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  1. I thought of 2 additions to the Tennessee and Georgia lists......both were described to me as people to step on the mat with if you wanted to test your manhood. Tennessee - 285 Scott Wells Georgia - 285 Jeff Saturday
  2. I'm on my first cup of coffee. I dunno....but maybe Charlie Heard at the top and guys like Peter Yates.....Chip Ness.....Daniel Bullard.....Matt Pitts.....Joey Lazor......Sean Russell......Ryan Millhof.....Taylor Lujan missed a shot to AA because of COVID. Maybe I'll come up with more after another cup of coffee.
  3. cbg...You are correct. We had a team ranked #7....lost to Blair Academy by 3...........initial budget in the early years was $40k and I think at the peak of the run the budget was probably double that. We built a large booster club that included parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, elementary, and middle school parents. One fundraiser we did that was new to me was a "Patrons Walk." The wrestlers would wear their team shirt and go into the neighborhoods around the school hand out the schedule for the upcoming year and ask for donations. The simple walk brought in $3K - $5K per year. Heck the coach even had me email Mr. Jones and ask for a donation....which he replied he didn't donate to private schools. I introduced myself at the Cleveland Duals and let him know we were a public school. He asked if he and his son could meet Kyle Maynard and I left that to Coach Ramos. I have no idea if we ever received a donation.
  4. Money helps.........it allows for the travel.....lots of money to put 2 teams up in hotels and pay airfare to go to places like Kansas City or Powerade final 4. I said 2 teams because we'd take the varsity and JV to the Cleveland and the State Duals. But.....it doesn't help if the team isn't competitive. It's kids and parents buying in starting a elementary school. Wanting to be part of the something bigger....building a tradition. I can tell you from experience that someone can't just step in and keep a program on top. As Knox did when he wrestled for Dublin. Georgia.......he's a competitor and something special. It's hard to put a program on top.......harder to keep it there.
  5. Man....I go away for a day and you guys getting all feisty on here...... Can we have a quad the next few years with Cleveland and Baylor......versus my poor old Georgia schools....Camden County and Buford........ (and yes....I know Buford isn't poor......my kid went there....so don't get all fired up over that)
  6. Can we pencil in Bill Harlow for 174.......what's 3 pounds.....he is from Sewanee, Tennessee.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Harlow_(wrestler) Edit.....I feel stupid now.....I don't how I missed him at 197...... Edit #2......ok.....so we slide Harlow to 174....since he was at 177.......and put my old high school buddy in at 197........he was at 190.....4 time SoCon champ Pat Murphy. (I know.....I know...I'm still stupid)
  7. Dang.....I'd hate to hear you guys if you had 7 classifications like your neighbors to the South.....
  8. Great post! I think some parents don't set the expectation level for their youth kids and want instant success and turn kids off early. Start slow and set goals......year 1 get mat time and learn the rules, year 2 stop getting pinned and try to win 1 match, year 3 maybe make it to kids state.....etc. Don't burn your kid out.....maybe 10 tournaments a year for years 4 and 5. For HS coaches......keep the non-starters involved......find a 9th grade or JV tournament to get those kids in. Recruit coaches from other sports to help get those non-starters mat time. The more kids you can get in the room...the better for everyone in that room. Fundraise for travel.......we did a Patrons Walk were wrestlers would get in groups of 4 or 5 and walk around their neighborhoods and collect donations and hand out wrestling schedules. People were usually happy to see the wrestlers and very generous. (also a tax deduction is your booster club is a 501(c)3) I know I'm preaching to the choir.
