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Correct...and by the same token, if they step the penalty off from behind the line of scrimmage, somebody has to get a lost-yardage run/reception to the point of enforcement. I usually would charge it as team lost yardage, like a kneel-out, rather than giving it to the individual since he didn't do anything wrong.

No Disrepect Guys, But It would have been One and Done for the Panthers anyway. There is no possible way they would win their playoff game. This isn't basketball where David routinely beats Goliath. This rendition of the Bartlett football Panthers isn't a REAL playoff caliber team. I have a feeling that sooner before later that Coach Armbruster will have his Panthers to the point that the Playoffs is a routine destination.

I won't dispute that this year's Bartlett team wouldn't have been likely to advance, but it's not out of the question.

But tio say that this team wasn't a real playoff caliber team is *preposterous*. On the field, they were the #3 team in the region and beat the #2 head to head. Millington was out of everybody's league this year, that's fine. But only Bolton played Millington closer in the region than Bartlett did.

It's bad enough for Bolton to be punished because they self-reported unknowingly playing an ineligible player rather than sitting on the knowledge for a couple more weeks and just forfeiting after the fact.

But for Bartlett to get left out of the playoffs because of a *BOLTON* issue...that's just unbelievable.

Perhaps a better title of this thread would be "Ineligible Bolton player costs Bartlett football team".

Regardless of the decision that is made today...

A win in the courtroom should not count equally as a win on the field. I like the NCAA system where they simply vacate the victories rather than change them to losses.

It's beyond absurd for Bartlett to be punished because of a violation by a school other than Bartlett.

Spartansfan, I would argue that it's not that easy to be pumped up for game 10 when you know there's a game 11. I know when I was in high school, I would have been looking ahead to the playoffs already. Add what pbert said about resting starters, etc., and it's worse.

What a shame. God bless his family through this. Just took my son and another boy up there on a invite. We stood on the sidelines during warm ups. Remember looking at his name on his jersey. They played Jacksonville State OVC team took them apart. What is the world coming too. Memphis scares me for mine now. God Bless the Bradford family and Tigers. Find the ###### and shoot him. What a waste of good life.

His family was in town for tomorrow night's game already...I just can't imagine what this must be like for them...

Sad as it is, this stuff happens everywhere -- an Ole Miss athlete was murdered this weekend also, but you don't hear Oxford mentioned as a dangerous place.

Just goes to show, you have to be vigilant anywhere and everywhere.

You guys are like me in being in the minority. Even thought Bonds may be a jerk, he a top 5 of all time player and to deny that you are missing out on something great. McGwire help revive baseball when it was dead. Ankiel has single handley brought the Cards back into the playoff race this year. All 3 have been linked to performance enhancing drugs, none have ever tested positive for anything.

 

I was just curious because I am afraid most people will overlook the Ankiel case and still claim Bonds record is tainted and that isn't right.

Dangit...*SOMEBODY* has to disagree for me to be in the minority...

What do you guys think about your feel good story now that these allegations have surfaced?

 

I know many of you have criticized Bonds and what he has done or hasn't done. Will you do the same to Ankiel or will you overlook this like you did McGwire in 98?

I'll be in the minority view on this...I don't care. I didn't care about what McGwire did (it wasn't steroids in 1998 -- andro is not a steroid. It's similar, but it's not the same). I don't care what Bonds did (and I'm less convinced than seemingly anyone else that he actually did anything illegal, but that's a different story).

It wasn't against the rules of baseball at the time in any of the three cases.

My question is this...why is baseball the only sport that gets this kind of microscope? When the heck is anyone ever going to look at the NFL? Bonds would be considered undersized at more than half the positions on a football field...and at a couple of positions, he'd be considered as much as 150 pounds too light.

Bonds gained 25 pounds over 15 years and got slow...NFL players gain 25 pounds in one summer and get faster...and it's the *baseball* players that get accused of having a bigger drug problem?

That is true. Just don't see it happening without Carp though. I just know that I love Wainwright. In 08, once they get all settled in, Carp, Mulder, and he will be a tough 1-3 in the rotation, especially in the NL. Maroth will be a legitimate 4 or 5 too. If Reyes or Wells could ever figure out how to throw at the major league level on a consistent basis, they would have a good rotation next year.

Now Carp's out for next year too.

