YOUTHCOACH16
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1 hour ago, noonesfool said:
Congratulations Coach16, I was a doubter.
I appreciate it. We had some kids with very little wrestling experience step up big time. We had to get very creative with our lineup / weight to get favorable matchups. Even then we knew it would probably come down to the coin toss to even have a chance. Luckily they had new guys in those weights as well and we were able to get two final overtime victories. Lakeway won a match we had pinned them the week before and narrowed another down from a pin to a last second decision so they gained points there big time. It was a barnburner for sure.
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On 2/6/2023 at 5:04 PM, Bump11 said:
Haha I literally flipped a coin on them. Halls was my initial pick, should've stuck with it. I didnt post it but i also picked Boyd to beat Lakeway. Did not pick Cleveland girls though. Took Rossview.
Thx for picking Boyd. I wish you had told me before the match. Maybe I would have had more confidence, I wasn't even sure we could beat them ,lol.
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There were exciting matches on every mat. Great tournament .
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I am looking for a 170 lb High Schooler to compete with Team Tn this weekend in Kingsport in a dual tournament. The wrestler we had unfortunately got injured yesterday and we need to fill it quickly. This would be a great opportunity for someone to get some mat time against top notch competition before the season starts.
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Don Barnett or Darrell Lauderdale would be the only ones that possibly have the info. Before using track brackets were done by hand in most cases.
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This should be a good one. With it being the only one on this side of the state . I think a lot of Georgia kids will be coming too along with a lot of middle school kids.
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Two of the best ever!!! Prayers to their families and former wrestlers
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Wow! I'm not sure who gave these summary's but its pretty clear based on the verbage used in these rankings. . Normally I wouldn't post something regarding my Buccaneer Wrestling Club on a public forum but given the passive aggressive nature and the underlining theme these summary's are trying to imply I feel the need to clarify some truths that whomever posted these rankings is trying to avoid. To imply that my Buccaneer team won because of out of state wrestlers is the most asinine and idiotic statement that I have ever heard. My kids won last year and the year before and 6 out of 8 years before that because they outwork everyone and we have great coaches and parents. Let me give some real facts since there is no way to clarify the statements made on the pintn site. Below are the results from last years state tournament.
Bucs 506
Hammer 365.5
Wildcats 347
Knox Elite 288
Higher Calling 285
Wave 280
This was a pretty large amount of points scored and margin of victory for a tournament with 93 teams.I'm pretty positive it doesn't come close to the points scored with my old Red Raider club though.
Now to address the statements made that implied we won because of out of state wrestlers. First when you make untrue statements like that you belittle the effort and hard work my kids have put in and if you truly believe your statements then you aren't being honest with yourself and simply making excuses.
My club resides in Chattanooga which has had the most out of state wrestlers of any region by far. Something like 35% of the wrestlers in our region were from out of state clubs. If we didn't have out of state wrestlers in our region my club would have qualified even more kids for the state tournament thus increasing our chance for more points scored. I think I had 1 kid from Ga on my club that scored 1 point the entire tournament. That's correct... out of 506 pts scored my lone out of state kid scored 1 point contrary to your statements that " we dodged a bullet "by out of state kids being grandfathered in . I suggest you do some research before posting statements like you did. Here is the reality . There is no team in the state adversely affected by out of state wrestlers as mine. We reside in the region with the most out of state wrestlers thus making it harder for us to qualify for the state. I didn't look up the exact number but we had something like 25 state place winners. If there weren't out of state wrestlers from other clubs across the state many of my kids would have placed even higher and won more state titles and blew the 506 points out of the water. I know some of the Hammer , Wave and Higher calling studs from out of state knocked my kids down lower. I have never whined or complained about it. I tell my kids and parents to work harder and in the long run this will only help them.
So why do I continually support out of state wrestlers even though my club is probably the most adversely affected in the entire state? I do it because despite whatever past success my clubs have had I truly want my kids to become better as individuals regardless of team score., I want our entire state to improve bett and this is done through more quality participants plain and simple. So if allowing 100 out of state border residents to compete in our state hurts my kids placement I'm fine with it because I want my kids to get better by wrestling tougher competition.
As far as this years rankings go the results this year will more than likely;y be different. This is probably the biggest rebuilding year Ive ever had and some of the teams that finished below us are returning a lot of wrestlers and have been working hard. Look for Higher Calling to make a big move up the rankings along with Wave and Wildcats all battling for the top spot. Knox Elite and Hammer will both be in the mix as well.