  9. Maybe it does come down to population......Georgia's got a bunch of people.....well...too many, but that's another story. I remember as a kid we didn't take Georgia wrestling too seriously...from a Tennessee point of view. That all seemed to change with the growth of the state and the migration of workers and their families....seems like many were from AT&T....from Pennsylvania and New Jersey in the 80's. You got guys like Bud Hennebaul move in and show people what wrestling is supposed to look like. Now we've got some stellar programs with Camden and Buford headlining it and many other solid programs. For extra training I used to take my kid and usually 2 or 3 others from Collins Hill with me over to Arturo at TWC in Smyrna, Ga two days a week. That was a drive from Gwinnett county during rush hour. Now we've got TWC (Arturo), TWA (Mike Rundell), Teknique Wrestling (Peter Yates, Daniel Bullard, Tyler Askey) and I'm sure many other sites I don't know about . Just seems with the influx of people came different attitudes and changed wrestling here for the better. Now if we could just get Georgia Tech to restart their wrestling program......by the way Tech is upside down in Title IX numbers and needs to add men's sports. I was with a group offering to fully fund a program there but the old AD turned us down. And Japan has more people than Tennessee....just saying....
  10. cbg....you're my hero.....you're like a walking encyclopedia of Tennessee wrestling. Brought back memories of the old summer freestyle sessions at UTC.
  11. Here's an aged article on the topic of multiple classes: https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/13237 I have never liked the fact the Georgia now has 7 classifications.
  12. RMC

    Ben Smith

    I'll put my 2 cents in here......having been part of a fairly successful program and also having a nephew state champion at Baylor. From what I remember, the nephew's financial aid was reduced over time and by the time he was senior there was none. For a successful program, either build a strong middle school program, recruit one, or make one kids want to be a part of it. It was tough to do here, in Georgia, because there aren't many middle school teams and none I know of in the metro Atlanta area. We had to do through USA Wrestling. The second step I was tasked with was to get them used to traveling and staying in hotels. I will always appreciate Greg Foreman allowing me to put a team together to bring to a tournament in Pigeon Forge. I'll also never forget getting snowed in and being the only guests in the Econo Lodge......and that call letting me know that the entire team was naked in the in-door pool....ah the good old days. Kids had a great time and I think some of the Tennessee kids enjoyed seeing how they stacked up against some Tulsa National placers. Guess my point is......with a good feeder the high school part will fall into place. Once we got rolling kids wanted to come for the opportunity to travel to big out of state tournaments like: Cleveland Duals (Tn), Kansas City Stampede (Mo), Tiger Classic - Chapel Hill (NC), The Clash (Mn), Powerade Invitational (Pa), Powerade Final 4 (Pa) The school had a no permissive transfer rule and if you wanted to come you had to move into the school district.....in one kid's case only 2 miles.
  13. The kid wrestled in the NCAA finals with 2 torn ACLs a couple of years ago......but couldn't make it to the consos.
  14. I know I post most recently about Georgia teams.....well...cause that's where I am, but I've been around wrestling since my brother started wrestling in 1969 at Hixson. I've seen many great teams, but as was discussed in another thread like this years ago, one of the best teams I have ever seen was the 1973 Hixson team coached by a young Gordon Connell. I'm guessing for most on this forum weren't even born yet, but Randy Batten was on that team and he did ok at UTC. Other names I remember: the Walden brothers Stan and Marvin, Smith brothers Gary and Dean (Dean also did well at UTC), Steve Griffith, Danny Emery, Dennis Donovan (went to West Point), Stan Eller, Wayne Bratcher, and Tracey Cooke. I probably missed a few other names. One of my older brothers was also on that team, but was in and out of the lineup as he won and lost challenge matches to Dennis Donovan. A note about Dean Smith, mentioned above, and persistence. He lost every single match in the 8th grade. He talked his parents into getting a mat for the home. He was a state champion in 1973. It also made his little brother Gary a handful on the mat. I missed wrestling a lot of wrestling during the 1980's while in the military. So I probably missed some other really good teams. My nephew's, Andrew Woodward, 2002 Baylor team was fairly stout too.
