mat73557 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 So this weekend's Cleveland Duals. Seemed to me like many of the referees are too involved in the match. For example, at least couple of refs were VERY vocal during the matches, telling the wrestlers things like: (from my film) "Let's go fellas." "No no, stay in bounds..stay in bounds." "Offense guys..score...score." "Stay in and score guys." So my question is....Should they be saying so much? What is taught? I know they should push the action when there is little but telling a wrestler to stay in bounds? Sometimes the strategy is to go out. It also seems like there are some guys who dont say hardly anything....should there be a standard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelin Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 Sounds like you heard an experienced referee, and that tournament had some of the best in the country, not just local, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwest40 Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 The refs weren't the only ones that wanted the wrestlers to stay on the mat. I personally think the refs should push for more action, less fleeing and stalling.....especially the stalling on the mat, seems to be getting worse. Most of the good refs are vocal when it comes to action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintabbott Posted December 15, 2013 Report Share Posted December 15, 2013 We have always tried to teach all officials to be vocal and visual, I say officiate the match like one of the wrestlers is blind and one is deaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat73557 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 So let me ask a better question. What in the way of being vocal should the refs not do? I have coached mine sometimes to get out if bounds to achieve a fresh start. Am I wrong for coaching that or are the refs wrong for demanding they stay in bounds near the edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDArtist Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Adding the push out rule to high school wrestling would eliminate most of these issues. As a coach, I like vocal refs. They are just saying what we are all thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sommers Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 IMHO...This going out of bounds or wrestling on the edge style is common amongst the weaker wrestlers/teams in the first & 2nd period. Because of advanced third period conditioning factor this strategy can keep it close to end up on top in a low scoring match. The best refs will vocally threaten a stalling call for those wrestlers backing out or even like a fine Ryan wrestler at state individuals that was called for after shooting to go out of bounds rather than shooting to score. True offense is what they look for. The best way in my opinion to never be scored upon when a bit weaker is to circle often and master the art of a front head lock always looking to improve postion rather than get a stalemate. Btw... What ever happened to a traditional sprawl? Saw too many wrestlers this weekend using a crossface or wrestling of their hips to fight off a good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk8 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 The refs weren't the only ones that wanted the wrestlers to stay on the mat. I personally think the refs should push for more action, less fleeing and stalling.....especially the stalling on the mat, seems to be getting worse. Most of the good refs are vocal when it comes to action. Agreed! No fun watching a match were a kid takes 10+ shots and the other kid plays defense the entire time. Saw that several times this weekend. got to call it or they will keep doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reftn Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 Interesting. The case book says if a wrestler leaves the 10' circle without making contact that is stalling and should be penalized with a warning/points. Are we good with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk8 Posted December 16, 2013 Report Share Posted December 16, 2013 I like when the refs talk to the kids to get more action out of them. I don't like when refs engage with the audience though. It does become about them when they are more focused on what they hear from the audience than what is happening on the mat. During one match the ref stopped the match 2 maybe 3 times and called potentially dangerous. The kid while performing the chicken wing kept running his hand up on the shoulder joint. One of the Bro parents yelled out that it was an illegal move not a potentially dangerous move ( a coach next to me agreed) and the ref looked back at him and reemphasized. "POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS". I believe the parent was correct and all knew it when the ref brought the attention to himself by doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newestguy Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) Intentionally going out of bounds is either stalling or fleeing the mat. If it weren't for space/safety issues I believe all high schools would go to the new college out of bound rules (all body parts of both wrestlers must be completely out of bounds). If any part of any wrestler is in bounds, near fall can still be given and even a fall can be awarded. Love it. If going out of bounds to avoid wrestling isn't stalling, what is? Edited December 17, 2013 by Newestguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reftn Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I like when the refs talk to the kids to get more action out of them. I don't like when refs engage with the audience though. It does become about them when they are more focused on what they hear from the audience than what is happening on the mat. During one match the ref stopped the match 2 maybe 3 times and called potentially dangerous. The kid while performing the chicken wing kept running his hand up on the shoulder joint. One of the Bro parents yelled out that it was an illegal move not a potentially dangerous move ( a coach next to me agreed) and the ref looked back at him and reemphasized. "POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS". I believe the parent was correct and all knew it when the ref brought the attention to himself by doing that. Possibly. If the move starts legal then goes illegal it is potentially dangerous. Sometimes, particularly in a wing situation, if the bottom man is resisting this is often the case. But if I am a parent or a coach, I think I am willing to give a referee the benefit of the doubt. mostly. You know, I am ok with a coach taking me to the table on that if he has a question of why I am calling it that way, so then he can instruct his kid. But usually potentially dangerous doesnt get questioned much. Its about the kids. A referee addressing someone in the crowd isnt smart. If I am going to address you in the bleachers it would be to show where the door.is. I've only tossed out one spectator in my entire career. She deserved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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