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On 8/21/2018 at 11:44 AM, ObserverW said:
Several talented kids here but I think Durdon is chugging the Kool Aid. There have been many talented wrestlers come out of middle school and as CBG stated, circumstances dictated less success. Some of these young men will be very successful but I think you are setting some up for premature failure with unrealistic expectations and hype. Time will tell. Please save this post and revisit in February.
Ive been involved with youth wrestling for a long time and I find the opposite to be true. There are always late bloomers or new comers who make an impact on the high school scene but its been my experience that the extremely talented and accomplished middle school kids continue to do so. These kids and parents have vested a lot of time over the years and the ones that have risen to he top have done so because they love the sport and that usually doesn't change when they get to high school. To be honest the kids that have traveled the middle school national circuit have wrestled tougher competition than they will in their Tssaa state tournament unless they come in at one of the middle weights or higher. The Aau state tournament has upwards of 1000 kids , 14 mats , no public / private split or classification. Its 140+ teams battling it out for 1 single champion. These kids aren't going to feel any undue pressure in my opinion as they are used to it. You can go back and look at the Aau middle school Team Tennessee from years past and those same kids are the ones winning multiple titles in high school for the most part
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On 8/21/2018 at 3:15 PM, FargoStrut said:
Arent Cannedy and Mason going to Greeneville and why no love for these 2 kids? Is it bc they are both relatively new to the TNAAU/ TSSAA scene??
They are both extremely talented and among the best without question. I wasn't sure where they were going to school either or if they were Tennessee residents. They will be on the podium without a doubt in February
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On 8/18/2018 at 7:17 AM, durdon said:
Historically, this would be true but not with these freshman that are coming up this year. Theses are not kids that been just wrestling and winning here in TNAAU league but kids that have been traveling and winning out on the National Middle School circuit which is now crazy hard and competitive. These kids are all ready for TSSAA and everyone of them will be on the podium And most will make the finals. Last year we had a handful of TN kids who had been on the national circuit and everyone made podium and most won it. This is our first big group and they are going to shake up the state tournament this year.
Bond, Mcafee and Roller will all be on the podium with Darylrimple at 106 in private school and this will make the 106 weight in private school the most competitive it has been in years for any division.
Ivey will meet Mcdaniel in big school state finals at 106 and that will be a match to watch as it will be 2 of the best 106’s that we have ever had in big school state finals.
Uhrochuk’s little brother should win 106 small school easy even though he will be way undersized.
I left Easton off my list by mistake but if he makes 113 he will meet Bates in the state private school finals and that will be a match to watch.
If Shires makes 113 for big school he will win it. If not he will make the podium at 120.
Mike said both of the Payne’s are not wrestling this year but both would be on the podium in private school if they were.
All 3 of Pigeon Forges incoming freshman, josh Parton(who I left off by mistake) Foreman and Dalon will most likely win state in small school this year and both Forman and Dalon are at middleweights but they are that good.
The younger Bowers will make the podium at 26.
I left Dendy off my list too which was a major oversight but Garrison will be in the mix at 38 in Private School. He has a chance to win it as a freshman.
The other two kids to watch are Ashton Davis and David Harper. They are the 2 most accomplished freshman big men probably ever in TN history but their weights are extremely difficult for freshman. If Davis cracks the Cleveland lineup he will make the podium and Harper has a shot by the end of the year to make the finals.
Very spot on Scott. This is hands down the most talented group of kids to ever enter high school in Tennessee and its not even close. 106 will be the toughest that weight has ever been.
A few others I think are going into 9th grade ( but could still be ms kids) are:
Justin Bradford
Steven Fisak
Caleb Wolfe
Tetoe Boyd
All of these will be great high school wrestlers
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Calvin Eason will also be at Father Ryan and is a beast.
Baylor will also have Garrison Dendy who is also a national level wrestler.
The Paynes at Boyd will be in middle school and not on the high school team.
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Good luck, its a great experience
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4 hours ago, FargoStrut said:
I "blindly" trust you. Wish we had a Matrix to verify.
Ill try to get it turned on. Coach Lauderdale set it up on track but unfortunately his mother passed away and he has been having to handle all of the arrangements. Last time I looked there were 170 kids signed up for the beginners.
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On 12/29/2017 at 8:26 PM, Hamblin said:
I think we have already forgotten why we started the beginner events after 1200pm last season, and maybe even why they were instituted to begin with. I will have a number of kids miss this event because the parents won't put their wrestling before their church.
They will hold out for Mt. Juliet in hopes they don't cancel their beginner event.
