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  1. 22 minutes ago, sx1234 said:

    So next year.... 

     

    Top half:  Cleveland(1 seed), Brentwood (loses seed- opposite side of Summit), ? and ?

    Bottom half: Halls (2 seed), Summit (3 seed), Bradley (opposite Cleveland), and  ?

     

    and one of those question marks is going to be DB

    IMO, Nolensville most likely wins their sectional and will take either Brentwood or Summit's spot at the state duals. You could make the argument they were the best (not by much) of the 3 this season but didnt wrestle well at a couple weights in their district duals. 

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  2. 10 minutes ago, ObseverW said:

    It's going to be a long long time before any AA public school is going to catch Cleveland. Private schools might have a shot and Soddy might be able to matchup well to them (prob as well as any AA public school can) but private schools might be the only TN teams that can compete against Cleveland within the next 10 years and maybe even longer. They have a factory there now that is just spitting out top notch wrestlers and I don't see that stopping anytime soon, even if they were to lose Bosken or Knox or both!  

    Agree 100%!!! Not sure how long the reign will last but last season was the year to beat them. I've said this numerous times on here and in person to many of my fellow wrestling friends, parents and coaches. Some listen but many refuse to believe the facts and writing on the wall. A private school may beat them but it will be SEVERAL years before any public school in TN can match what they already have and what is coming up in the pipeline. The thing that separates the Cleveland room is their Cleveland coaching staff. They have AT LEAST 5 coaches (and this is just the guys that I know or know of) that are in the room every day and who are all better than 90-95% of the public school coaches in the state. There very well could be a couple more that I dont know of too! If a public school team has just 1 very knowledgeable coach in the room every day, the kids in the room benefit greatly. When you have a handful (or more) of experienced and knowledgeable coaches who help kids be the best version of themselves paired with kids willing to work hard and exceptional parental/community support, you get what they have going right now!

     

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  3. 1 minute ago, desselle said:

    Logan did win. Can’t remember best match. But the two best matches ended in controversy. 

    Match that got voted best match was Rubio and Yazdani. Absolutely correct!

  4. Arash's opponent in semis controlled the match until he gassed. When his opponent gassed, Arash hit his takedowns at will. He could've easily had a couple or few more if he didnt waste so much time trying to turn him. 

  5. I agree that 150 should be a good match as well. Hunley is a tough kid and strong as an ox. Winner of that match will know hes been in a battle and will have earned it

    Best match 106 or 175

    MOW is either Logan Fowler or Landon Desselle. 

    We'll see if the finals outcomes change my thoughts.

  6. Didnt have time to go thru entire brackets and probably not gonna have time to enter brackets on the site so here goes my best guess.

    106- Cordero, Workman, Dietrick, Moore, Barton, Sessions

    113- Walker, Colson, Loeffel, Lippincott, Connaster, Masi

    120- Jakob, Smalling, Baltz, Maughon, Corbin, Nielsen

    126- Bosken, Heflin, Creque, Corbin, Simpson, Winseman

    132- Little, Beasley, Nadaeu, Halcomb, Donelson, Sexton

    138-  Yazdani, Pullen, Posey, Rubio, Robinson, Little

    144- Desselle, Romano, Landrum, Geiser, Brown, Bautista

    150- Leach, Hunley, Barlow, Vaughn, Pattee, Hogg

    157- Fowler, Meeks, Little, Melzoni, Whaley, Anderson

    165- Fowler, Mayes, Fritz, Corbin, Osburn, McKinney

    175- McTorry, Stacey, Keel, Thompson, Harrold, Williams 

    190- Symborski, Kon, Jenkins, Dempsey, Whaley, Hatley

    215- Crowder, McBee, Whisenant, Elmore, Moore, Sentell

    285- Russel, Myers, Sumler, Savarino, Ard, Timothy

    Finals matches most likely to flip are 106 and 175 (depending on Stacey's health).

  7. 16 minutes ago, CarlSpackler88 said:

    McCallie did a great job of wrestling to their seed or above it BUT those stats are extremely misleading imo and especially unfair to Father Ryan. As previously stated by @FargoStrut, Aiden Hare was seeded #1 at 113 for winning the west regional, but if it were truly seeded, he would have been the #5 probably and ended up taking 4th with a monster win over Kibelbeck in the quarters. He had a great tournament and based on that stat it looks like he fumbled. Kid has turned into a great wrestler and is going to contend for a title VERY soon. With the west being a bit weaker than the east, it puts Ryan at severe disadvantage when looking at that specific stat. 

