Debunking Myths

1moreDBmom · May 13, 2007

Top 40 Baseball Rule Myths

Put your brain to work and see if you can find the rules covering these myths? I love good detective work, so show me some proof that they really are false statements.

1. The hands are considered part of the bat.

2. The batter-runner must turn to his right after over-running first base.

3. If the batter breaks his wrists when swinging, it's a strike.

4. If a batted ball hits the plate first it's a foul ball.

5. The batter cannot be called out for interference if he is in the batter's box.

6. The ball is dead on a foul-tip.

7. The batter may not switch batter's boxes after two strikes.

8. The batter who batted out of order is the person declared out.

9. The batter may not overrun first base when he gets a base-on-balls.

10. The batter is out if he starts for the dugout before going to first after a dropped third strike.

11. If the batter does not pull the bat out of the strike zone while in the bunting position, it's an automatic strike.

12. The batter is out if a bunted ball hits the ground and bounces back up and hits the bat while the batter is holding the bat.

13. The batter is out if his foot touches the plate.

14. The batter-runner is always out if he runs outside the running lane after a bunted ball.

15. A runner is out if he slaps hands or high-fives other players, after a homerun is hit over the fence.

16. Tie goes to the runner.

17. The runner gets the base he's going to, plus one on a ball thrown out-of-play.

18. Anytime a coach touches a runner, the runner is out.

19. Runners may never run the bases in reverse order.

20. The runner must always slide when the play is close.

21. The runner is always safe when hit by a batted ball while touching a base.

22. A runner may not steal on a foul-tip.

23. It is a force out when a runner is called out for not tagging up on a fly ball.

24. An appeal on a runner who missed a base cannot be a force out.

25. A runner is out if he runs out of the baseline to avoid a fielder who is fielding a batted ball.

26. Runners may not advance when an infield fly is called.

27. No run can score when a runner is called out for the third out for not tagging up.

28. A pitch that bounces to the plate cannot be hit.

29. The batter does not get first base if hit by a pitch after it bounces.

30. If a fielder holds a fly ball for 2 seconds it's a catch.

31. You must tag the base with your foot on a force out or appeal.

32. The ball is always immediately dead on a balk.

33. If a player's feet are in fair territory when the ball is touched, it is a fair ball.

34. The ball must always be returned to the pitcher before an appeal can be made.

35. With no runners on base, it is a ball if the pitcher starts his windup and then stops.

36. The pitcher must come to a set position before a pick-off throw.

37. The pitcher must step off the rubber before a pick-off throw.

38. If a fielder catches a fly ball and then falls over the fence it is a homerun.

39. The ball is dead anytime an umpire is hit by the ball.

40. The home plate umpire can overrule the other umps at anytime.

ihavenofriendzz · May 13, 2007

QUOTE(1moreDBmom @ May 13 2007 - 01:02 AM) 826458282[/snapback]Top 40 Baseball Rule Myths

6. The ball is dead on a foul-tip.

22. A runner may not steal on a foul-tip.

26. Runners may not advance when an infield fly is called.

19. Runners may never run the bases in reverse order.

Official Rules: 2.00 Definition of Terms

A FOUL TIP is a batted ball that goes sharp and direct from the bat to the catcher's hands and is legally caught. It is not a foul tip unless caught and any foul tip that is caught is a strike, and the ball is in play. It is not a catch if it is a rebound, unless the ball has first touched the catcher's glove or hand.

Obviously if a foul tip is considered in play the runner is not forced to go back to his original base.

An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out. The pitcher, catcher and any outfielder who stations himself in the infield on the play shall be considered infielders for the purpose of this rule.

When it seems apparent that a batted ball will be an Infield Fly, the umpire shall immediately declare "Infield Fly" for the benefit of the runners. If the ball is near the baselines, the umpire shall declare "Infield Fly, if Fair".