I started the beginner tournaments and certainly haven't forgotten why I did so. In fact that's why we are holding a beginners state tournament so these young wrestlers can experience a big event geared just to them as opposed to the way most beginner tournaments are ran. Unfortunately in our sport we are limited by the availability of venues large enough to host events such as these. We have to schedule around basketball, Tssaa events, etcc. This is why we are wrestling on Sunday morning. I hope your little guys can attend but if they chose not to I certainly understand and respect their decision.
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23 hours ago, little87 said:
So are still going to run the beginners in the morning?
yes, that's the plan unless otherwise notified
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Unfortunately, its going to affect someone no matter who wrestles first. We toyed with the idea of running the two Sunday tournaments at the same time but some clubs will need their smaller beginners to fill their dual lineups so a lot of these kids will wrestle in both tournaments. We will knock it out as fast as possible and hopefully be done with both tournaments by 6:00 pm
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We will have all the details ironed out in the next 3-4 days. The beginners will be on Sunday morning on all mats. We will be able to knock it out quickly in one session on that many mats, The Club state duals will begin following the beginners state, roughly around 11:30-12:00. We will run straight thru on the duals and tentatively be done around 6:00. More details will be posted later in the week.
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Sorry Scott, I just saw this. Im so busy with work and my club team I haven't had time to post results. You pretty much nailed it though. This was a k-8th grade tournament with 25 teams. We had a last minute cancelation at 1 weight, Coach Laxtons son Arlo was injured and we felt it just wasn't worth risking further injury for him to continue to compete. One kid didn't make weight. We were able to pick up a fill in for one of the slots from another teams backups, he wrestled his heart out for us but we missed a lot of potential points there.
We started out strong and won our pool going 4-0 with a 69-15 win of Battlezone Grey (ohio), 74-16 win over Indiana Outlaws, a 66-28 win over Omp Gold (Pa), and then we closed out the pool with a 46-30 win over undefeated Team Virginia. This put us in the Gold bracket against the other 5 pool winners. We felt we had a chance to beat Battlezone Black (oh) if we adjusted the lineup . I asked the affected kids what they wanted to do and they all agreed to insert our wrestler who didn't make his original weight and bump up from there. The move paid off and we won 42-24 to put us at 5-0 and ensure a top 4 finish out of 25 teams. I was extremely proud of the kids that decided to put their personal records aside and bump up a eight for their teammates. Its one thing to do it in Tennessee competition but a whole other matter to do it in national level competition. I don't have the exact scores of our next matches but we lost to 3 teams from Nj and Pa. With our full lineup we would have had a good chance of beating Nj but probably still not enough at this point to have beaten the Pa teams that finished 1-2.
When I first started coaching our state teams 12-13 years ago we were getting shut out against the Pa,Nj Oh, Ia teams. We would lose to Va, In, Mi teams by 20 + points. Now we are beating a lot of them and don't get embarrassed by anyone anymore. We will next travel to the VAC in Virgnia Beach Dec 8-10. This is the premier duals event in the country with 40+ mats going at once.
Our top Individual results were :
Braden Ivy 8-0 ( and even bumped up a weight and beat a beast in O.T )
Sam Herring 7-1 ( Beat 3 kids who had beaten him previously)
Garrett Foreman 7-1 ( had several beautiful throws that pumped up the team)
Calvin Eason 6-2 ( As slick and exciting to watch as any kid ive ever been around)
David Dixon 6-2 ( just started to come into his own and will be a force in Hs )
Joseph Uhorchuk 6-2 ( One of our younger kids who just doesn't stop wrestling )
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19 hours ago, facenthecrowd said:
Congrat's to BB. I am sure it was a great experience for those wrestlers and their fans.
You are right about Coach Sutherland. He is great coaching the young wrestlers and all you have to do is look at all of the wrestlers that have come through his programs and how they have done in High School. He would be an excellent High School coach giving the opportunity.
Did McCallie wrestle all of their studs? I keep reading about how they have all of these young wrestlers entering McCallie or are they in High School? Please advise.
Coach Sutherland, congrat's.
Thank you ,but I had little to do with it. Coach Shane Turner is coaching both the Middle school and high school right now. Rabbit Turner, Jason Villers and myself do the youth program. A lot of the Ms kids do both school and club Aau with us but as far as any success the ms team has , that's all coach Turner.
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27 minutes ago, durdon said:
No excuses at all, i was just answering facethecrowds question of where all the McCallie studs were and whether you like the answer or not McCallie simply does not build their HS roster from their MS program. Whether that is a good strategy or not can be debated but it’s the truth. McCallie MS lost to Nashville Catholic team 73-6 today.. and in 2 years McCallie will have a better HS program than they have today.. even without a MS pipeline.