    Carl, you make a few valid points and probably worded it better than I did while making the same point. First, you cant compare podium placement with bracket placement in a non-seeded tournament. The argument about  seed to placement "domination" only holds water if the tournament was truly and properly seeded. Secondly, with the East division having a slightly disproportionate number of better teams and  wrestlers, it stands to reason that more east division wrestlers would "out-perform" their placement (sometimes mistakingly referred to as seed) in the bracket at the state tournament. The opposite would be true of west divison teams and wrestlers. Hare wrestled to his "seed" or better, while he did not wrestle to his placement on the bracket that was not seeded. The ENTIRE McCallie lineup wrestled their butts off this past weekend and the total team points reflect this fact. The fact that y'all had half the number of champions that Baylor or Ryan had show the importance of having a complete team, even in an individual tournament. Total team points should be the metric being used, NOT seed to placement differential in a non-seeded tournament. 

  8. 1 hour ago, Whoweft said:

    I mean, I am sure McCallie would prefer to win every weight class if it could.   There is something to be said about a program's progress and direction.  Given where McCallie was last year--and the number of those guys you call "average" that are 8th and 9th graders that finished on the podium this year-- McCallie is headed in the right direction. 

    Even in this event--McCallie seemed to be taking some steps.  I have not looked at this stat before --but Seed to Place Differential (how the team performed relative to expected performance): 

    McCallie +25 (the highest)

    Baylor  +7 (#5 of 26)

    Father Ryan -14 (last - #26 out of 26)

    Just curious abt this. So, in the 113 lb bracket, are you calling Axel the 6 seed and Hare the 1 seed?? If so, yes Axel exceeded his seed to place differential by 3 and if Hare was "your 1 seed", he receives a -3. This would be true if brackets were seeded properly, instead of placed. However, it doesnt make seed to place true when they're not. If your being realistic about the brackets, both kids should probably recieve a ZERO in expected outcomes bc neither placed higher or lower than most reasonably expected when brackets were revealed. Same with Big Gentle and I'm sure there are probably others as well, he's NOT the 2 seed even if he's "placed" in the traditional 2 seed slot of a non- seeded tournament, therefore he shouldn't merit a +1.  Make sense?

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  9. Just got back from watching the D-2 championships and was impressed with the McCallie 8th graders. Those kids helped their team to both the dual and individual championships. However, after being around AAU for several years and thinking about Cleveland's incoming freshman, I think the Blue Raiders 8th graders may give the EBE incoming freshman a run for their money. Thoughts? 

    McCallie 8th graders

    - Jaxon Lane, Cainan Williams, Dylan Villers, Cooper Ledbetter

    Cleveland 8th graders 

    Boone Maughon, Dominic Cordero, Kellen Sanders, Mattox High, Rock Shurette

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  10. Looks like ol Carl was right, McCallie gonna win it on the backside. Brought 13 outta 14 and all 13 placed. FR and especially Baylor have a more thoughbreds at this time but McCallie had a few of their own and plenty of pack mules to carry the load. Congrats McCallie parents and wrestlers on a great season!

    23 hours ago, FR615 said:

    Some fantastic matches coming in the semis! Mccallie looks to be in good shape to pull it out. @CarlSpackler88 was right saying there is good chance they win it in the consis. 

    Yes it is. Several semis match gonna be big as far as team points go. Of the 3 teams that can win, FR has fewest with 8 in semis but a very realistic shot at putting AT LEAST 7 in the finals while Baylor has 10 and McCallie has 11 in the semis.

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  11. 16 minutes ago, FR615 said:

    Some fantastic matches coming in the semis! Mccallie looks to be in good shape to pull it out. @CarlSpackler88 was right saying there is good chance they win it in the consis. 

    Yes it is. Several semis match gonna be big as far as team points go. Of the 3 teams that can win, FR has fewest with 8 in semis but a very realistic shot at putting AT LEAST 7 in the finals while Baylor has 10 and McCallie has 11 in the semis.

  12. 3 minutes ago, Bump11 said:

    Brackets are up. I’ll fill them in when the official brackets come out, hopefully Sunday. But you can go ahead and create your account if you don’t have one already, and then if you search for “AA106” it will pull that one up, and from there you can click my name, then hit where it says “tournaments” and all 14 will be there. 

    Bump, what's your "challonge" site link to create our accounts if we dont have one?

  13. 2 hours ago, wssm said:

    106 FR, 113 Mc, 120 FR, 126 FR, 132 FR, 138 FR, 144 CB, 150 FR, 157 Bay, 165 Bay, 175 CB, 190 Mc, 215 Mc, 285 Mc

     

    Mc and FR too close to call.

    A couple of these are questionable at best.

    113- I disagree but will go along with

    132- very possible but gotta improve from last month

    138- maybe but I'm taking Mal

    144-  it's possible but give me Titus

    190- Eversole is the man to beat

    215- give me Tiny Smith ALL DAY and twice the day of the finals!