The ball is alive and runners may advance at the risk of the ball being caught, or retouch and advance after the ball is touched, the same as on any fly ball. If the hit becomes a foul ball, it is treated the same as any foul.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...ion_terms_2.jsp

Official Rules: 7.00 The Runner

7.02

In advancing, a runner shall touch first, second, third and home base in order. If forced to return, he shall retouch all bases in reverse order, unless the ball is dead under any provision of Rule 5.09. In such cases, the runner may go directly to his original base.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/offic...es/runner_7.jsp

davidlimbaugh · May 13, 2007

Here is a great example of how folks watch the Braves on TV and try to take those rules to the high school baseball field:

"32. The ball is always immediately dead on a balk."

http://www.amateurumpire.com/others/rs/rs12.htm

Another major difference is the enforcement of the a balk. All balks under NF rules causes the ball to become dead immediately. If a balk is called and the pitch is still thrown, even if the ball is hit for a home run or it touches the batter, it is dead. The runners are awarded one base, and the batter must continue his at bat with the same count.

Another big difference most parents/fans don't know:

When on defense, a team may be granted not more than three charged conferences during an entire seven-inning game, without penalty, to permit coaches to confer with a defensive player. In an extra inning game, each team shall be permitted one charged conference each extra inning while on defense without penalty. The number of charged conferences permitted is not cumulative. Once a team has used its initial three charged conferences in seven innings or less, or its one conference in an extra inning, another conference will require the pitcher to be removed as pitcher.

riverdaleman · May 13, 2007

if i had a dollar everytime a coach or assistant coach yelled at me about a balk on number 36 i would be a rich man right now..you only have to come set or to a stop BEFORE YOU GO HOME you do not have to stop to throw to first or anyother bag ONLY HOME

I ALSO DIDNT SEE THAT THE TIE GOES TO THE RUNNER you must BEAT THE ball to be safe there is no tie you either beat the ball or you didnt

putboobieincoach · May 13, 2007

to my understanding, isnt all of home plate in fair territory???

doodle_bug_1111 · May 13, 2007

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Top 40 Baseball Rule Myths

1. HANDS MYTH.

The hands are considered part of the bat.

The hands are part of a person's body. If a pitch hits the batter's hands the ball is dead; if he swung at the pitch, a strike is called (NOT a foul). If he was avoiding the pitch, he is awarded first base.

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2. RIGHT TURN MYTH.

The batter-runner must turn to his right after over-running first base. The batter-runner may turn left or right, provided that if he turns left he does not make an attempt to advance. An attempt is a judgment made by the umpire. The requirement is that the runner must immediately return to first after overrunning or oversliding it.

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3. BREAKING WRISTS MYTH.

If the batter breaks his wrists when swinging, it's a strike. A strike is a judgment by the umpire as to whether the batter attempted to strike the ball. Breaking the wrists, or the barrel of the bat crossing the plate are simply guides to making the judgment of an attempt, these are not rules.

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4. HIT PLATE MYTH.

If a batted ball hits the plate first it's a foul ball. The plate is in fair territory. There is nothing special about it. If a batted ball hits it, it is treated like any other batted ball.

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5. BATTER BOX INTERFERENCE MYTH.

The batter cannot be out for interference if he is in the batter's box. The batter's box is not a safety zone. A batter could be called out for interference if the umpire judges that interference could or should have been avoided.

The batter is protected while in the box for a short period of time. After he has had time to react to the play he could be called for interference if he does not move out of the box and interferes with a play. Many people believe the batter's box is a safety zone for the batter. It is not. The batter MAY be called out for interference although he is within the box. The key words, impede, hinder, confuse or obstruct apply to this situation. An umpire must use good judgment. The batter cannot be expected to disappear. If he has a chance to avoid interference after he has had time to react to the situation and does not, he is guilty. If he just swung at a pitch, or had to duck a pitch and is off-balance, he can't reasonably be expected to then immediately avoid a play at the plate. However, after some time passes, if a play develops at the plate, the batter must get out of the box and avoid interference. The batter should always be called out when he makes contact and is outside the box.

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6. FOUL-TIP MYTH.