As for Boyd, it is incredibly impressive what is going on there. The influence that Sutherland is having on steering kids into that program and the job he is doing coaching them is incredibly impressive. Couple that with the new wrestling facility they are building with the fact that i think they now have one of the top HS coaches in the state, they are a program that is about to become a force in D2.
I appreciate the kind words Scott but I am only a tiny piece of the puzzle of what we want to accomplish. We are very fortunate to have Rabbit Turner and Jason Villers also leading our youth program. Then the kids will move up to Shane Turner not only for their school careers but off-season freestyle as well. Ive been in a lot of rooms over the years and Shane is among the very best at developing high school kids and helping them reach their full potential. You guys have a bright future over at McCallie with your group of young studs.
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Renieche and Kramer national champs!! Evans got caught in the third in a tied match and ended up as runner up . Noah Evans finished 5th. Cooper Flynn won the ms championship with ivy getting 4th and Uhorchuk and Meade finishing 5th . Several others like Salter and Horst wrestled extremely well and were close to placing !! Great job guys !!
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Not pretending that I have the answers or the solution.
A couple of items to consider:
- TN has as many NCAA qualifiers as Finland this year. We have not produced a NCAA All-American since 2008. In my opinion, TN has regressed since the early 2000s. (Leen,Marable,Keller,Simpson,Ward,Yost,..ect) Are we sure our youth system that is currently in place is actually doing its job? The primary goal should be to increase the number of kids that are exposed to the sport and develop lifelong wrestlers. A secondary goal is to provide the structure to turn kids into national caliber wrestlers. I don’t mean 1-2 kids.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/53013-ncaa-s-by-the-numbers#.WMBIqE0rKzc
- To quote ghouse: “ I really can't see any huge differences between NUWAY and AAU from a wrestling perspective… perhaps where the money goes but I haven't really dug into that.â€
This is a huge difference!
To be clear, I am not part of TENWAY, AAU, or USA wrestling, but I was told that NUWAY state organizations return almost 100% of the profit to the state. A gentleman from a NUWAY state(MI) once told me that every college team in his state gets a 20k check at the end of the year from NUWAY. They even used NUWAY money to start two new college teams. The money is used to support out-of-state travel for middle and HS teams. Is it true? I don’t know, but I think it would be worth looking into. I believe that USA wrestling takes money from youth tournaments around the country and uses it to fund college regional training centers. Why should the Ohio State RTC get money from TN youth tournaments? I think TN should take the Trump approach and worry about its kids first.
I think we all have a lot to learn before we dismiss a new organization.
Jimmy
Let me address and answer a few of the things you were "told" and a few of your assumptions.
Im not sure how long its been since you have attended the Aau state or if you ever have but its quite the event. Its held at the same facility as the Tssaa state on 12 mats because we have grown so large not many other venues can hold us.
As far as the system not working and producing upper level college wrestlers I think you need to know the facts. 1st. ur current system we have in place hasn't been around long enough for you to see major College results. Kids such as Debien, Kramer, Sutherland, Chalifoux , Murphy, Russo, Parker and others wrestling in college only had a few years of Aau once the entire state came under one umbrella and they are now freshmen and sophomores in College. You mentioned some of our all time greats in comparison but you aren't looking at the fathers/coaches they had in place and support to make them better. I can assure you none of those kids got to the level they were at wrestling in any of the local youth leagues that existed when they were youth wrestlers. They had to travel all over the country to get any competition. Ive been fortunate to coach all of our youth elementary national teams and a few middle school teams since we joined up with the Aau from Chattanooga and I can assure you 100% without a doubt the youth wrestling in Tennessee is hands down 10x better than its ever been. We were a joke when I first started taking teams to the national tournaments to be honest and now we are in the top 10 every year at the national duals and have placed as high as 5th. The last 3-4 years the only teams that have beaten us are top 3 teams in the country. Both Iowa and Pennsylvania's coaches came up to me last year and told me they used to love seeing Tennessee in their pool or bracket but not anymore. They are amazed at how we have improved in such a short time with such a small wrestling base. We have 20 + kids right now in Tennessee that place in every national tournament they go to. Even back in the heyday of the kids you mentioned that wasn't happening. The new crop of kids coming out of high school have gone through our complete cycle. Kids such as Boykin, Evans, Knox Fuller,Landers, Renieche ect..Ask people who actually have experienced it and see what they tell you. Look at what our kids are doing on the national level in high school. Back in the "heyday" we were lucky if 1-2 kids could place in the national tournaments.