As for Reyes, IMO it's an issue of Duncan trying too hard to "fix" him, which has killed his confidence, his command and his stuff. He can throw at the major league level. He showed that last year. He can't throw the way Duncan wants him to.

Duncan seems to be dogmatic now that the only way to succeed in the majors is to be a soft-tossing nibbler throwing a two-seam fastball at the knees all game. Reyes can't do that -- his arm action sets up all wrong for it. He throws a four-seam fastball high and a devastating changeup at the knees. They had him rework his delivery to get on top of the ball more, and he can't control his fastball that well and it totally blows his ability to throw his changeup for strikes.

QUOTE(Pantherbert @ May 26 2007 - 10:37 AM) 826467477[/snapback]It was great to have met you. You probably don't remember me but my dad and I were probably two of the last people leaving Reese Smith Field when you were. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

 

Hope you hade a safe trip to Alabama.

Don't kid yourself...I'm sure Limbaugh remembers you as the one raising all the ruckus during, well, all the Bartlett wins. /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Hey, I LIKED the 18-7 final...

From a proud alum,

Congratulations, Panthers!

I wish I could have made it this year to see it in person, but work just wouldn't really allow it.

It's pretty special to run the table for the postseason. Great work, let's do it again sometime. Next year maybe? /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

Not that this changes anything, but I do not believe he was still in school when this happened.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199325,00.html

 

That article is dated June 13th

You're right...memory was off about a month. He wasn't in violation of that after all.

One more thing, can't believe I didn't think of this earlier...

All colleges and universities distribute some form of a student-athlete handbook with the rules and regulations the S-A needs to know both from the NCAA and from the school. Participation on one of the teams -- becoming a representative of the university -- requires that you follow the handbook.

And in every single one of them, whether it's a university-wide rule or just an athletics department rule, drinking alcohol (at all) is forbidden.

This happened before he finished school, so he was still on a scholarship that required him to follow the handbook.

Granted, this is not enforced all that harshly, but the responsible thing to do is to honor your contracts.

He didnt choose it, his jump shot just brought all that stuff his way.

He chose it by signing to go to a high-profile university. Or, heck, any university -- a DUI makes news if it's a college athlete, regardless of the sport or level.

Nobody forced him to accept a college basketball scholarship. Nobody forced him to go to the NBA. He's not turning away the money from the choices he's made. But one of the consequences is the microscope.

he will always be more succressful than you, so yes ... his personal affairs dont matter, its what he puts on the court. and the intoxication limit just means that it isnt safe for you to drive, because your reactions are impaired ... it doesnt mean you are DRUNK .. i would say at .03 over, he had a buzz. and what i meant about cops and famous people ... is that soon as that cop saw that it was a man whose face is on television, he knew it was a good deal. how did that story get out? ... how did the whole nation know he got pulled over? ... they were paid to release it.

Redick is a more "succressful" basketball player than I will ever be, that's fine. However, there's more to life than how well you can ball. There's more to being "succressful" than how many commas are in your salary.

It is illegal to drive with a buzz, then.

How did the story get out? It's public record. If you got pulled over for DUI, it'd run in the police blotter of your local paper. If I did, I would be on the police blotter of mine. Nobody got paid to release a public record, the police are LEGALLY REQUIRED to release public records.

How did it get out? Every news outlet worth its salt has people monitoring police scanners 24/7/365. So they knew there was a DUI and roughly how it happened -- they probably got the name over the scanner too.

Tommy from Nissan in Smyrna goes out after work and drinks one night. His BAC is .11. Do we ever hear about it? No. Does anyone care about it? No. But sense it JJ Redick, everyone jumps on the guys case. There are athletes doing a lot worse than drinking and driving, but yet he gets bashed for something so simple?

Redick chose to be a public figure. He chose to have the level of income, and attention, afforded a top-flight athlete.

Redick is hardly the only athlete I bash for his crimes. He's just the one that's the subject tonight.

.. Ok .. So let me get this straight, a man kills someone while drunk and doesnt serve a day in jail and then gets caught again but we dont rag on him? We rag on the man who went out and had one too many to drink and got pulled over? Makes perfect sense to me. JJ didnt harm anyone, but LL killed someone. Lets continue to rag on JJ, I think I sense some jealousy.

