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What is AMAZING is how these fliers reached the hands of "non-zoned" students in mass enough quantity to cause trouble??? I have to STRONGLY disagree that "the powers that be" brought all of this on. CM has been involved in other situations which SHE brought on due to poor decision making, therefore placing herself in the spotlight of the TSSAA watchdogs. When you are in a position of power (teacher, coach, administrator) you have to CONSTANTLY be mindful of the rules, and whether or not your actions can be easily misconstrued into the breaking of said rules. I personally find this "open house" thing a questionable judgement call for whoever planned it and those that went along, I have never heard of any such thing. I always thought that the games WERE the open house in themselves, kids that are zoned to Riverdale who play sports will get their open house when they reach high school. What need is there to convince young players who are already supposed "Future Lady Warriors" that Riverdale is great and good when they are going to be going there anyways due to zoning? That whole thing sounds like a joke to me, bad idea, face it. Riverdale man you made a good point, but it only further implicates, if the kid doesn't want to play basketball they aren't going to have an interest in seeing the locker room, training room, or any other room having to do with sports. This implies that those interested were saught out by the coaches etc, which is the problem here. Maybe it would have been different had ALL of the zoned middle school TEAMS been invited to a particular game( This I have heard of). Evidently it was more individualized than that, hence the infraction. Honestly waaay back when I was in junior high, I wanted to play basketball for my high school already, seeing the locker room or not wouldn't have changed that because I already wanted to play... On the other hand, it is too bad that the players under this umbrella of leadership will suffer based on not one, but several bad judgement calls. Best of luck to the team in the future. Remember, CHARACTER is what you do when no one is watching..... /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

You can believe that things have gone FARTHER than south with Warren county girls team. The board should have perked up a LONG time ago when petitions and such were passed around. The coach's(if you can call her a coach) record speaks for itself. I KNOW for FACT that things are REDICULOUS in this program and I look forward to the day that this woman and her entourage is OUSTED! /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" I am not a parent, or a player, my playing days are long past, I am an outsider with the inside track and I would never have played for this woman. /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" Pioneerparent: I hope your young player gets the coach she deserves.

um...yeah. I was on that team...and I can tell ya that at least half of us had shin splints before we even started practicing. We had to run that thing like everyday for the two weeks leading up to the race in town...it stunk..I woulda much rather been doin some wind sprints or somethin

well...that's pretty much the scenario since he's been there he has had girls from some of the better teams the feeder programs have had...

keep her, she's dang good!

I am going to have to agree with eyeonyou here, I definately think good coaches can harvest mental toughness in their players, I don't necessarily know if you could say, have a team meeting to teach it, but I think it can be instilled, either by coaches, parents, maybe other players, or other outside people or events. I also think #12fan makes a very valid point. The power of the mind can be big. I have known of many coaches who have tried to make their players understand, and successfully, that your body can do much much more than you think it can, you just have to be able to cross that threshold when your body says "no more", or when you are tired, you have to be able to over ride that, the bad part is the way that most coaches teach this is not too pretty( those ten extra sprints after you think you can't do more) but that's just the way it has to be done, mental toughness breeds physical toughness, therefore like eyeonyou said getting more out of less talent. Great topic

Too many coaches try to promote one player as the team...instead of the way you mentioned...You are exactly right tough

That all seems very well put together, I only have two points in reply to that post. 1: Not all of the players you mentioned even played at the next level, if you contend that by working and shooting on your own makes you better than your teammates it would seem to me that at least of the 7 players you mentioned, all would have played some type of college basketball, that strikes me as quite an oddity. granted extra time makes you better, but why didn't it make all of these girls more talented enough to play at the next level?? 2: From Bates to K. Thompson you cover about a ten year span, how is it that you are so confident that only 7 players out of ten years worth of teams went to the gym on their own? Were you with all members of the team at all times for ten years?? I will agree that not a single "whole team" went the extra mile like our 93 girls did. finally what exactly is it that CC gave you a start in? I'm lost ***Truly I am editing this post because I've decided it pretty much doesn't matter, for the most part we are going to have to agree to disagree, you obviously have a strong opinion about this, and so do I, so let's keep it cool and everything, I enjoyed the discussion, and feel free to reply to the above any way you wish, but I don't want this to turn ugly( like I read over in the Guys forum, thats a shame), I respect everybody's opinion, even if I don't like it. Enjoy watching post season play, thanks for supporting Coffee!

I'd say your not the only one who wants that to happen.. 14Pioneers you are right there are very few coaches who are real difference makers, Scroggins ain't one of them.

That's uncalled for.

YES INDEED bear1, I seem to recall him not nominating his players a FEW TIMES...that's a darn shame, and people wonder why he gets no respect....HE GIVES NONE!

Exaclty dontusee, so our high school team isn't any good because of their middle school programs?? Didn't Elam play under Joel Vincent at Westwood? He won many many games, and turned out some of Coffee's better players, although some were from County as well. You said it right Fuzby, they have been physically dominated or they haven't developed the needed skills, but who's job is it to teach them what they need to do? Isn't that why we pay coaches?? just because they may be "behind" does that mean a coaches responsibility to teach them is over? And also if I recalled when Elam and Page's class entered high school a few of them saw some pretty good minutes for freshmen, so to say that they are coming in unprepared to become good players is rediculous. It's called PASSING THE BUCK. The thing you have to think about is this: they may not be coming in to shoot on their own or whatever, but it's possible that they are no longer motivated by Scroggins' NONSENSICAL coaching and all of this "system" crap....It's PROVEN by the less than desirable record that Coffee has achieved over the past few years since he has been there. There is plenty talent, and regardless of how good or bad they are when they enter high school, if a coach is good enough they can make any player that will, improve. Sorry Fuzby once again I don't agree. Yes ladynred, I think the system needs to be tuned...TUNED OUT, it's old, we hired a bad coach, I wish the administration would admit that.

Indeed

It was a nice bit that sports extra did on these two yound coaches. I have conversed with Coach Moore on occasion and she is a very intelligent and repsectable coach I hope Columbia keeps her around.