of the rules.

Kudos to all that do that

Soms

Stay in shape and get in position to make the right call?  You obviously have not been to a match in a while!  These are the two biggest complaints I hear about officials.  

[Sommers]

2 hours ago, ObserverW said:

Stay in shape and get in position to make the right call?  You obviously have not been to a match in a while!  These are the two biggest complaints I hear about officials.  

I get disappointed at times. The Cleveland Duals was most impressive except a questionable call or two, but that was an all day event and the finest in the state officiating the best wrestlers. Lots of pressure in front of lots of eyeballs.

At the next level just the other day, UTC's match was affected due to passive officiating. Huge loss by 2.

Inserting one's self, being in the spot light, deciding the outcome can be most discouraging; but to allow wrestlers to consistently back, stall, flatten out and no effort to improve position, flee the mat, wrestle the edge of the mat in order to hang close & clearly avoid losing points, and ultimately upset one by one taking the entire match... Not good!

Ouch

More on that: 

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/feb/05/utc-wrestlers-lose-two-home-appalachistate/462903/

Edited February 6, 2018 by Sommers

[gobobcatd]

10 minutes ago, Sommers said:

I get disappointed at times. The Cleveland Duals was most impressive except a questionable call or two, but that was an all day event and the finest in the state officiating the best wrestlers. Lots of pressure in front of lots of eyeballs.

At the next level just the other day, UTC's match was affected due to passive officiating. Huge loss by 2.

Inserting one's self, being in the spot light, deciding the outcome can be most discouraging; but to allow wrestlers to consistently back, stall, flatten out and no effort to improve position, flee the mat, wrestle the edge of the mat in order to hang close & clearly avoid losing points, and ultimately upset one by one taking the entire match... Not good!

Ouch

More on that: 

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sports/college/story/2018/feb/05/utc-wrestlers-lose-two-home-appalachistate/462903/

 Oh how do I agree with you, and to watch that happen after all the hours and hard work and sacrifices  by these young men is not good for the ole ticker.  And to see excitement on the face of the kid who fished out and the feeling of failure to the kid who was out there to wrestle hurts even more.  but in the end it is ultimately the referees fault for allowing it to happen. I understand it being strategy to hang on and not get pinned in certain situations, but to do nothing and be rewarded for it is hard to watch.