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I agree, especially as it relates to enforcing the rules. Inconsistent and ignorant are at a minimum the best description I can give. I have had numerous players taken down from behind with slide tackle........never a card........the rules state that a red card should be given. Very few referees are ever held accountable. I am a proponent of allowing coaches to complete an assessment report on the referees performance in a match. Very few referees treat the players and or the coaches with a basic level of respect, let alone the rules of the game. Referees are indeed changing the nature of the game with their ignorance and apathy. The good ole boys are running off good young referees that have experience in the game. Wise up guys. You are the reason that more young people do not ref games.

How old are you? Do you play? Who for? Some of your lists are a tad biased and are definitely inaccurate.

Seems to be a natural bias in your top 100 TN players to Centennial. You are leaving out several talented and recruited players.

It was good to see him try a "slide by". He's now working on another takedown. A single leg snatch will not get him beyond state champion.....I'm amazed he's gotten this far with it. His strength will be matched at some point and he'll need more technique. As for now, enjoy the ride.

No doubt that D1 is more difficult. There were kids placing that were dominated by guys that didn't even place in the D1 tournament. It tightens up a bit when you look at the Top placers in D2.....a few would do fine, however very few.

Reveiz should be in there. He is a better wrestler than Coffee. Coffee knows one thing. Single snatch although I did see he's working on a slide by.......power half and let them up when he can't turn them. Correction, he wrestled Father Ryan in the finals and yes he went awkwardly to his back .......... but did you see him stay there? No he is a hoss. Reveiz would either pin him or win in 3 by say a score of 6 - 3. Kelly Felix is the real deal. Even though he didn't tech or pin the kid from SD on Friday.....he wrestled at one speed in the first two rounds and then went maniacal in the third. SD didn't know what hit him. He almost TF'd in the first round of the finals. He's amazing and a Junior.

Is there another sport that is any more messed up right now in how post season competition is structured. It was tough seeing some of these kids lose an opportunity to advance knowing they worked harder and were better than some that are advancing in other regions. There has to be a better option than a random 4th place. At least let the kids resolve it on the mat. The realignment has eliminated at least 12 very good wrestlers that would have normally gone to state if not more......it's also allowing more weaker wrestlers to go that would have never made through the consolation rounds. They may want to adjust the schedules, there will be a lot of short matches.

First match listed is the Consolation Finals TSSAA Region 7 State Qualifier Glencliff High School 2/10-11/2006 Finals Weight: 103 Chris Soboun Antioch Dec Britney Burns McGavock (Nashville), 9-7OT Luis Aguilar East Literature (Nashville) M-Dec Andrew Reed Martin Luther King, 12-4 Weight: 112 Nick Steiner Glencliff Fall Antonio Lillard Hunter's Lane, 309 Weight: 119 Eric Rucker Antioch Dec Corey Jones East Literature (Nashville), 8-7 OT Tony Corley Hunter's Lane Dec Clifford Lett Stratford (Nashville), 9-5 Weight: 125 Son Nguyen East Literature (Nashville) Fall Richard Jolley Maplewood (Nashville), 225 Austin Haynes Stratford (Nashville) M-Dec Beyar Yahya McGavock (Nashville), 9-1 Weight: 130 Seth Jones Maplewood (Nashville) Dec Josh Field East Literature (Nashville), 6-4OT Brad McCallister McGavock (Nashville) Dec Brian Shook Tennessee School for the Blind/Donelson, 7-4 Weight: 135 Thomas Holman McGavock (Nashville) T-Fall Nick Simon East Literature (Nashville), 600 Kerry Dowell Hunter's Lane Fall Scott Osatile Antioch, 4:47 Weight: 140 Darnell Booker Antioch Fall Dodger Clemons Hume Fogg, 314 Shawn Garrett East Literature (Nashville) M-Dec Delon Eckles McGavock (Nashville), 12-4 Weight: 145 John Haynes Stratford (Nashville) M-Dec Stephen Gentuso Tennessee School for the Blind/Donelson, 22-10 Taylor Fortune Martin Luther King Fall Havar Abdullah McGavock (Nashville), 116 Weight: 152 Terry Pegram Glencliff Dec Charles Pillow Hunter's Lane, 6-5 Brandon Quick Antioch Dec Nick Burnley Martin Luther King, 6-3 Weight: 160 Drew Lambert Martin Luther King Fall E.J. Smith Hunter's Lane, 433 Daniel Hardin McGavock (Nashville) T-Fall Matt McClure Glencliff, 5:44 Weight: 171 Jessie Watkins Martin Luther King T-Fall Michael Pack McGavock (Nashville), 435 Monterrace Reams Glencliff Fall Rhees Oakes Tennessee School for the Blind/Donelson, 141 Weight: 189 Shaun Rhodes Antioch Fall Samuel Hopper Maplewood (Nashville), 459 Anthony Clemons Glencliff Fall Chris Robinson Hunter's Lane, 323 Weight: 215 Hervie Clemons Hume Fogg Fall Dylan Jones Antioch, 325 Hakar Yahya McGavock (Nashville) Dec James (JEB) Stuart Martin Luther King, 7-2 Weight: 275 Leobardo Rucker Glencliff Dec Jaymz Shields East Literature (Nashville), 4-2 Cory Hamilton Hunter's Lane Fall Brandon Morris Antioch, 302