The ball is dead on a foul-tip. There is nothing foul about a foul-tip. If the ball nicks the bat and goes sharp and direct to the catcher's hand or glove and is caught, this is a foul-tip by definition. A foul-tip is a strike and the ball is alive. It is the same as a swing-and-miss. If the ball is not caught, it is a foul ball. If the nicked pitch first hits the catcher somewhere other than the hand or glove, it is not a foul-tip, it is a foul ball.

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7. SWITCH BOX MYTH.

The batter may not switch batter's boxes after two strikes. The batter can switch boxes at any time, provided he does not do it after the pitcher is ready to pitch.

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8. OUT OF ORDER MYTH.

The batter who batted out of order is the person declared out. The PROPER batter is the one called out. Any hit or advance made by the batter or runners due to the hit, walk, error or other reason is nullified. The next batter is the one who follows the proper batter who was called out.

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9. OVER-RUN FIRST BASE MYTH.

The batter may not overrun first base when he gets a base-on-balls. Rule 7.08 simply states that a batter-runner must immediately return after overrunning first base. It doesn't state any exceptions as to how the player became a runner. It could be a hit, walk, error or dropped third strike. In Little League the runner may overrun. In FED rules he may not and in Professional baseball, he may not. In other programs that use the OBR he may if that is how the program rules it. To overrun means that the runners momentum carried him straight beyond the base after touching it. It does not mean to turn and attempt to advance. Nor does it mean that he stepped over it or stopped on it and then got off of it.

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10. DROPPED THIRD STRIKE MYTH.

The batter is out if he starts for the dugout before going to first. The batter may attempt first base anytime prior to entering the dugout or a dead ball area.

The batter becomes a runner when the third strike is not caught. Therefore, if there are 2 outs and there is a runner at first, first and second, or bases loaded, the batter creates a force by becoming a runner. These runners are all forced to advance and an out may be obtained by making a play on any one of them. If the bases are loaded the catcher may step on home or throw to third, second or first.

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11. BUNTING STRIKE MYTH.

If the batter does not pull the bat out of the zone while bunting, it's a strike. A STRIKE is an attempt to hit the ball. Simply holding the bat over the plate is not an attempt. This is umpire judgment.

A BUNT is a batted ball not swung at, but INTENTIONALLY met with the bat.

The key words are "intentionally met"

If no attempt is made to make contact with a ball outside the strike zone, it should be called a ball. An effort must be made to intentionally meet the ball with the bat.

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12. SECOND BAT HIT MYTH.

The batter is out if a bunted ball hits the ground and bounces back up and hits the bat while the batter is holding the bat. The rule says the BAT cannot hit the ball a second time. When the BALL hits the bat, it is not an out. Also, when the batter is still in the box when this happens, it's treated as simply a foul ball. If the batter is out of the box and the bat is over fair territory when the second hit occurs, the batter would be out.

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13. FOOT TOUCHES PLATE MYTH.

The batter is out if his foot touches the plate. To be out, the batter's foot must be ENTIRELY outside the box when he contacts the pitch and the ball goes fair or foul. He is not out if he does not contact the pitch. There is no statement about touching the plate. The toe could be on the plate and the heel could be touching the line of the box, which means the foot is not entirely outside the box.

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14. RUNNING LANE MYTH.

The batter-runner is always out if he runs outside the running lane after a bunted ball. The runner must be out of the lane AND cause interference. He is not out simply for being outside the lane. He could be called for interference even while in the lane. This is a judgment call.

The runner may step out of the lane a step or two before the base if he moves from within the lane to out of it. If he is out of the lane the whole distance to the base and is hit with a throw, he should be out.

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15. HIGH FIVE MYTH.

A runner is out if he slaps hands with other players, after a homerun is hit over the fence. The ball is dead on a homerun over the fence. You can't be put out while the ball is dead except when you pass another runner.

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16. THE TIE MYTH.

Tie goes to the runner. There is no such thing in the world of umpiring. The runner is either out or safe. The umpire must judge out or safe. It is impossible to judge a tie.

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17. OUT-OF-PLAY BALL MYTH.

The runner gets the base he's going to, plus one on a ball thrown out-of-play. When a fielder other than the pitcher throws the ball into dead ball area, the award is 2 bases. The award is from where the runners were at the time of the pitch if it is the first play by an infielder before all runners have advanced or from where each runner was physically positioned at the time the ball left the throwers hand on all other plays.

