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  1. Osage

    New club team

    Time to kick the dust off this thread... TT, I looked for an AAU schedule for you guys, couldn't find it. Am I missing it, or not out yet? Also, are the Alliance / TPV 18's teams done?
  2. Osage

    New club team

    I hadn't looked at that field in a long time. As good as it is, seems a bit diluted from when I saw it last time. Wasn't A5 supposed to be there? Also, looks like some of the higher ranked 18's teams pulled out. Alliance 18's are not in the field, either. Anyway, good luck to everyone!
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    New club team

    Had no idea. In which case, props to them for their improvement!
  4. Osage

    New club team

    Been thinking about this competitiveness question. That is, do you go to big events (Bluegrass, Qualifiers, Nationals, AAU Championships) in order to potentially win the event? Or compete against matched competition, knowing you are probably going to win as many as you lose? The easy cases are on the extreme ends of the spectrum. As clifford and TT point out, nobody is getting any better losing (or winning) by blowout margins. If your team's point ratio for a given event is in the .6 range or lower (meaning, you consistently scored 15 points or less in your games), you were probably in over your head. On the other extreme, if you are one of the top 20 or 50 teams in the country, you need to be entering these tournaments with the goal to win the most competitive division. But what about the large space between those endpoints? After thinking about this a couple of days, I've decided the bar for me is: CAN you finish top half in a given field? If yes, you're playing in the right division. Let's take a case in point: should the Alliance 15-1 team have played Open at Big South? 15O was a tough, tough field: 9 teams entered the event with a bid already in hand, and 3 more teams left with Open bids. Alliance finished 26th out of 32, so on first glance, you'd say they shouldn't played that field. But they were seeded 28th, and their fate was sealed on the first day when they lost 15-12 in the third to a team that ended up finishing 10th overall (and had previously qualified at the 15 USA level). They were ThatClose to locking in a top half finish. So in retrospect... yes, playing Open was appropriate for them.
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    New club team

    I missed that crossover result for the 13s. Re JVA / AAU / USA... I agree that it's all the same to most parents, they just want to know what the EOY event is going to be. And families can count and plan around Orlando, for better or worse. But the 10% that do know the difference... those are the families I would want in my club. Give them a choice. I think Alliance or MidTN would do itself good by foregoing the JVA / AAU route, ceding that circuit to Ethos and TPV. Having the chance to compete Nationally in either USA or JVA / AAU would be good for middle TN volleyball in general. As things stand now, that choice isn't really available. The SRVA / USAV / Qualifier route isn't without its faults. I just don't think a club can consistently field top 50 level teams across age divisions, year after year, by just competing in JVA events. I'm going to think about your point on competitiveness a bit. I still don't know where I fall on the question.
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    New club team

    Check Sportwrench. Which means, among other things, that these results are worthless from an AES rankings perspective.
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    New club team

    Wow, you're not kidding. Alliance sent 16 teams, MidTN 6, and Clarksville 2. Of those 24, only 7 finished top half in their divisions (Alliance 13-2, 14-2, 14-3, 15-3 and 16-3, MidTN 14s and 16s). Since we were talking about them earlier, I did notice that the MidTN 13s beat the Alliance 13s pretty easily. On the other hand, some of those fields were DEEP. Take a look at the 15, 16, and 17 Open fields... half of those teams are qualified. I'll say it again... we all know why TPV can't play qualifiers, but they're going to have to find a way around that at some point if they want to be truly relevant at the National level. This is where the top teams are competing. Or maybe not. If all the major clubs in middle TN are JVA clubs, that doesn't provide families with much choice, does it. Might be better for Alliance to align itself tightly with USA / SRVA, in order to more clearly differentiate itself from TPV and Ethos. If they did that, maybe they could get some better seeds at Big South. Debate question: should clubs enter their teams to COMPETE at these events, or do you send teams to Qualifiers in order to QUALIFY? Just focusing on the Open teams, Alliance clearly isn't going to be qualifying an Open team at Big South.
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    New club team

    Bravo is the first team. Paragon is the second. You can guess the hierarchy in a number of ways. For example, Bravo played Open at Bluegrass, while Paragon played Premiere. I'm pretty sure there are at least two other 18's teams.
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    New club team

    I was making a comparison between the top 2 TPV 18's teams. My expectations were not that high for the Bravo team. Even so, the season seems to have been a bigger struggle for them than I expected. With end of year school events and college pending (for some), it's hard to hold an 18's team together that is limping to end of the schedule.
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    New club team

    Been saying that team was the real #1 18's team. My concern about the other group was that it was constituted to look good in warm-ups and on paper, but once the whistle sounded, I thought they would have first contact challenges. Having said that, I am surprised that they've struggled as much as they have. Took a quick look at AES just now, and I can't find a single result to be proud of.
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    New club team

    the other thread was specific to TN Club volleyball 2019. That's where, for example, Apostle was keeping up with AES rankings, and we were commenting on those. This thread lost a page or 2 as well, making me wonder what all was deleted, and why. Anyhow, congrats (again) to TT's team on another outstanding weekend. The win vs. the 18's team was especially impressive.
  12. I was thinking you guys were going to have a good weekend, but that's better result than I was expecting. serious congrats to you, TT, and your team. Should generate some good momentum for you entering the home stretch of the season. I looked up the 18's results, and it didn't seem like they had quite as good a weekend, although that field (on paper) seems a bit deeper.
  13. Good luck to all teams in Indy and Atlanta this weekend. Deep fields in both events. TT, you guys got insulted on seed, but it looks like you're making do nonetheless.
  14. Concord Christian, it turns out. Who knew.
  15. no, but I know who to ask. Give me a few hours.
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