In the old days we had numerous organizations governing youth wrestling in the state and you were lucky if the best kids ever even wrestled one time per year. We implemented a tour of Tennessee with each region hosting a Top 100 tournament each year with those tournaments accumulating points to go towards end of the year awards and a belt winner for each age group. Now with everyone under one umbrella and all the best kids wrestling each other 3 times in the Top 100's and regions and states the best kids are all wrestling each other 4-5 times per year. In addition to this we also hold an all star state duals where each region picks and all star team and wrestles the other regions in state dual tournament. Here again we have the best kids wrestling each other .
As far as money goes Im glad you explained what you "were told "so we can highlight our strongest point with facts. The #1 reason we went with Aau and not another organization is because of the cost effectiveness and bang for the buck for the parents. First off Aau is a non profit organization and Nuway is not. They can tell you whatever they want to but the fact of the matter is they can do whatever they want with the money they raise. Our money goes back into the kids plain and simple. Ill let Lauderdale give specifics but just think about your comment about Nuway giving 20,000 to every college team in Michigan. That's a lot of money that the parents shelled out if they are actually giving that much money every year.I cant fathom having that much money in our budget and don't see how its possible unless Nuway is giving money away they collected from all the other Nuway states to support Michigan wrestling. An Aau card is 14$ for the wrestler and coaches. With that we get 10x the insurance Nuway and usa offer. Our tournaments are way less expensive to enter and the money stays within our state organization and teams in our state . It costs $25 for a team to join Aau and they get 10,000,000 in liability insurance, compare that to Nuway and Usa. They also get a coaches pass, meal ticket for the state and a free website to use among other things. Wrestling is expensive for parents and especially those that are trying to pursue a higher level of competition. I can assure you they appreciate not paying 2-3x the amount they would with other organizations.Coaches appreciate not paying as much and our teams appreciate being able to get the majority of the money they earn at tournaments and what does go back to the state is used 100% on our own kids. All this financial information is available for anyone that wants to attend their regional Aau meeting unlike non tax exempt organizations that can do whatever they want with the money. Darrell will give a breakdown of our state tournament and where all the revenue goes in a follow up post. Maybe it will open peoples eyes who really don't understand what it takes to put on an event of that magnitude and how all the local clubs profit from it that volunteer to help.
Now in reference to your last comment ," I think TN should take the Trump approach and worry about its kids first ". If none of my facts above show you that we are worried about our kids and only our kids then I don't know what else to tell you. Our money goes to our host teams and what goes back to the state organization is used for our kids and nothing else. We chose the most cost effective route for our parents and coaches. Our tournaments cost less, our league costs less and with more benefits and our insurance coverage for wrestlers, coaches, teams, and host schools is undeniably better. This is all public information and can be seen by anyone that wants to see it. Several of us have been approached multiple times by other organizations and we took the high road and did whats best for our state and our wrestling families as opposed to going with another organization that we could have benefitted from personally.
In closing... back to your post about kids not producing like the ones you mentioned. If we have more kids wrestling now than ever. We have more kids winning and placing in the elite national level youth tournaments than ever. We have our national teams doing hands down better than teams of the past where is the disconnect happening? If there truly is a disconnect I would look to the middle school leagues and our high school system. We have three divisions in high school and a lot of the best kids don't wrestle each other anymore. In Aau there is one division with over 123 teams all competing against each other multiple times per year. a clear example would be in the Chattanooga area we have a Tssaa governed middle school league that is very restrictive. Our kids grow up wrestling 40-50 matches per year against the best kids in the state and then all of a sudden they get into middle school and they get 12 matches against pretty poor competition to be honest. Then those same kids go to high school and maybe they are in the small school division or wrestle for a public school whose coach wont wrestle outside his division. Now they go through high school without competing against the best in the state. No truer example of this can be found than in the Aau state duals I referenced earlier. Chattanooga's elementary age teams k-5th grade have won every state duals tournament and have never lost a single match in 7 years. Those same kids a few years later are routinely getting beaten in the middle school state duals due to the fact that they have gone through 3 years of middle school wrestling in their Tssaa middle school league getting 10-12 matches a year. While the areas that don't wrestle in the Tssaa controlled middle school leagues and continue to wrestle through the AAU instead get 4-50 matches a year against the best and they pass up the kids you have been forced to revert backwards by restrictive rules. So the last thing we need to do is have another organization come in and split our state and revert back to what it took 20 years to get rid of.
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Ive had some texts and emails from Nashville and Knoxville as well. We don't draw a lot of the Usa kids so it wont affect our numbers.
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Great Synopsis.
I think Simpson won the Pan Ams. It appears he was balancing military duties while wrestling internationally.
Bill Harlow was a 3x national champ / world team member placing 2nd in the 1970 world championships.
Clearly Marabale and Harlow are our most decorated Tennessens on the international scene.