Let's just do away with public school sports!

[ihavenofriendzz]

and when that guy was saying all those numbers and averages. thats no inlcuding the big rivalries that can bring in about 8000+ to some games. plus playoff games if they host one. the big schools make more money than you might think. i mena its not near what it probly is in texas where thats all people have but the schools make enough to keep the sports. if the school loses money then i still dont think they schould get rid of them because that takes away from the kids experiences in high school. let them play sports if they want. you never know that could be a kids only way to get out of his small town is through sports.

[Baldcoach]

They want to be apart, when it comes to academics, school atmosphere, spiritual atmosphere (and students can pray in public school without being sued, it's just not organized or required) but they still want to be together for athletics. Why is that?

 

Misleading Indian...you set up a strawman and knock it down. Here is the equivalent...

 

Ford drivers Want to be apart from Chevy drivers in style, price, and gas mileage, but they want to use the same roads. Why is that?

 

Answer: They don't want to be 'apart', they just drive a different brand of car. Some because they like the style better, some because their parents drove that brand, some because they got a better deal on the car, etc.

[Baldcoach]

Christian schools are a bit hypocritical. I`m not trying to put them down or the decision of parents for sending them there, but the most popular reason you hear from parents for choosing them is because the government has taken Christ out of the schools. Well I submit that they are guilty of the exact same thing. It`s just my silly opinon, but Christ and Christian values do need to be in the public schools. By attending private Christian schools they are in esscence taking Christ out. Public schools need that influence amongst the student population. Being a Christian should NOT be the responsibiltiy of any school. It should be between the family and the church to nurture young Christians. The Bible says to go out and witness. How can you witness when you run away from the places you are needed most?

 

VG, are you seriously accusing those who have moved their kids to private schools of being the cause of moral decay in the publics? You are more honest than that! It was because of the morality problems in public schools (and academic problems, and social problems, and violence problems) that most of the small privates were started. And the Bible says a lot of things, but not to "go out and witness" at least to my knowledge. In fact never in the Bible are we told to use our children as some sort of moral crutch or witness for others...quite the opposite, we are exhorted over and over and over again to protect them from morally questionable situations because they aren't ready to handle it yet...they are children

 

I don't want my kids to have to be some sort of missionary at school, fighting negative peer pressure. Its hard enough being a decent kid with positive peer pressure, so if I can provide that for them I feel its my responsibility as a Dad to do so. NOTHING, not the ideal of a Democratic Public system, nor the good influence my kids MAY have on some other kids in school is as important to me as giving my kids the best possible chance to have a good relationship with the Lord and mature into happy, healthy, well balanced adults. So if keeping them in a Christian environment during their school years is possible, I will...even if i have to do without a new car, or sell the house and rent an apartment, or work 2 jobs, etc.

 

p.s. Christian values should be in Public Schools...every other kind of values is. In fact, the whole idea of Public schooling is based in the Judeo-Christian tradition. I find it ironic that the values that gave rise to "all men are created equal" are now excluded from the public institution that was spawned because of that phrase...ok, not ironic, more like tragic. I find it even more tragic that good people have bought into the idea that excluding them is a good thing.

[std]

And the Bible says a lot of things, but not to "go out and witness" at least to my knowledge. In fact never in the Bible are we told to use our children as some sort of moral crutch or witness for others...quite the opposite, we are exhorted over and over and over again to protect them from morally questionable situations because they aren't ready to handle it yet...they are children

 

Excuse me but the last words the disciples heard from Jesus were the the Great Commision to go our into the world and make disciples of all people. Is that not to witness. The purpose of the Great commision was for Christians to be a witness.

[lazarus]

before i forget it, boiled toast, welcome back!

we have missed you on here...

dont necessarily always agree with you, but always enjoy your input.

now on with the show;

 

"VG, are you seriously accusing those who have moved their kids to private schools of being the cause of moral decay in the publics?"

 

i dont think he said THE CAUSE. contributing factor, sure. i dont see how you can deny it.

if there were 10 christians per 100, and 5 were removed to private school, that would leave 5 per hundred. and that decline would be attributable to removing the other 5 to private school. if it is your belief that christians are what stands in the way of "moral decay", then removing christians from the mix would seem to, by definition, contribute to moral decay.

