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Remember in November when I told you to open the window and look out? I know we're not finished yet, but I think it's safe to say top 6 to 9 is not only illogical, it's just downright insane. HAHA! We're over here pulling for you though, maybe you can make a run and jump into the top 25, it will be tough because you will have to jump over Siegel and McMinn with their crew of 2 wrestlers. @JSamson7 You should have taken my advice bro. Maybe next year....right??

Ok, so let me use your phrasing. I wasn't dogging Pete, I'm simply saying there were about 25 other coaches who deserved the award but he wasn't one of them. It's just a little weird that daddy might have had influence over the vote.

To be fair, Miller has certainly been the beneficiary of the "popularity contest" so I don't think anyone could be upset if he didn't win. In 2016 when he was "voted" as TN Coach of the Year, his team finished an unimpressive 27th at State and did not qualify for State Duals. The prior year Summit was 0-2 at State Duals. So you might want to save your sarcasm, logic is not used for awards in the state.

HAHAHAHA! I hate to be the one to point out how ridiculous you sound--actually who am I kidding, I don't mind at all, but as Joe would say C'mon man! You must have been locked away in the wrestling room with no windows and no internet access for the past year. So let me get this straight, you are going to take your ONE returning 6th place medalist and move from 29th to the top 5? Or I guess I should say, "close to the top 5." Maybe its different out here when we say close to something we mean its reasonably attainable whereas it seems that your version of close means something entirely different. I will say I enjoy your blind optimism but using state qualifier as a determination of success from a region where each weight class had an average of 6 wrestlers and one win would therefore earn you that prestigious title of state qualifier, that might just be a bit of a dangerous assumption. But good luck with that. If Cleveland doesn't win the dual 84-0, you should call it a successful season and start building for next year.

I was going to let this go but you guys couldn't let it drop. I am sorry if my opinion hurts your feelings but I guess you will just have to deal with it. Putting your head in the sand and pretending like someone deserves the medal of valor because they were a great wrestler does absolutely nothing to improve character or our sport. Everyone goes on and on about how wrestling, like no other sport, builds character, etc, etc, etc. Yet we turn a blind eye when some of our best wrestlers act like a fool and get away with it because they are winning gold medals. And while we are on the subject there are coaches from certain "top level" programs who also get the same treatment. We gush on and on about them on message boards and newspaper articles when they hoist the trophy but conveniently forget when they are kicking chairs, getting ejected from tournaments, etc. etc. Before you jump to defend, take a look at the facts. One quick and easy example: The AAA State Championship team lost 16 points (among 3 wrestlers and the coach) in the 2019 State Tournament. So rather than blindly hero worshiping, maybe we should hold everyone to the same standard regardless of the number of gold medals on their wall.

Being a great wrestler does NOT automatically equal great character. The two are not one in the same. One who "loves" the sport as you claim needs to learn to show some humility. I see the same as everyone else. Your Chattanooga rose colored glasses are strong. If he expects to make the Cornell lineup, he needs to get to work. I was right in front of his mat today and watched him blow a 5 or 6 point lead in less than 2 minutes by being out of shape and trying to stall out a match. He took an injury timeout for nothing more than to get a breather.

You must be confused. Reiniche and respectful have probably never been said in the same sentence before. I hope Cornell can help him mature but he has a long way to go. Great wrestler, but hes the only one I have ever witnessed sitting down on the mat during State finalist introductions. A cheap shot artist and conveniently takes injury timeout when hes in a bad spot/tired.

See, there you go again spouting off your opinion as fact. Just because there is ZERO debate that UWW is the toughest tournament IN YOUR MIND, doesn't make it true. Also I find it interesting that you had to go back to 2015 to find the talent level at UWW sufficient to attempt to prove your argument. But since you asked, I quickly pulled up the results of Ironman. They have a list of former place winners who were All American. The last year it was updated was 2016 so I just pulled 2016, 2015, & 2014. I will note that I am not advocating Ironman as the toughest tournament, in fact, I would probably lean toward S32 and Powerade. It is also important to note that Ironman is an in season tournament so the pool of potential entries is very limited. Even given these limitations, Ironman still have more talent than UWW. 2016 Habat, David Jordan, Isaac McIntosh, Morgan Miller, Ian Retherford, Zain Beckman, Mason Cruz, Darian Dance, Joey Harger, Pierce Johnson, Jeremy Kindig, Josh Thomas, Lorenzo 2015 Epperly, Zach Heil, Dean Jordan, Bo Martinez, Isaiah Snyder, Kyle Tomasello, Nathan Walz, Ty Gulibon, James Huntley, Max Moisey, Zeke Taylor, Ryan Villalonga, Chris 2014 Chisko, Solomon Cruz, Randy Martin, Myles McKenna. Joey Mecate, Chris Meredith, Bryce Nickal, Bo Schram, Connor Ward, Joseph

