No I do not confuse the two, I just don't buy into the new generation blaming everything on "A Bad Culture" , the only time they have had issues was last year when all the upper classmen quit, was it a bad culture maybe , but it was definitely poor coaching. I guess being old school and a veteran, I don't throw that word around so loosely, because from my experience, one mans misery is sometimes another's paradise, I have also heard that phrase thrown around in the work place and it is usually just one or two, so I just fire them and move on, again perception. I have been around this program for quite a few years and all of their problems can be corrected with some good coaching and discipline, they have definitely had enough talent to be competitive, much more competitive than the records posted above, now no one is expecting them to be world beaters, but they could have and should have been much better, quite a few of those years, this reaches way past the most recent coaching.