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TNT State Tournament

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TNT State Tournament - First Round

 

Class A

 

Jr. Pioneers (Yorkville/Spring Hill) v. Big Sandy - 2/2

Palmer v. Lobelville - 2/2

Hilham v. McFadden - 2/8

Lakeview v. Coker Creek - 2/9

Allons v. Winner of Lobelville/Palmer - 2/9

 

Class AA

 

Carroll-Oakland v. Trinity Christian Academy - 2/2

McEwen v. Crab Orchard - 2/2

Linden v. St. Joseph - 2/9

Pickett County v. Sacred Heart - 2/14

 

Class AAA

 

Livingston v. Fort Loudoun - 2/2

Medina v. Houston County - 2/2

Jasper v. Waverly - 2/8

Waynesboro v. FBC Champions - 2/9

 

Class AAAA

 

Richview v. Springfield - 2/1

Hunter v. Winner of Richview/Springfield - 2/2

Macon County v. Fairview - 2/2

David Lipscomb v. Sunset - 2/2

Ocoee v. Winner of David Lipscomb/Sunset - 2/8

Rhea County Central v. Stewart County - 2/8

Decatur County v. Winner of Rhea County Central/Stewart County - 2/9

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Not a true state tourney. It is not sanctioned by the state association. Most If not all Tmsaa schools do not participate which is over half the schools in the state. They dont participate because Tmsaa puts on the state sectional tourneys which are divided into west, middle, and east. TNT is a fun tourney but lets not get it mixed up with a "state tourney". Winners will be introduced at the TSSAA state tournaments. From past experience the Tmsaa sectional tourneys have tougher competition than the TNT tourney as well. This is probably caused by the 5 divisions in TNT with only 2 divisions in the Tmsaa. Anyway, both great experiences for our young ballers. I would like to see all middle schools join Tmsaa and participate in the sectional championships.

 

sbl

 

 

Pt guard ------come seeus at the West Tn Sectional Tourney at Martin in about Ten days. Starts next saturday. Tell me what you think after ya see Lake County MS play.

 

sbl

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Not a true state tourney. It is not sanctioned by the state association. Most If not all Tmsaa schools do not participate which is over half the schools in the state. They dont participate because Tmsaa puts on the state sectional tourneys which are divided into west, middle, and east. TNT is a fun tourney but lets not get it mixed up with a "state tourney". Winners will be introduced at the TSSAA state tournaments. From past experience the Tmsaa sectional tourneys have tougher competition than the TNT tourney as well. This is probably caused by the 5 divisions in TNT with only 2 divisions in the Tmsaa. Anyway, both great experiences for our young ballers. I would like to see all middle schools join Tmsaa and participate in the sectional championships.

 

 

Actually, I've done some research on this, and I found that the number of teams statewide who do not participate in postseason TMSAA Tournaments is greater than those who do, or it was three years ago. Alot of really good teams won't participate in either as they stop after a county tournament or conference tournament. The topic got the name of a "State" tournament by me becuase that is what the tournament calls itself and what most people identify it as.

 

sbl

Pt guard ------come seeus at the West Tn Sectional Tourney at Martin in about Ten days. Starts next saturday. Tell me what you think after ya see Lake County MS play.

 

sbl

 

 

I am going to try, I should be able to catch one day up there. Hope they are playing on that day.

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Actually, I've done some research on this, and I found that the number of teams statewide who do not participate in postseason TMSAA Tournaments is greater than those who do, or it was three years ago. Alot of really good teams won't participate in either as they stop after a county tournament or conference tournament. The topic got the name of a "State" tournament by me becuase that is what the tournament calls itself and what most people identify it as.

I am going to try, I should be able to catch one day up there. Hope they are playing on that day.

 

 

LCMS plays on Feb 2, if they win Feb 6, if they win Feb 8 game times for the first game each night is 6pm.

 

sbl

 

 

I knew that TNT called itself TNT State Tournament that you had not "invented" that yourself. We have played in TNT in the past but in the last 8 or 10 years Tmsaa members were not allowed to participate or they had to choose cant remember which. Because of travel distance and also now that we have been to both the competition is tougher we continue to go Tmsaa which the winners of this tourney get introduced at the TSSAA HS State Tourney. They also getpostedon the Tssaa web site. It seems to me that TNT calling itself a "STATE" tourney is out dated now that the actual state association sponsors a sectional tourney for west --- middle----east. It probably should be called in invitational because you apply for the tourney and by the directors judging won -loss record they decide to invite you or not. Not really a state tourney format. Tmsaa sectionals go through conference tourneys---area tourneys-----and then sectional tourneys----there are stipulations such as top four or top two move on -----much like district and regional at the HS level. Anyway, just my observations I could be wrong on the competition factor who knows----If you get a chance to see them give me a shout let me know.

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I've heard that there is an 8th grader from one of the teams participating that is already being looked at by UT. Is that correct?

 

 

Participating in which tourney? Who might you be refering to?

 

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LCMS plays on Feb 2, if they win Feb 6, if they win Feb 8 game times for the first game each night is 6pm.