 

"Christian values should be in Public Schools"

 

i am still confused. i never knew christian values were excluded from public schools. at our school we have FCA, we have a bible club, we have a prayer group. admittedly, if the laotians wanted to have a buddist club, we'd have to allow that as well. i have been involved with numerous teams, in 4 different sports, at several different public schools. every one of them managed to have team prayers before games. our basic christian culture has been inculcated in every public school i have been around. i just dont know where these godless schools i keep hearing about are.

now, our teachers are not allowed to preach (in theory) but that really serves the religious people more than the non-religious.

think about it, if i were an atheist, why would i care what religious practices went on at school? what difference could it possibly make?

i tell you who would have been at the door, hopping mad, if we had any religious teaching at school. it would be the people from the church i was brought up in.

you might not know this, but they are the only true christians.

now, i might have lost my moral compass (much to my mother's chagrin) and not actually believe that their precise and narrowly defined path to salvation is the only possible way. but, i can assure you, they would be the first in line protesting with outrage and anger, when some teacher foolishly misinterpreted a scripture.

that is just the sort of thing that can inadvertently condemn whole classrooms of kids to everlasting heck.

ironically, they also loudly protest our godless schools, and believe christianity should be taught there...

but it can only be their version.

 

and what is my guarantee that your school provides a safe and wholesome environment, your word?

when a public school coach is fired for dropping an f-bomb in a team meeting, there is 10 pages of discussion on here, about the man, about his offense, about the school and the school board.

when your school has a shocking and momentous personnel change, the reasons are a closely held secret and discussion is off limits.

if it isnt something bad, why would it be such a secret?

what really goes on at your school, that gets covered up? how much more is there that no one knows?

as a christian (depending, of course, on whose definition you use) which should i trust more, an environment where failings are dealt with openly, or a secretive place where i am supposed to take it on faith that nothing bad is happening?

 

just how high is your moral high ground?

Edited June 17, 2006 by lazarus

[VolunteerGeneral]

baldcoach...I stand behind every thing I said about the subject.

 

First off the Southern Baptist Convention just had a vote whether or not that the church should officially encourage parent`s to home school or use a christian private school. I`m sorry but that is sooooo wrong.

 

Christians complain about the lack christian values in schools and then take them out of public schools. IF ALL christians were in public schools, don`t you think that would vastly improve the overall environment of public schools? Let me answer that for you...YES. I never said that it was the entire cause of the problem, but by you having your kid in a private christian school along with thousands of others, it definitely contributes to the problem. What you have done is no answer to the overall problem. Schools are most always made of up of cliques. My son graduated from JCM and to be honest it is probably perceived by most as being the worst of the public schools in Jackson. Yet, there were plenty enough good kids with moral fiber there (no thanks to the christian private schools) for him to enjoy his years there. And you know what? He doesn`t drink, do drugs,smoke...I mean just what is it that christians are so darn afraid of?

 

Witnessing...Every church that I have been involved with uses their youth to witness. I have no idea what kind of church you attend (I`m a Baptist) but there is all types of ways to witness. Maybe you don`t think youth should go on missionary trips. Maybe you don`t think they should go on youth visitation. Maybe you don`t think that youth choirs should go to the mall and give a free concert. Maybe you don`t think that your kid should invite someone from school to visit with them at Wednesday night youth service. Man you have it all so wrong the way you have described it Baldcoach. The church encourages youth to be a witness for Christ. Witnessing doesn`t mean handing out tracts and quoting Bible verses. Your kid can be a witness in public school just by acting in a Christ-like manner.

 

I guess Daniel wasted his time in the lion`s den and the fact that young David stood up to Goliath meant nothing.

 

Lastly....Please don`t get on here and try to proclaim that christian schools are better than public schools. Guess what...they still have drinkers, dope users, foul mouths, and kids that have sex. Spending 6,000 bucks and sending your kid to a school that invokes Christ`s name doesn`t change that. Trust me I know cause even though stuff from private schools may not make the paper like they might at a public school, the same things go on.

