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Osage

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  1. Osage

    New club team

    Had no idea. In which case, props to them for their improvement!
  2. Osage

    New club team

    Been thinking about this competitiveness question. That is, do you go to big events (Bluegrass, Qualifiers, Nationals, AAU Championships) in order to potentially win the event? Or compete against matched competition, knowing you are probably going to win as many as you lose? The easy cases are on the extreme ends of the spectrum. As clifford and TT point out, nobody is getting any better losing (or winning) by blowout margins. If your team's point ratio for a given event is in the .6 range or lower (meaning, you consistently scored 15 points or less in your games), you were probably in over your head. On the other extreme, if you are one of the top 20 or 50 teams in the country, you need to be entering these tournaments with the goal to win the most competitive division. But what about the large space between those endpoints? After thinking about this a couple of days, I've decided the bar for me is: CAN you finish top half in a given field? If yes, you're playing in the right division. Let's take a case in point: should the Alliance 15-1 team have played Open at Big South? 15O was a tough, tough field: 9 teams entered the event with a bid already in hand, and 3 more teams left with Open bids. Alliance finished 26th out of 32, so on first glance, you'd say they shouldn't played that field. But they were seeded 28th, and their fate was sealed on the first day when they lost 15-12 in the third to a team that ended up finishing 10th overall (and had previously qualified at the 15 USA level). They were ThatClose to locking in a top half finish. So in retrospect... yes, playing Open was appropriate for them.
  3. Osage

    New club team

    I missed that crossover result for the 13s. Re JVA / AAU / USA... I agree that it's all the same to most parents, they just want to know what the EOY event is going to be. And families can count and plan around Orlando, for better or worse. But the 10% that do know the difference... those are the families I would want in my club. Give them a choice. I think Alliance or MidTN would do itself good by foregoing the JVA / AAU route, ceding that circuit to Ethos and TPV. Having the chance to compete Nationally in either USA or JVA / AAU would be good for middle TN volleyball in general. As things stand now, that choice isn't really available. The SRVA / USAV / Qualifier route isn't without its faults. I just don't think a club can consistently field top 50 level teams across age divisions, year after year, by just competing in JVA events. I'm going to think about your point on competitiveness a bit. I still don't know where I fall on the question.
  4. Osage

    New club team

    Check Sportwrench. Which means, among other things, that these results are worthless from an AES rankings perspective.
  5. Osage

    New club team

    Wow, you're not kidding. Alliance sent 16 teams, MidTN 6, and Clarksville 2. Of those 24, only 7 finished top half in their divisions (Alliance 13-2, 14-2, 14-3, 15-3 and 16-3, MidTN 14s and 16s). Since we were talking about them earlier, I did notice that the MidTN 13s beat the Alliance 13s pretty easily. On the other hand, some of those fields were DEEP. Take a look at the 15, 16, and 17 Open fields... half of those teams are qualified. I'll say it again... we all know why TPV can't play qualifiers, but they're going to have to find a way around that at some point if they want to be truly relevant at the National level. This is where the top teams are competing. Or maybe not. If all the major clubs in middle TN are JVA clubs, that doesn't provide families with much choice, does it. Might be better for Alliance to align itself tightly with USA / SRVA, in order to more clearly differentiate itself from TPV and Ethos. If they did that, maybe they could get some better seeds at Big South. Debate question: should clubs enter their teams to COMPETE at these events, or do you send teams to Qualifiers in order to QUALIFY? Just focusing on the Open teams, Alliance clearly isn't going to be qualifying an Open team at Big South.
  6. Osage

    New club team

    Bravo is the first team. Paragon is the second. You can guess the hierarchy in a number of ways. For example, Bravo played Open at Bluegrass, while Paragon played Premiere. I'm pretty sure there are at least two other 18's teams.
  7. Osage

    New club team

    I was making a comparison between the top 2 TPV 18's teams. My expectations were not that high for the Bravo team. Even so, the season seems to have been a bigger struggle for them than I expected. With end of year school events and college pending (for some), it's hard to hold an 18's team together that is limping to end of the schedule.
  8. Osage

    New club team

    Been saying that team was the real #1 18's team. My concern about the other group was that it was constituted to look good in warm-ups and on paper, but once the whistle sounded, I thought they would have first contact challenges. Having said that, I am surprised that they've struggled as much as they have. Took a quick look at AES just now, and I can't find a single result to be proud of.
  9. Osage

    New club team

    the other thread was specific to TN Club volleyball 2019. That's where, for example, Apostle was keeping up with AES rankings, and we were commenting on those. This thread lost a page or 2 as well, making me wonder what all was deleted, and why. Anyhow, congrats (again) to TT's team on another outstanding weekend. The win vs. the 18's team was especially impressive.
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    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    I was thinking you guys were going to have a good weekend, but that's better result than I was expecting. serious congrats to you, TT, and your team. Should generate some good momentum for you entering the home stretch of the season. I looked up the 18's results, and it didn't seem like they had quite as good a weekend, although that field (on paper) seems a bit deeper.
  11. Osage

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Good luck to all teams in Indy and Atlanta this weekend. Deep fields in both events. TT, you guys got insulted on seed, but it looks like you're making do nonetheless.
  12. Osage

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    Concord Christian, it turns out. Who knew.
  13. Osage

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    no, but I know who to ask. Give me a few hours.
  14. Osage

    TENNESSEE Club Volleyball (2019 Season)

    I know AES isn't perfect, and maybe it's the best we've got, but these are still some wacky results, given that we're now in April with over half the season behind us. Do we really think Phoenix Rising (who? where?) is the top 17's team in the state? That said, I can't argue the math that says there are only 3 Open-level competitive teams in the state right now (at the high school age): K2 18's, TPV 16's, and K2 15's. Kudos for K2 for getting it done at multiple ages, working off a smaller population base than either Memphis or Nashville. That last group (K2 15's) is better than their ranking suggests. @ TT... you had suggested that the TPV left handed kid is the top 2022 in the state. Don't lose sight of some of these K2 kids... there is a left side, in particular, who does it all. If you get a chance to watch this team, she'll be obvious to you.
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    New club team

    Agree with Apostle here. Let's be honest... among the upper level older players (high school age, anyway) what's left at Alliance that TPV would want? Probably one kid of the 16's, at least one, maybe 2 off the 15's. Beyond those, when you talk about kids who are potential candidates to play for Top 40 D1 schools, Alliance does't really have them anymore. Which creates an interesting situation for both clubs. TPV first. As they become the standard-bearer, the expectations for TPV will be to improve upon the results Alliance had posted with unfettered access to the area's top talent. @ Apostle, I'm not sure I agree that Alliance regularly missed the boat... maybe my expectations are lower than yours, but most years, they'd placed at least one team in Gold at AAU, right? This being Tennessee, that should be good enough. I'd think TPV would certainly take that kind of result this year, and likely in the years going forward. TPV is going to have have to find a way to compete in USAV events if they want to be truly relevant nationally (there's a limit to how much you can improve just playing yourselves and Southern Performance week after week). If that never happens, then Triple Crown. Alliance will then be the home for underdogs (at least with its top teams). Those teams will be comprised of players who are just glad to be on a 1's team (like it or not, that matters more than it ought), along with those who know they belong at that level, but have something to prove. In theory, Alliance top teams should not be able to compete toe-to-toe with TPV peers, who will have the top players and "better" training model.
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