Private vs Public

[WTBaller]

Actually, your statement about moving to 3A in football is incorrect. Goodpasture was the only other school that may have moved up to 3A in football in 2004. Their multiplied number was 666 (ironic number but I digress) which was right on the 2A/3A cut line. Gibson County at 647 was placed in 2A and Cheatham County and Frayser with 667 were placed in 3A. In 2006, CAK would have been moved to 3A if not for the "one class" clause. USJ in 2006 had a multiplied number (680) that would have places them in 3A football but only schools with an increase of 20% such as JCS and Liberty Tech were re-classified in 2006.

 

 

Maybe so......but the way I understood it was that you could not move up more than one class during one classification period (which I understood as 4 years)? USJ moved up from 1A because of the multiplier, therefore could not be bumped up to 3A during the same 4 year period even though the 2006 numbers indicate they should be. Maybe not what I said.....but that's what I meant. I did not mean initially in 2004.

 

Bottom line.....if the 2006 numbers were to hold true for 2009...and...TSSAA leaves things the way they are...USJ would move up to 3A....right?

 

How does the % increase factor in to all the reclassificaion. Just wondering because I do run across numbers that have not made since to me on the TSSAA website? Would appreciate any info.

 

Thanks

[WTBaller]

They wouldn't have to split it equally. Years ago they had a set cut off number for A, AA and AAA. They could have a cutoff of a round number such as 500, everyone below it is Class A, everyone above it is AA. AA would basically be the current Division II, AA schools such as MBA, with a few more such as Lipscomb possibly added.

 

 

I see your point....I was not sure exactly how they come up with everything. What you outlined above seems to be the best solution out there.....THEREFORE......I am sure it will never happen!

 

This is all giving me a headache! Gonna home-school and form my own Organization!

 

Later

[Bighurt]

Maybe so......but the way I understood it was that you could not move up more than one class during one classification period (which I understood as 4 years)? USJ moved up from 1A because of the multiplier, therefore could not be bumped up to 3A during the same 4 year period even though the 2006 numbers indicate they should be. Maybe not what I said.....but that's what I meant. I did not mean initially in 2004.

 

Bottom line.....if the 2006 numbers were to hold true for 2009...and...TSSAA leaves things the way they are...USJ would move up to 3A....right?

 

How does the % increase factor in to all the reclassificaion. Just wondering because I do run across numbers that have not made since to me on the TSSAA website? Would appreciate any info.

 

Thanks

 

Your understanding about moving up only one class during the 4-year classification period is correct I think.

 

The 2007-09 enrollments numbers are here - 2007-2009 Classification Changes

[Antwan]

Maybe so......but the way I understood it was that you could not move up more than one class during one classification period (which I understood as 4 years)? USJ moved up from 1A because of the multiplier, therefore could not be bumped up to 3A during the same 4 year period even though the 2006 numbers indicate they should be. Maybe not what I said.....but that's what I meant. I did not mean initially in 2004.

 

Bottom line.....if the 2006 numbers were to hold true for 2009...and...TSSAA leaves things the way they are...USJ would move up to 3A....right?

 

How does the % increase factor in to all the reclassificaion. Just wondering because I do run across numbers that have not made since to me on the TSSAA website? Would appreciate any info.

 

Thanks

 

 

If the current 1.8 multiplier stays the same...USJ could move up to 3a in football. You are right on the line between 2a and 3a.

[MVM]

Your understanding about moving up only one class during the 4-year classification period is correct I think.

 

The 2007-09 enrollments numbers are here - 2007-2009 Classification Changes

 

 

WOW, Looks like the the largest pct change upward were with the Magnet and private schools. No conclusion here, just curious.

 

04 Enrollmen 06 Enrollment Total Pct Chg

187 Hume-Fogg Academic Magnet 462 847 847 83.1%

12 * St. George's High School 116 212 212 82.8%

66 White House-Heritage High 212 341 341 60.9%

33 * St. Benedict at Auburndale 495 776 776 56.8%

128 East Literature Magnet School 380 567 567 49.3%

81 * Trinity Christian Academy 272 214 385 41.7%

153 * Christian Academy of Knoxville 499 373 671 34.7%

3 * College Heights 55 73 73 32.7%

4 Liberty Technology Magnet High 765 1,007 1,007 31.6%

11 * F.C. Boyd, Sr. Christian School 88 64 115 30.6%

29 * Pope John Paul II High School 500 651 651 30.2%

82 Madison Academic Magnet High 299 387 387 29.6%

42 * Grace Academy of Knoxville 193 139 250 29.6%

6 * King's Academy 109 140 140 28.4%

139 Cumberland Gap High School 485 618 618 27.4%

13 * First Assembly Christian School 176 224 224 27.3%

201 Station Camp High School 717 906 906 26.4%

202 Siegel High School 1,390 1,753 1,753 26.1%

203 McGavock High School 2,055 2,592 2,592 26.1%

[WTBaller]

WOW, Looks like the the largest pct change upward were with the Magnet and private schools. No conclusion here, just curious.