 

sbl

I knew that TNT called itself TNT State Tournament that you had not "invented" that yourself. We have played in TNT in the past but in the last 8 or 10 years Tmsaa members were not allowed to participate or they had to choose cant remember which. Because of travel distance and also now that we have been to both the competition is tougher we continue to go Tmsaa which the winners of this tourney get introduced at the TSSAA HS State Tourney. They also getpostedon the Tssaa web site. It seems to me that TNT calling itself a "STATE" tourney is out dated now that the actual state association sponsors a sectional tourney for west --- middle----east. It probably should be called in invitational because you apply for the tourney and by the directors judging won -loss record they decide to invite you or not. Not really a state tourney format. Tmsaa sectionals go through conference tourneys---area tourneys-----and then sectional tourneys----there are stipulations such as top four or top two move on -----much like district and regional at the HS level. Anyway, just my observations I could be wrong on the competition factor who knows----If you get a chance to see them give me a shout let me know.

 

 

Like I said, the competition seems to differ depending on the year. From what I have seen, the James C. Haile is almost always a little tougher than TNT and together those two are sometimes stronger than the teams that play TMSAA sectionals and sometimes they are not. Talent runs in cycles at the middle school level, just as it does at the high school level, and some years TMSAA teams have better talent, and others non-TMSAA teams have better talent. Now, I do feel like you will typically find that the larger the middle schools (feeders to Class AAA schools), the more likely they are to play TMSAA (slightly under half of them statewide). Class AA feeder programs are about half-and-half as well, especially here in Middle Tennessee. Very few Class A feeder programs play. Looking at districts from Middle and West Tennessee, you will see that in Districts 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13, only three, possibly four, of the total amount of middle schools that feed all of those high schools play TMSAA that I am aware of. Now quite a few of them do register with TMSAA for insurance purposes, but they do not participate in post-season tournaments. In 14A, Lake, Union City, Humboldt, Halls, and Trenton's teams play I believe, and the others do not. In 15A, I think only Adamsville's middle school team plays TMSAA, and I'm not even positive that they still do.

 

So, as you can see there are alot of teams out there that do not play TMSAA. All I am saying is that you can never really say that the teams in TMSAA are better than those that are not, because the majority of teams do not play TMSAA and their are way to many other circumstances to consider as well. And playing in the TMSAA has nothing to do with future high school success either. In fact, if you look at the current top teams in Class A for example, of the current Top 10, only two, maybe three (not sure about Middleton), of them have a feeder program that plays in post-season TMSAA tournaments.

 

This is a very interesting topic, one that probably needs research done by the TSSAA. There is tons of money to make and we all know how much TSSAA cares about their money. They need to somehow find a way to pull all middle schools under them and give the middle schools a chance to compete with one another based on size and location. However, that is probably just a pipe-dream.

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It may not be the "State" to us, but I can tell you that these kids enjoy playing other schools that we typicaly don't get to play. We have 3-4 teams here in Overton County that is not associated with the tmsaa that I would say they could compete with at least 90% of the states middle school teams. I say 90% only because I don't get to see a lot of programs. But, what I have seen in the Upper Cumberland are some of the best players around. I am not saying there are not better players out there, I mean as a whole. The competition is pretty good night in and night out. And from my experience, if you can compete with these teams: Jackson County, Cookeville, Livingston Middle School, Allons, Hlham, Rickman, Cornerstone, Celina just to name of few, you can compete with most, if not all, of the teams of the state.

 

ptguard, you are right by saying that beacuse you are not sanctioned by the tmsaa, that your feeder program(s) do not help the high school programs. Here in Overton County, Livingston Middle, Hilham, Rickman, and Allons provide great talent for Livingston Academy without sanctioning. We all know that LA is powerhouse in AA basketball that can compete most years with alot of you AAA programs.

 

Allons, Rickman, Hilham, and LMS have all won one or both of the James C. Haile or TNT State tournaments in previous years and as recent as last year (Hilham TNT) and not one program has said they won the state. If they hang banners, it does not read "State Champs", it reads the name of the tounament followed by "Champions". Besides, alot of years here in Overton County, it is tougher to win the County Tounament than it is/was to win the "State" tournaments. For instance Hilham was third or fouth last year in the county.

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Participating in which tourney? Who might you be refering to?

 

sbl

 

This summer my daughter went to a showcase in Murfreesboro and I saw this 6'1 girl handling the ball like a gaurd. Was told she went to Richview Middle school and was being looked at by UT and some other schools. When I saw Richview was playing in the TNT tournament I wondered if that same girl was playing. Last name is Gray or Graves can't remember exactly.

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This summer my daughter went to a showcase in Murfreesboro and I saw this 6'1 girl handling the ball like a gaurd. Was told she went to Richview Middle school and was being looked at by UT and some other schools. When I saw Richview was playing in the TNT tournament I wondered if that same girl was playing. Last name is Gray or Graves can't remember exactly.

 

Her name is Bashaara she plays for Richview. She has received some letters from A lot of different schools in cluding UT but I don't know exactly how close they are looking at her being that she is only 13.

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Her name is Bashaara she plays for Richview. She has received some letters from A lot of different schools in cluding UT but I don't know exactly how close they are looking at her being that she is only 13.

 

Pretty impressive, but is that legal?

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ptguard12, our girls put on a show tonight against "undefeated" Big Sandy. Big Sandy was 15-0. Final was 51-31 with the Jr. Lady Pioneers winning. Megan Porter came out and hit three 3's in the first half, she finished with 18 in the game. Big Sandy could not handle the full court pressure tonight. Our girls looked very good tonight! Let me know if you head up there next Saturday. I know the Jr. Lady Pioneers and Pioneers will be playing at the Center at 4:45 I believe.

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