 

People always complain about kids at public schools whose parents just don`t care about them and are not involved enough. Well it`s that same involvement that you have as a christian parent that makes the difference in your childs life. You shouldn`t need school to do the job of what yourself and your church should be doing. I know I didn`t. There are so many ways that your child`s christian values can be enhanced at a public school, but they are just missing out on them.

 

On a personal note, one day I was sitting on the tailgate of my pick up truck at Oman arena selling tickets on a Friday afternoon to a football jamboree for that evening. There was a teammate of my son sitting there with me as we waited for folks to drive up and buy tickets (JCM got to keep the money from tickets that were presold). Anyways, out of the blue he says to me...."(My son`s name) has it so good." I asked him what he meant. He said that his dad (me) was always there to support him. He said I`m always around anything that is going on. I come to all his games and stop by at practices. I`m involved in fundraising activities and just all around involved in other activities at school.

 

Now let me tell you, as an adult that meant the world to me. I saw right then what kind of an impact and an influence as an adult that I can have in kids lives. I never ever considered the fact that just doing what I felt was good for my kid was noticed by other kids. Yeah I know you claim that you are looking out for your child, but there is a world of opportunity for you to not only be a witness for Christ yourself, but to be a model for kids that REALLY need an alternative role model. Yeah..there are a lot of kids at public schools whose parent`s really should be involved more. But all these "christian" parents are abandoning wonderful opportunities to be beacons in kids lifes. You may think the Lord wants you to have your kid in a private school, but personally I think He would rather have you in a place that you can put your well intentioned efforts to a place that can help others that really need it.

[ftballfan3]

Christian schools are a bit hypocritical. I`m not trying to put them down or the decision of parents for sending them there, but the most popular reason you hear from parents for choosing them is because the government has taken Christ out of the schools. Well I submit that they are guilty of the exact same thing. It`s just my silly opinon, but Christ and Christian values do need to be in the public schools. By attending private Christian schools they are in esscence taking Christ out. Public schools need that influence amongst the student population. Being a Christian should NOT be the responsibiltiy of any school. It should be between the family and the church to nurture young Christians. The Bible says to go out and witness. How can you witness when you run away from the places you are needed most?

 

I guess some parents just think that there kid may learn things in public schools that may not be taught in christian schools...which some christians schools are prob. just as bad or worse than public schools....They also may want there kids to participate in bible classes daily which Christian schools offer...

[GREYRIDER]

You know, as a tax payer, I would vote to just do away with public school sports all together. Look at all of the ill feelings it is causing within our community. It is not worth it.

 

I cannot say that Private schools should do away with sports, because as a private entity using private funds, they can do what ever they want.

 

So instead of talking about D1's and D2's, 1.8 multipliers and lawsuits for recruiting, why not let public schools just teach the 3 R's and save all of the tax payers a huge amount of money and just get rid of public schools sports all together?

 

What do you say?!?!

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that is possibly the most irrational statement i have read in quite sometime

[sharptop]

it's going in that direction and the privates will be so glad.

[Bighurt]

it's going in that direction and the privates will be so glad.

GREYRIDER was wrong! This is the most irrational, uninformed statement ever. Why would the private schools be glad?

[15 NWTF 08]

I dont know if this has been mentioned, but the field maintnence on the football and baseball and softball field is done by Volunteers at mySchool. The coaches are paid by tax payers i guess. We make money off of the gate, concessions, and fund-raisers (booster club). Public school sports are something that has to be there, just private school would be horrrrrrrible.

[coachsmith81]

This entire discussion and the start of it seems to be coming from someone who more than likely either never played High School Athletics or 2 was a bench warmer for 4 years. If you do away with public school athletics more than half of the rual counties would not have enough money to run schools. Alot of the money that comes into the schools in rual areas are from the money making sports ex. Football and Basketball. If you dont want your child to go to a public school and stand on the sidelines like you then take him to a private school where he might do the same thing or star. Either way let things be the way they are. As a former public school athlete in metro nashville and now a coach at a private school in nashville i have seen both sides of the issue. The coaches including my self do not get paid nearly enough per the hours we put in every week of every year. And field maintance is most of the time done out of the pocket of the coaches. If you do not like it then move out of the state of Tennessee other wise sit up in the bleachers with everyone else and support your local team.