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18. COACH TOUCH MYTH.

Anytime a coach touches a runner, the runner is out. Rule 7.09 says the runner is out if the coach PHYSICALLY ASSISTS the runner. Hand slaps, back pats or simple touches are not physical assists.

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19. REVERSE BASERUNNING MYTH.

Runners may never run the bases in reverse order. In order to correct a base running mistake, the runner MUST retrace his steps and retouch the bases in reverse order. The only time a runner is out for running in reverse, is when he is making a travesty of the game or tries to confuse the defense.

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20. MUST SLIDE MYTH.

The runner must always slide when the play is close. There is no "must slide" rule. When the fielder has the ball in his possession, the runner has two choices; slide OR attempt to get around the fielder. He may NOT deliberately or maliciously contact the fielder, but he is NOT required to slide. If the fielder does not have possession but, is in the act of fielding, and contact is made, it is a no-call unless the contact was intentional and malicious.

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21. HIT BY BALL ON BASE MYTH.

The runner is always safe when hit by a batted ball while touching a base. The bases are in fair territory. A runner is out when hit by a fair batted ball while touching a base, except when hit by an infield-fly or after the ball has passed a fielder and no other fielder had a play on the ball. If the runner is touching first or third, he is not out unless the ball touches him over fair territory. If one foot is on the base and the other is in foul ground and he is hit on the foul ground foot, he is not out. It is a foul ball. (If the ball has not passed beyond first or third.)

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22. NO STEAL ON FOUL-TIP MYTH.

A runner may not steal on a foul-tip. There is nothing foul about a foul-tip. If the ball nicks the bat and goes to the catcher's glove and is caught, this is a foul-tip by definition. A foul-tip is a strike and the ball is alive. It is the same as a swing-and-miss. If the ball is not caught, it is a foul ball.

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23. FLY BALL FORCE OUT MYTH.

It is a force out when a runner is called out for not tagging up on a fly ball. A force play is when a runner is forced to advance because the batter became a runner. When the batter is out on a caught fly, all forces are removed. An out on an a failure to tag-up, is NOT a force out. Any runs that cross the plate before this out will count.

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24. MISSED BASE APPEAL MYTH.

An appeal on a runner who missed a base cannot be a force out. A runner must touch all the bases. If the runner misses a base to which he was forced because the batter became a runner and is put out before touching that base, the out is still a force play. If this is the third out, no runs may score. The base can be touched or the runner can be touched, either way it's a force out.

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25. OUT OF THE BASELINE MYTH.

A runner’s out if he’s out of the baseline to avoid a fielder fielding a batted ball. The runner MUST avoid a fielder attempting to field a BATTED ball. A runner is out for running out of the baseline, only when attempting to avoid a tag.

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26. NO ADVANCE ON INFIELD FLY MYTH.

Runners may not advance when an infield fly is called. An Infield-fly is no different than any other fly ball in regard to the runners. The only difference is that they are never forced to advance because the batter is out whether the ball is caught or not.

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27. NO RUN ON THIRD OUT MYTH.

No run can score when a runner is called out for the third out for not tagging up. Yes it can. This is not a force play. A force play is when a runner is forced to advance because the batter became a runner. When the batter is out on a caught fly, all forces are removed. An out on an a failure to tag-up, is NOT a force out. Any runs that cross the plate before this out will count.

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28. NO HIT ON BOUNCED PITCH MYTH.

A pitch that bounces to the plate cannot be hit. A pitch is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. It doesn't matter how it gets to the batter. The batter may hit any pitch that is thrown. A pitch that bounces before reaching the plate may never be a called strike or a legally caught third strike. (If the ball does not cross the foul line, it is not a pitch.)

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29. NO FIRST BASE ON BOUNCED PITCH MYTH.

The batter does not get first base if hit by a pitch after it bounces. A pitch is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. It doesn't matter how it gets to the batter. If the batter is hit by a pitch while attempting to avoid it, he is awarded first base.