Why hello Kodiak Cannedy's Mom & Dad, welcome to the board! I love your confidence in your son. However TOC is trash. SE Regional is trash. Super32, ok, that's good but we all know a good draw at S32 can get you a few wins. 7th at NHSCA freshman division, respectable. No disrespect towards your son but since you opened the door and want to throw him in the spotlight, let me throw out a few other statistics (all easily verifiable on Track). Noah Horst over Cannedy - MD 14-1 (ok, national level wrestler but 14-1...) Braxton Mann, Science Hill over Cannedy - TF 18-2 (Braxton who?) Beast of the East record 1-2 (meh...) 3rd at Bill Brimer's Brawl in the Hall (majored 14-4 at a backwoods local event?) Those who we consider to be Tennessee's top 10 wrestlers should not be getting majored and teched. Keep grinding.

Durdon-I appreciate your knowledge of wrestling but you have a loud voice and type massively long posts so I think people assume your opinions are facts and others therefore build on your faulty assumptions and self-serving statements. I don't have the time or interest to research too much but just from memory I am going to toss out a few names that debunk your statement about Ivy Leagues recruiting "almost exclusively from Prep Nationals." Dake, Yanni, Max & Gabe Dean, Peppleman--not at Nat Preps. I am sure there are many others but those quickly come to mind. Your opinions are completely skewed by your own experience. Just because a couple of Baylor kids ended up at Cornell because they competed well at PN does not qualify your statement. And the funniest part is I KNOW you want to list it higher on your list but you are trying to pretend to be humble. UWW & Fargo, while certainly tough tournaments, are not 1 & 2. The population of wrestlers who compete at these events is a fraction of the talent throughout the United States. I know you try to fly the freestyle flag but deep in your heart you know there are kids who are sitting at home watching Fargo who would blow through many of those AA's. Comparing freestyle and folkstyle tournaments and determining a kids "ranking" in folkstyle because of how many AA's they have in a freestyle tournament is pretty close to idiotic. That is akin to saying Jeff Gordon should be ranked as a top 5 motorcycle racer. Both sports are racing and he was amazing at one so he therefore must be amazing at another racing sport. That argument only works if you are a NASCAR fan and trying to prove your own opinion. Kind of similar to someone who touts the private school wrestlers and those who perform well at freestyle events as the best. In the end its all about perspective and you seem to have lost it.

I'm sure you did it because you didn't want to be accused of being biased toward your kid, but how do you put A. Bowers over Emory? Head to head should trump any comparative results.

Just one example. Not saying Isbell is bad but there are others in the state pfp who are better. My fault on Bowers. I misread because he is listed as a Junior. I actually think Garrett should be above Isbell.

I might argue the order of some in your top 7 but at first glance, generally agree. I think Isbell is overrated. He was a SC last year but 32 was one of the weaker classes. He only beat Kerns by 2 in the finals. There are other, more dominant wrestlers who should be in the PfP. And Bowers keeps getting his brother's legacy vote. Lots of hype around Mason. But we might never know how good he really is since he chose to compete in the small school division. I'm never one to shy away from controversy so might as well go ahead and say it--with the occasional exception, 4 small school state championships equal 1 AAA championship.

Well that was easy - the first two I looked at! AAA 106 Chris Calvin - 2nd place - total points 25.5 AAA 106 Braden Ivy - 3rd place - total points 25.5 AAA 120 Andrew Artiles - 2nd place - total points 24 AAA 120 Jacob Haney - 3rd place - total points 25 Cobra- you are a moron. Just because you spew it doesn't make it fact!

I wonder where they might be transferring to? I love your enthusiasm for Cleveland but then you gotta come out here and throw them under the transfer bus.