I have dogged Leonard Little. Including on this thread. Including, in fact, the post you just replied to. He did serve 90 days in jail, but he got off light. And in case you're wondering...no, I'm not a Leonard Little fan.

BTW, all-knowing SD...is .19 drunk? Just curious.

Redick didn't harm anybody...this time. He did put lives in danger. If you decided to play russian roulette right now, you might not harm anybody...this time. But eventually, you'd get to the bullet. Redick was lucky he had a blank, so to speak. Hopefully he doesn't ever do it again.

wow somebody needs some sleep. im sorry, that i dont care to spend my time reading some huge story about JJ's personal life, and then get on here and bash him, judge, say hes a bad person, say duke is just terrible ... dont know what your definition of "hammered" is ... i just stated my opinion that .11 isnt hammered and how cops are with famous people .. im sure he was paid a lot of money to release that info too. AND JJ CAN STILL BALL SO I DONT REALLY CARE THAT HE WENT OUT ONE NIGHT AND DROVE NOT DRUNK BUT ABOVE THE LEGAL INTOXICATION LIMIT FOR DRIVING ... it might have been hard to tell what his percentage was without a breathalizer in his pocket.

How can you be naive enough to say he wasn't drunk?

Here's a free clue. If he's over the, as you put it, "LEGAL INTOXICATION LIMIT FOR DRIVING," he's drunk. Like VG said, if he did a U-Turn to get away from the police roadblock, you can be pretty sure he knew he shouldn't be driving.

Also, since you know everything there is to know, being a wise high school graduate and all, please help me here. How exactly did the cops know it was a famous person that hung the U-turn right in front of them? Does North Carolina have Famous People tags like we have, I don't know, university tags?

But yes, it doesn't matter what he does, he can ball. Nothing else matters at all. And nothing ever will. Right?

.. I am informed on the topic. Im a huge JJ fan. Ill admit he was in the wrong, but everyone blew it way out of proportion.

Obviously you're a huge fan, it's blinded you to the reality. It is *NOT* blown out of proportion.

I'm a huge St. Louis Rams fan. In 1998, one of their defensive linemen (former Tennessee linebacker Leonard Little) -- not even a guy who drank often, by all accounts -- got very drunk at his birthday party...on the way home, he ran a red light and killed somebody. Then in 2004, 2 years after he gets off probation, he gets busted for DUI again.

No big deal, everybody drinks, right?

The idea is to not kill people. Especially when it's not necessary.

Why should we waste our time and read it when your going to fill us all in on it and tell us that we were wrong, since you were there and everything.

Yes, because you'll always have someone else to do your work for you. And yes, it's a waste of time to be informed about something you're willing to argue about. Complete waste of time.

Keep on thinking that in life.

.. So .11 qualifies everyone as hammered, no matter what?

Simple question here. If your BAC is .11, are you legally sober enough to operate a motor vehicle?

Hammered, drunk, wasted, smashed, whatever you want to call it, I don't care. He was not within the legal limit, and he was not CLOSE to the legal limit.

yeah, i was too lazy/tired to read the story ..

There's a shocker.

Because simply reading the headline and one paragraph makes you an expert on what's going on.

Typical sign of the way this country is headed. Your opinion will matter a lot more if you make it apparent that you have a freaking clue what you're opining about.

.. So pulling a U-turn to avoid a police roadblock qualifies someone as hammered? You dont know if the JJ was drunk or just had a buzz, no one knows what he was feeling but himself.

If he wasn't drunk, how did he blow a .11 on the breathalyzer after the whole arrest process was done?

No, a U-turn doesn't make him hammered. But a U-turn to avoid a police checkpoint WILL get you pulled over.

ok well still ... he was .11 .. the legal limit is .08 .... if you do the math that is .03 over ... that is NOT hammered. and im sure that cop was sitting outside of that bar (or where ever he was) just waiting for him to come out so he could pull him over and breathalize him. thats just how it is if your name is known nationwide

1) It was .11 when he was booked in jail...which means it was probably a bit higher than that when he was actually pulled over. They didn't just randomly come to .08 as the legal limit, either. At .08, you are not legally sober enough to drive. He was probably around 50% past that when he was pulled over -- actually, when he did a U-turn to try to get away from the police checkpoint. That's hammered enough.

2) The cops were running a DUI checkpoint in a metro area of about a million people. Yeah, they were just looking for Redick.