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30. TWO SECOND CATCH MYTH.

If a fielder holds a fly ball for two seconds it's a catch. A catch is legal when the umpire judges that the fielder has COMPLETE control of the ball. The release of the ball must be voluntary and intentional.

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31. FOOT TAG MYTH.

You must tag the base with your foot on a force out or appeal. You can tag a base with ANY part of the body.

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32. DEAD BALL ON BALK MYTH.

The ball is always immediately dead on a balk. In Federation rules it is, not in any others. If a throw or pitch is made after the balk call, the ball is delayed dead. At the end of the play the balk may be enforced or not depending on what happened. On a throw; if ALL runners advance on the play, the balk is ignored. If not, the balk award is enforced from the time of pitch. On a pitch; if ALL runners INCLUDING the batter, advance on the play, the balk is ignored. Otherwise, it is no-pitch and the balk award is made from the time of the pitch.

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33. FAIR FEET, FAIR BALL MYTH.

If a player's feet are in fair territory when the ball is touched, it is a fair ball. The position of the player's feet or any other part of the body is irrelevant. A ball is judged fair or foul based on the relationship between the ball and the ground at the time the ball is touched by the fielder.

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34. APPEAL MYTH.

The ball must always be returned to the pitcher before an appeal can be made. An appeal may be made anytime the ball is alive. The only time the ball must go to the pitcher, is when time is out. The ball cannot be made live until the pitcher has the ball while on the rubber and the umpire says "Play." If time is not out, the appeal can be made immediately.

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35. FALSE WINDUP MYTH.

With no runners on base, it is a ball if the pitcher starts his windup and then stops. A pitch is a ball delivered to the batter by the pitcher. If the ball is not delivered, it is not a pitch. Therefore it cannot be a ball. If this happens with runners on base it is a balk. The rule for LL is different. It is an illegal pitch and a ball with or without runners on base.

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36. MUST SET TO PICK MYTH.

The pitcher must come to a set position before a pick-off throw. The pitcher is required to come to a complete stop in the Set position before delivering the pitch, not before making a throw.

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37. MUST STEP OFF RUBBER TO PICK MYTH.

The pitcher must step off the rubber before a pick-off throw. If the pitcher steps off the rubber he is no longer the pitcher, he is a fielder. He can throw to a base from the rubber, provided he does not break any of the rules under rule 8.05.

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38. FIELDER OVER THE FENCE HOMERUN MYTH.

If a fielder catches a fly and then falls over a fence it is a homerun. As long as the fielder is not touching the ground in dead ball territory when he catches the ball, it is a legal catch if he holds onto the ball and meets the definition of a catch. If the catch is not the third out and the fielder falls down in dead ball territory after catching the ball, all runners are awarded one base. If the fielder remains on his feet in dead ball territory after the catch, the ball is alive and he may make a play.

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39. DEAD BALL WHEN UMPIRE IS HIT MYTH.

The ball is dead anytime an umpire is hit by the ball. If an umpire is hit by a batted ball before it passes a fielder, the ball is dead. On any other batted or thrown ball, the ball is alive when the umpire is hit with the ball. Umpire interference also occurs when the plate umpire interferes with the catcher's attempt to prevent a stolen base.

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40. HOME PLATE UMPIRE MYTH.

The home plate umpire can overrule the other umps at anytime. The umpire who made a call or ruling may ask for help if he wishes.

utilityplayer00 · May 13, 2007

the hands are considered part of the bat, this has happened to me before with being hit in the hands, the ump yelled foul ball and we continued the bat.

the batters box is for the batter, interference cannot be called. this again happened to be, a runner from my team ran to third and i was in the box and made no attempt to move. the cather threw the ball away and the coach of the team said i was in the way. the umps met and discussed that there's no rule about the batter having to leave the box seeing as how it is the spot he is supposed to stay.

after a dropped third strike a batter can be called out if he leaves the baseline.

no part of the batter can be out of the box when he makes contact, if noticed the batter is out.

on a ball thrown out a play the runner gets one baseball and if he is on his way to one he gets that one plus another.

the runners may advance on a infield fly, this rule only is there for the fielders. the only one out of an infield fly is the batter, so therefore if the ball is not caught the runners may advance.

a pitch that bounces may be hit. there is no rule saying it is dead. the batter can swing and hit any ball that is thrown.

the pitcher does not have to come set the pick off, the only time he has to come set is before he goes to the plate.

doodle_bug_1111 · May 14, 2007

Better find an ump that knows the rules!

the hands are considered part of the bat, this has happened to me before with being hit in the hands, the ump yelled foul ball and we continued the bat.