The first match listed is the consolation Finals. TSSAA Region 6 State Qualifier Brentwood High School 2/10-11/2006 Finals Weight: 103 Stephen Cau Centennial M-Dec Josh Overmyer Brentwood, 20-9 Talon Noman Overton M-Dec Chase Beazley Independence, 17-5 Weight: 112 Renas Zebari Hillwood Fall Eric Hancock Overton, 2:33 Sean Ford Ravenwood Fall Ben Ennis Hillsboro, 5:34 Weight: 119 Danny Pappas Ravenwood Fall Cagg Cabell Overton, 0:55 Dustin Ortiz Franklin Fall Jeremy Carter Franklin Road Academy, 2:10 Weight: 125 Chase Sanders Brentwood Fall Ben Thompson Lipscomb, 4:04 Joseph Pair Page Dec Stuart Cope Centennial, 6-3 Weight: 130 Alex Rochelle Lipscomb Fall Cameron Patterson Hillsboro, 1:27 Ty Zarbo Franklin Dec Jacob Creighton Page, 6-2 Weight: 135 R.J. Rayborn Overton Fall Adam Gregg Hillwood, 4:17 Ryan Konz Franklin T-Fall Jesse Murphy Franklin Road Academy, 17-1 Weight: 140 Grant Geasley Page Dec Rijar Emin Overton, 10-6 Kellen Holliman Brentwood Def Mason Caples Hillsboro Weight: 145 Spencer Cope Centennial Dec Daniel White Overton, 13-7 Kelly Felix Franklin T-Fall Richey Ward Ravenwood, 26-11 Weight: 152 Andrew Hedges Hillwood Dec Colt Kittell Overton, 7-3 Jonathan Brown Brentwood Dec Jonathan Heacock Franklin, 7-3 Weight: 160 Seth Jones Brentwood Dec Shawn Godwin Ravenwood, 5-4 Ben Heacock Franklin Dec Brandon Vanderloop Hillsboro, 5-3 Weight: 171 Bert Herring Franklin Road Academy Fall Matt Reese Brentwood, 3:44 Carter McPhee Franklin Dec Ian Haggard Ravenwood, 8-4 Weight: 189 Kevin Cox Centennial Fall Cory Konz Franklin, 2:59 Austin Marcum Franklin Road Academy Dec Chris Wolfe Ravenwood, 7-5 Weight: 215 Thomas Berry Independence Dec Ben Cross Franklin, 13-6 Stephen Ball Franklin Road Academy Dec Chad Parker Page, 7-4 Weight: 275 Josh Winters Page Fall Tucker Cathey Franklin, 2:59 Brandon Swinney Overton Dec Mark Moore Hillwood, 3-1

Come on now.....three years ago? The air isn't that thin up on the hill! Try this year (2005).

I have read it all. More importantly I understand firsthand what creates what. I can differentiate what the offensive wrestler is creating/causing and what the defensive wrestler is doing.....which is very little unless the wing is in "loose"..... Reftn blew it in his commentary....go back and read it. Again, respect starts when one can admit they are wrong. Likeachimp171, try not to be so defensive.

reftn, Regarding your earlier response to my example.....see the following in the rule book. Rule 7 Section 2, Article 1-page 36 .......if the offensive wrestler causes a potentially dangerous hold to become illegal, the offender shall be penalized according to the penalty chart........ Rule 7 Section 2, Article 2 (a list of potent. dang. holds) (includes a chicken wing) Now see the photos page 74, #81 (illegal chicken wing) page 76, #92 and 93 (legal wings, but potentially dangerous) Hope this helps you.

reftn, As long as they are doing one the other should be happening..........an illegal "anything" that is not seen is due to either lack of knowlege or being out of position to view the critical elements of the hold. I am just stating some facts and attempting to address observations and assumptions being made with regard to why a coach communicates with an official. The rules are augmented by illustrations in the back of the book. I have respect for many officials, but especially those that are honest enough to admit a mistake and or those that are respectful of the wrestlers and the coaches. Regular observation, assessment, and feedback are proven methods of enhancing performance at an individual level or even at a group level. It is a very real issue and unfortunate for the ones that work hard at being the best they can be.......both the officials and the wrestlers.