  15. Ok......I know, I know.....it's Georgia.....but I'll take 2010 Collins Hill up against anyone.....well....except Blair Academy Cleveland Duals that year: Cleveland Duals (TN) Site: Cleveland H.S. (TN) Team Placing:1 Hoover (Won 68 - 6) McCallie (Won 56 - 9) Brentwood Academy (Won 80 - 0) Christian Brothers (Won 53 - 13) Father Ryan (Won 62 - 6) Toshiba Midwest Classic (now the KC Stampede) Site: Kansas City (MO) Team Placing:1 State Duals Site: Macon Coliseum Jonson-Savannah (Won 84 - 0) Centennial (Won 58 - 11) Valdosta (Won 60 - 6) Pope (Won 38 - 9) Final Four Duals (PA) Site: Easton High School (PA) Long Branch (Won 27 - 25) Blair Academy (Lost 33 - 30) Benton (Won 54 - 25) Easton (Won 45 - 12) 2010- Traditional State Drew Ferguson 103 1st Place Bazell Partridge 112 1st Place TJ Mitchell 125 1st Place Joel Smith 145 1st Place Mac Bennett 189 1st Place CJ Collins 215 1st Place Allen Willard 140 3rd Place Thomas Delain 285 3rd Place Jaime Hertica 152 4th Place Josehph Doyague 119 5th Place Devante Brown 135 5th Place Nick Hobert 171 5th Place
  16. Of note for UTC wrestling fans... fairly certain Max Hennebaul is the nephew of Bud Hennebaul
  17. Nice to see 4 Georgia teams in the top 10!
  18. I was glad to see Buford sneak in there at #5.
  19. I see where Baylor finished 3rd.....usually a pretty tough tournament: https://owrestle.com/kansas-city-stampede-boys-dec-16-17-2022/
  20. Couple of those team were in the Southern Slam last week (Results are available in Trackwrestling)......wish Buford would come up for this. I used to really enjoy it. I am coming up for the Iowa - UTC match......guess there will be a huge crowd!
  21. Related, but I guess unrelated since it's Georgia.......for Georgia the classification is based on students that are inside the school's attendance zone and those that aren't are multiplied by 3. Article on classifications: https://www.ajc.com/sports/high-school-sports-blog/ghsa-reclassification-here-is-where-all-478-schools-fall-and-why/7WA743RSBBB5FBS56HP6FLZE6M/
  22. Who did he wrestle from out of state? Can't believe this old thread got resurrected.........but back in the day....Collins Hill wrestled Powerade Final 4 (only lost to Blair by 3), Blair, Brandon, Easton, The Clash, won Toshiba/Stampede Kansas City tourney 5 or more times... And after reading my old comments....Peter Yates probably best Georgia wrestler ever....or maybe Charlie Heard....Chip Ness did ok too. Yates only high school loss was to Garrison Goins (4-timer) in double overtime of the state finals his freshman year....he also won Beast of the East. Found this from the archives: Event: Final Four Duals (PA) Date: 1/23/2010 TBA Site: Easton High School (PA) Collins Hill vs: Long Branch (Won 27 - 25) Blair Academy (Lost 33 - 30) Benton (Won 54 - 25) Easton (Won 45 - 12)
  23. If I'm wrong, I'll blame my daughter as she said he posted on his Instagram. From what I understand, Logan Ashton from Buford, Ga and Stanford is transferring to UTC with 3 years of eligibility remaining. Logan was a 2 time Georgia State champ and 2 time runner up. If my memory serves me correctly, both his losses in the finals were to 4-timer Caden McCrary who is now wrestling at North Carolina. He was a NCAA qualifier this year...won his pigtail and then lost to #1 seed Suriano of Michigan and then 3-1 to #16 seed Hildebrandt of Penn State. Pre Stanford bio: (borrowed from Stanford's web site) A 2019 graduate of Buford High School in Buford, Ga. Four-year letterwinner, captained his team all four seasons 2017 and 2018 Georgia 5A Traditional and Team Duals State Champions 2016 and 2019 Georgia 5A Traditional and Team Duals State runner-up Two-time Georgia state champion and four-time finalist 2019 NHSCA Senior national champion 3-time NHSCA All-American 2019 Wrestling USA Magazine All-American 2019 Mount Mat Madness champion 2018 Flo Nationals All-American 2018 Kansas City Stampede champion Two-time Gwinnett Daily Post Super 6 Four-time Gwinnett Daily Post all-county first team 188-11 overall record with 131 career pins 2019 NHSCA Academic All-American Member of the National Honor Society (2018)
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