Pretty good but I've never seen a bat with hands.Rule 2.00 and 6.05

Hands are not part of the bat. If ball hits hands while in strike zone or swinging it is a strike.

the batters box is for the batter, interference cannot be called. this again happened to be, a runner from my team ran to third and i was in the box and made no attempt to move. the cather threw the ball away and the coach of the team said i was in the way. the umps met and discussed that there's no rule about the batter having to leave the box seeing as how it is the spot he is supposed to stay.

There are no "safety zones" on the field. See rule 7.11 which states that the offense must vacate all space necessary for a fielder to make a play. You cannot have interference unless somebody is making a play. A play is a throw, attempted throw, or attempted tag of a runner or of a base for a force out.

The batter's box, the coach's box, the running lane, the dugout and the base path are not automatic safety zones. An offensive team member MAY be called out for interference in some situations while occupying any of these spaces.

1moreDBmom · May 14, 2007

QUOTE(riverdaleman @ May 13 2007 - 02:57 AM) 826458318[/snapback]if i had a dollar everytime a coach or assistant coach yelled at me about a balk on number 36 i would be a rich man right now..you only have to come set or to a stop BEFORE YOU GO HOME you do not have to stop to throw to first or anyother bag ONLY HOME

I ALSO DIDNT SEE THAT THE TIE GOES TO THE RUNNER you must BEAT THE ball to be safe there is no tie you either beat the ball or you didnt

Riverdaleman my dear friend... you missed a golden opportunity.

You did bring up the "tie goes to the runner" myth but your answer was not as clear as it could have been. Somehow I expected more from you on this one!

For those who don't know, there is not a rule in the book regarding ties for the simple reason that there is never going to be a tie in baseball except on the score board.

I have never see an umpire calling a play at first base(or any base for that matter) yell.... "that right there is a tie boys, now let's flip a coin to see who is gonna win the call!) An umpire therefore never sees a tie...he either sees the foot hit and hears the pop of ball against leather, or hears the ball hit leather and then sees the foot hit.

Pop plop or plop pop...and makes his call accordingly...no tie envolved.

riverdaleman · May 14, 2007

QUOTE(1moreDBmom @ May 14 2007 - 01:06 PM) 826458958[/snapback]Riverdaleman my dear friend... you missed a golden opportunity.

You did bring up the "tie goes to the runner" myth but your answer was not as clear as it could have been. Somehow I expected more from you on this one!

For those who don't know, there is not a rule in the book regarding ties for the simple reason that there is never going to be a tie in baseball except on the score board.

I have never see an umpire calling a play at first base(or any base for that matter) yell.... "that right there is a tie boys, now let's flip a coin to see who is gonna win the call!) An umpire therefore never sees a tie...he either sees the foot hit and hears the pop of ball against leather, or hears the ball hit leather and then sees the foot hit.

Pop plop or plop pop...and makes his call accordingly...no tie envolved.

i did say that you have to beat the ball not tie with the ball LOL

ut18vols · May 14, 2007

QUOTE(putboobieincoach @ May 13 2007 - 09:03 AM) 826458357[/snapback]to my understanding, isnt all of home plate in fair territory???

Yes you extend the foul lines all the way through the batter box and it is even with the slants on the home plate which makes all of home plate fair

1moreDBmom · May 14, 2007

QUOTE(riverdaleman @ May 14 2007 - 03:18 PM) 826458960[/snapback]i did say that you have to beat the ball not tie with the ball LOL

Yeah, so I gave you partial credit for being right... you just didn't get the bonus points for being witty!!!

But you know I luv ya anyways!

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