 

04 Enrollmen 06 Enrollment Total Pct Chg

187 Hume-Fogg Academic Magnet 462 847 847 83.1%

12 * St. George's High School 116 212 212 82.8%

66 White House-Heritage High 212 341 341 60.9%

33 * St. Benedict at Auburndale 495 776 776 56.8%

128 East Literature Magnet School 380 567 567 49.3%

81 * Trinity Christian Academy 272 214 385 41.7%

153 * Christian Academy of Knoxville 499 373 671 34.7%

3 * College Heights 55 73 73 32.7%

4 Liberty Technology Magnet High 765 1,007 1,007 31.6%

11 * F.C. Boyd, Sr. Christian School 88 64 115 30.6%

29 * Pope John Paul II High School 500 651 651 30.2%

82 Madison Academic Magnet High 299 387 387 29.6%

42 * Grace Academy of Knoxville 193 139 250 29.6%

6 * King's Academy 109 140 140 28.4%

139 Cumberland Gap High School 485 618 618 27.4%

13 * First Assembly Christian School 176 224 224 27.3%

201 Station Camp High School 717 906 906 26.4%

202 Siegel High School 1,390 1,753 1,753 26.1%

203 McGavock High School 2,055 2,592 2,592 26.1%

 

 

Guess you are right.....but D1 privates (like Trinity Christain) on the list have the "multiplied" 2006 number compared to the "non-multiplied" 2004 number to figure the % increase (enrollment actually dropped). D2 does not......so it is a little misleading when looking at the D1 private's increase in enrollment.

 

Even the TSSAA admits that the trend you mentioned above will continue to go up........NOW is the time to address it once and for all.

[Bighurt]

Guess you are right.....but D1 privates (like Trinity Christain) on the list have the "multiplied" 2006 number compared to the "non-multiplied" 2004 number to figure the % increase (enrollment actually dropped). D2 does not......so it is a little misleading when looking at the D1 private's increase in enrollment.

 

Even the TSSAA admits that the trend you mentioned above will continue to go up........NOW is the time to address it once and for all.

 

The number on the left is the 2004 "multiplied" enrollment. The number in the middle is the 2006 enrollment and the number on the right is the 2006 "multiplied enrollment. For example, Trinity's multiplied 2004 enrollment was 272 (actual enrollment must have been about 151), 2006 actual enrollment was 214 and 2006 multipied enrollment was 385. The percentage increase is of 41.7 is 214 divided by 151.

[WTBaller]

The number on the left is the 2004 "multiplied" enrollment. The number in the middle is the 2006 enrollment and the number on the right is the 2006 "multiplied enrollment. For example, Trinity's multiplied 2004 enrollment was 272 (actual enrollment must have been about 151), 2006 actual enrollment was 214 and 2006 multipied enrollment was 385. The percentage increase is of 41.7 is 214 divided by 151.

 

 

You are right....my fault.

 

Hey, you never answered me earlier about how % increase plays in....."but only schools with an increase of 20% such as JCS and Liberty Tech were re-classified in 2006."?.

 

I have another question for anyone that might know. Enrollment figures include grades 9-12, right?

Are there still High Schools out there that are only 10-12 and how are they dealt with when it comes to classification?

May be a thing of the past.......not sure...just wandering?

[Bighurt]

You are right....my fault.

 

Hey, you never answered me earlier about how % increase plays in....."but only schools with an increase of 20% such as JCS and Liberty Tech were re-classified in 2006."?.

 

I have another question for anyone that might know. Enrollment figures include grades 9-12, right?

Are there still High Schools out there that are only 10-12 and how are they dealt with when it comes to classification?

May be a thing of the past.......not sure...just wandering?

 

I would assume the 2009 reclassification will start with a clean slate based on the decisions made this week if that is what you are asking.

 

As far as the 10-12 versus 9-12 schools, enrollment is not weighted. 9-12 or 10-12 all students are counted the same with the exception being the multplier for D1 "independent" schools.

[bigchief]

WOW, Looks like the the largest pct change upward were with the Magnet and private schools. No conclusion here, just curious.

 

04 Enrollmen 06 Enrollment Total Pct Chg

187 Hume-Fogg Academic Magnet 462 847 847 83.1%

12 * St. George's High School 116 212 212 82.8%

66 White House-Heritage High 212 341 341 60.9%

33 * St. Benedict at Auburndale 495 776 776 56.8%

128 East Literature Magnet School 380 567 567 49.3%

81 * Trinity Christian Academy 272 214 385 41.7%

153 * Christian Academy of Knoxville 499 373 671 34.7%

3 * College Heights 55 73 73 32.7%

4 Liberty Technology Magnet High 765 1,007 1,007 31.6%

11 * F.C. Boyd, Sr. Christian School 88 64 115 30.6%

29 * Pope John Paul II High School 500 651 651 30.2%

82 Madison Academic Magnet High 299 387 387 29.6%

42 * Grace Academy of Knoxville 193 139 250 29.6%

6 * King's Academy 109 140 140 28.4%

139 Cumberland Gap High School 485 618 618 27.4%

13 * First Assembly Christian School 176 224 224 27.3%

201 Station Camp High School 717 906 906 26.4%

202 Siegel High School 1,390 1,753 1,753 26.1%

203 McGavock High School 2,055 2,592 2,592 26.1%

 

I know the reason East Literature's enrollment went up so much is because they renovated the two buildings and created more space to add students. I don't know where those Hume Fogg numbers came from. They have been in AA for years.

[SitEmDown]

EVERY private school shud get in there own division.

 

look at baseball.

 

Goodpasture and USJ always beat out the public schools and usually end up playin for the ship unless they're in the same bracket