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  14. 4 hours ago, dontstopbelieving said:

    Instead of a Top 100 in Nashville they have the Music City Nationals to try to draw in out of state kids. From what I have notice it tends to draw a little more than Gatlinburg or Cleveland Top 100. In my opinion AAU in the state of Tennessee is a giant money scheme. I am not talking about the clubs I am talking about the people in charge of the tournaments. If your kid gets good enough they earn the right to wrestle the same exact kids at every tournament. And if they don't get good people just make new profiles so they can keep putting them in the "beginner" tournaments. 

    Although I disagree with them, I've heard the same reason as to why the 3 Top 100's are located where they are (middle TN has Music City Brawl).

    Music City "Nationals" became just that in January of 2023. 4 weeks ago was only their 2nd event that was labeled "nationals". Before January 2023, it had been called the Music City Brawl since its inception. In the past, there have been Top 100 tournaments in middle TN during the now +- 15 years the Music City Brawl/Nationals has existed. In short, imo, if you're gonna give out medals to represent the 3 grand divisions of TN, then the 3 grand divisions of TN should be represented. Saying that and I know this contradicts the 3 grand divisions of TN, Memphis is my least favorite of the 3 for multiple reasons and the one that I think should at least rotate every other year to Mid-TN.

    Back to the topic at hand, I see no issue whatsoever why a HS (Cleveland in this case) shouldn't host these events if they are willing and able to run these tournaments efficiently.

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  15. 19 minutes ago, KidGloves said:

    I think those Top 100s are pretty tough to come across. 

    These days they're only tough to come across in the Nashville area. Not so much for Knoxville area ( kinda deserving), Chattanooga area ( very deserving) or Memphis.

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  16. 6 minutes ago, SportsTNFan said:

    Did Ryan and Summit wrestle in any Tournaments other than the Drennan Tournament this season?

    In that Tourney Ryan finished 3rd (without Tran and Lemaota), Brentwood finished 5th and Summitt 7th (without Demorest and Posey).

    Almost certain Summit was missing Leach as well. Possibly getting a rest after their Ohio trip.?

  17. Cleveland's current dynasty and McCallie's championship yesterday are not by accident. Granted, I thought FR would win a very close match yesterday and was wrong. I actually told my son that if the D2-AAA duals were wrestled 100 times, I thought FR would win abt 40, McCallie would win abt 30-35 and Baylor would win abt 25-30.

    Saying that, the success that Cleveland has had and will continue to have in the coming yrs is due to their staffs hard work AND the willingness of kids and parents to travel outside of TN seeking better competition. Their kids aren't running "secret moves" from their feet, top or bottom. I'm fairly certain they probably drill routine set-ups, takedowns, techniques and positioning (with an emphasis on every small detail) until its 2nd nature to the kids. 

    There are kids on every team (Cleveland and McCallie included) that are JV, spot starters depending on the matchup, quality starters and elite wrestlers. The thing that separates these teams from most teams is their number of kids that have traveled to "wrestling states" seeking better competition. You take away the (4) 8th graders and a couple stud freshman from McCallie and they don't win, period. What do these kids have in common? They've wrestled better competition several times as youth than they'll see at most tournaments in TN. The same principle applies to the Baylor hammers, Summit studs, Signal Mtn studs, Greeneville's best kids the past few years, Mason Jakob, or any other elite kid from TN. Get your personal kids up to OH, MI, PA, OK, MO, IA, IN, IL, etc and they'll be better for it. Get several kids from your area around the same age doing it and by the time they're in HS, their team will be significantly better.

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  18. 4 minutes ago, BOUNCE said:

    After watching the video many times and listening to the ref, it sounds like he was injury defaulted for crying out.  ive never seen that 

    From my vantage point, and not long before this, the Brentwood wrestler appeared to "tap out"  when he was in a bad position and no near-fall awarded to Summit. Guess it wasnt a big deal to anyone, including Summit coaches bc they didnt cause a stink over it.

  19. 11 minutes ago, Humorist said:

    But Cleveland has always played the out of bounds line. Heck we were doing it back in the Miller days…haha

    Sounds like some well coached teams to me. Hope y'all were even encouraged to try and wrestle the match near your corner as well. :)

  20. 1 hour ago, Humorist said:

    And you know where they are weak they’ll shave those points. They’ll play the edge and tie up those wrists. 

    EVERY team at the state duals SHOULD have their guys that are the role players doing things like this to minimize takedown opportunities and nearfall points, especially if its early or in the middle of the dual. If any average starter on any team is trying to go toe to toe with an opposing team's stud, I hope it's late in the dual and his team needs him to win to secure the victory. 

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