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Which begs the question, WHY was he on the team??? But I think I can answer my own question. Take a look at the number of team points Cleveland wrestlers AND COACH lost to unsportsman calls. Apparently they must have missed the part about wrestling teaching sportsmanship. Maybe Alan Jones can send them to a sportsmanship seminar.

Completely agree. Just didn't list Luke because he isn't ranked. He might be after this weekend.

Possible interesting match ups: (winner in BOLD) 113 - Borders - O'Daniel - 113 - Borders - Bradford 126 - Cannon - Mann 152 - Sweeney - Brown 152 - Sweeney - Pergande 152- Brown - Ferguson 152 - Ferguson - Smith 160 - Cockman - Harter 182 - Jones - Sacharczyk 220 - Benefield - Boyce 285 - Kramer - Swafford

Its almost not worth bothering, but I will, just because maybe one day it might spur some change. Oakland and Summit? I am somewhat amazed Brentwood didn't make the list. HA! Come on man! Seems like it would be a little easier this week, just pick 12 from the top 16 teams in the state. That list is really easy to find. TSSAA State Duals. And before any of you homers start with your Soddy argument about Team Y that is not in who could have beat Team X that is in, we shall never know but we do know who the Sweet 16 actually are.

Is it not peculiar to anyone else that the entire bracket changed (except for the 3 seeded teams) but Bradley stayed in the same spot. What's the chances of that being random?

"Duels"??? Can we stop calling it duels. It is a DUAL. With an A. You all want us to take A/AA seriously and you can't even get this right.

If you detest me as you say, why are you trying to be me? I assume it is because no one would pay attention to you posts before so you decided to trick people into reading your drivel.

Lol. Are you not getting enough attention that you really going to keep using my screen name? Kinda sad in a funny way.

I guess its flattering that someone wants to be me. But you just ain't got it, imposter.

Thanks Mrs. Lundy. I don't see Fields anywhere on the list. I am not sure why he is your measuring stick. I don't think a preseason win over a one time medalist/champ is enough to propel someone without a state medal into the P4P rankings. Also, I'm not sure I consider 8-4 a "really close match." But since you mentioned it, please do tell the "big out of state tournaments" Lundy has won. Was it the Knockout Christmas Classic? No, that's not it, he was 2-2 there. Was it McCallie? No he was 3rd there. Sorry but its hard for me to see what you see without some gold medals on the wall.

Lundy hasn't proven he belongs in the list--he has never placed in our state. No way he is ahead of some wrestlers such as Diehl, Fowler, Williams, Knight, Taylor. I would even be hesitant to add McDaniels. Sure he has some impressive Freestyle and Greco accomplishments but he doesn't even hold a gold state medal.

Imposter! HAHA but I will give you credit Cobra, that is pretty funny.

Thanks for your dangerously wise and far out insight Tainten. Now that this is settled, lets get back to the important stuff like Anaconda Momma's crappy team rankings.

McNugget, you and I can be friends! I love it when we don't dance around the cold hard truth and just tell it like it is. Two thumbs up!

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Well, well, well, it seems you folks have created a mess over there! I would also like to know why the other 8 didn't wrestle. Was the host coach given a heads up or was this sprung on him at match time? Please allow me to clarify another item here (I also have access to the CDC): When Flu Spreads People with flu are most contagious in the first three to four days after their illness begins. Most healthy adults may be able to infect others beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick. Children and some people with weakened immune systems may pass the virus for longer than 7 days. Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days) after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.

Ha! I will leave the picks to the smart people like you WollyWorm. I dont expect anyone to do anything they dont want. I'm pretty sure none of the pollsters were forced into the job. BUT if they agreed to participate in the poll, I think they should also agree, by default, to be knowledgeable on the subject and do the best of their ability.

Artis - are you paying attention here? Can you forward this to your Pollsters? And while I'm amazed that WormDaddy didn't somehow work Soddy into his poll, I am impressed by the efforts of his analysis as well as the child prodigy MC. This is proof that your pollsters can easily do the same. Yes it will take some extra effort and its understandable if they don't want to put in the effort, just ask them to raise their hand and replace them with someone who is willing. Our state deserves this. If we truly want to be relevant in wrestling like we say then we have to improve at all levels, not just on the mat.

Your statement makes no sense to me. And you will never understand because your team is ranked (and deservedly so) but if your team was one of those who is slighted then you might take your head out of the hole its in and try to look around and see why. I don't have a problem with the rankings themselves, I think rankings are good. But the way they are done now is equivalent to someone doing an NFL ranking and year after year and always adding Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Carolina, and Dallas because those are the teams that "should" be winning--they have the most fans. Where as, maybe one should do some research and list Kansas City and LA. They don't have the coolest uniforms and the most fans and neither team will earn a legacy ranking but they deserve the recognition. All it takes is a little bit of effort. Track makes it very very easy now. Don't want to put forth the effort, then bow out of being in the poll group and add someone that cares enough to do some research.

That's not realistic. You know they're not going to stop doing it--so instead of your sound bites, lets get some changes going and make it valid.

It really shouldn't but teams use these "rankings" for promotion. So it is going to be used and since it will be used, shouldn't we at least try to get it right? Don't we owe it to the coaches and wrestlers to try to put out the best product available? Wouldn't it be fair to teams like Summit, Rossview, Clarksville, etc. to be able to advertise their program as "Top 12 ranked..." in order to help create more excitement and hopefully grow? I think the most deserving teams should be offered that opportunity. Why is it so unusual to ask that something be done with some effort if it is going to be done??? Isn't this the whole mantra that we claim as a difference with wrestling and all other sports? Shouldn't it apply to every aspect not just the matches on the mat?

Its called Legacy ranking and it's become painfully obvious that the coaches voting in the poll either dont have time or (definitely don't mean the Bradley coaches here :-)) are too lazy to take the time to study teams to make an informed vote, so they pick the "branded" teams. When the initial poll came out with Soddy ranked I think most who read this board began to consider the Coaches Poll no longer valid. Hopefully Arty can revamp his good old boy network of pollsters and create something valid next year.

I really hate to agree with Winnie Pooh1976 here, but anyone who thinks Cleveland's success isn't based on MONEY then you have your head in the sand or somewhere else where the sun doesn't shine. Bosken is a big part of their success but without Bosken earning a nice salary from Jones, Bosken wouldn't be able to put in the time he does. If there was no Bosken in Cleveland, there would be someone else earning that salary and coaching those kids to success. There are many wrestling coaches around the state who put in countless hours and have success on a smaller level. The only thing preventing them to have the same success and notoriety as HCWC (and the spillover to high school) is the almighty $$$. When the HCWC machine needs something to take its program up a notch, a check is written. Other programs have to claw and scrape to get those same next level needs. For example, when a team wants to travel to national tournaments with a large group of kids, It might take the less fortunate several years to raise money to buy a bus for travel, hotel rooms, entry fees, etc. etc. etc, when Cleveland decided it was easier and more effective to haul everyone on a bus, they got a bus. If you are HCWC and want to grow your program...write a check and put up a billboard! Don't have space for everyone...write a check build a state of the art wrestling facility. Need additional coaches...write a check. Have lesser fortunate kids who need gear...write a check. Need to get stronger...write a check and get new weight equipment. Need more exposure....write a check and get live steaming and social media.

Hahaha!!! "Highly regarded" Do you have any idea how many highly regarded teams there are in the nation? Hahahaha. No one said they were beaten by three crap teams. But I did say they were beaten by three teams who haven't even been in the convo for a national ranking. So my original statement stands. Since you have all the answers what accolades would you say Cleveland has to deserve a top 50 national ranking? Please do tell.