TSSAA MID CYCLE ENROLLMENTS

[tradertwo]

16 minutes ago, cbg said:

You are correct that we will probably never see a classification with 100 schools in one division.  Lets be honest it has nothing to do with concussions but it has everything to do with parents, kids, coaches and the administration at schools today being SOFT.  Everyone wants a trophy but they really don't want to put in the work necessary to win a state title.

Two sides to every argument... I have no sympathy for the "participation trophy" crowd, but on the other hand, there are schools in the other "revenue" sports competing against district/region opponents with over double their enrollment. There has to be some middle ground to align ALL sports in order to establish and maintain rivalries, while still allowing reasonable differences in enrollment numbers.

   At Scotts Hill, we are mid pack 2A football enrollment, but the smallest 2A basketball/baseball ect… Our region opponents in fb are mostly east of the river in the middle grand division, while the others are western grand division, and almost all are approaching 2x (or over) our enrollment. From football region opponents to Basketball, we cover a great portion of middle and western Tn. and play against opponents from enrollments of high three hundreds to over fifteen hundred. Too diverse in school size to align with TSSAA's mantra of "level playing field", and too large an area to travel on school nights to be fair to student athletes, especially when much closer are available, both in size and distance. All could be remedied with four or five classifications and alignments to match.

   Not griping...just stating obvious facts. I realize that we may be affected more than most, but you have to consider that we aren't alone. My greatest concern is that of our old traditional rivalries, only two remain that are region/district opponents...all others have changed in a very short and recent time frame, and the vast distances that we regularly travel, while driving by much closer potential opponents, both in enrollment and distance. 

[Croppygenius]

Rumor over here in Mustang land is that we are moving up to region 6 2a next season. This came from a school official that should know. How can we move up without a 20% increase in enrollment. Our numbers went from 330 to 367.

[PHSRollTide]

I believe 375 is the magic number for 2A. Peabody last I heard has like 378 or 389. So he might see a bigger class moving up

and just assuming that they will be past 375.

[fredjones]

You need to factor in that there will be at least two new high schools open in Middle Tennessee (Green Hill in Mt. Juliet, and Rockvale in Rutherford County that will be open in 2021.  Sumner County may be building another school in Cottontown.  Williamson may be building one at Grassland. That's also not taking into effect the school consolidations in Roane and Sullivan Counties.   The number of football playing schools will change in  Division 1.

[Southtowner]

1 hour ago, Croppygenius said:

Rumor over here in Mustang land is that we are moving up to region 6 2a next season. This came from a school official that should know. How can we move up without a 20% increase in enrollment. Our numbers went from 330 to 367.

You can't.   End of story.

[Southtowner]

1 hour ago, PHSRollTide said:

I believe 375 is the magic number for 2A. Peabody last I heard has like 378 or 389. So he might see a bigger class moving up

and just assuming that they will be past 375.

The enrollment cutoff numbers will be determined by how many schools are divided equally among the classes.  

If there's say 50 schools per class then each of the largest schools enrollment in their respective classes is what sets the cutoff numbers. 

[thegreatwhite1]

1 hour ago, fredjones said:

You need to factor in that there will be at least two new high schools open in Middle Tennessee (Green Hill in Mt. Juliet, and Rockvale in Rutherford County that will be open in 2021.  Sumner County may be building another school in Cottontown.  Williamson may be building one at Grassland. That's also not taking into effect the school consolidations in Roane and Sullivan Counties.   The number of football playing schools will change in  Division 1.

Great point. Rockvale is opening next year and starting in 5A

[cbg]

On ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 10:36 PM, tradertwo said:

Two sides to every argument... I have no sympathy for the "participation trophy" crowd, but on the other hand, there are schools in the other "revenue" sports competing against district/region opponents with over double their enrollment. There has to be some middle ground to align ALL sports in order to establish and maintain rivalries, while still allowing reasonable differences in enrollment numbers.

   At Scotts Hill, we are mid pack 2A football enrollment, but the smallest 2A basketball/baseball ect… Our region opponents in fb are mostly east of the river in the middle grand division, while the others are western grand division, and almost all are approaching 2x (or over) our enrollment. From football region opponents to Basketball, we cover a great portion of middle and western Tn. and play against opponents from enrollments of high three hundreds to over fifteen hundred. Too diverse in school size to align with TSSAA's mantra of "level playing field", and too large an area to travel on school nights to be fair to student athletes, especially when much closer are available, both in size and distance. All could be remedied with four or five classifications and alignments to match.

   Not griping...just stating obvious facts. I realize that we may be affected more than most, but you have to consider that we aren't alone. My greatest concern is that of our old traditional rivalries, only two remain that are region/district opponents...all others have changed in a very short and recent time frame, and the vast distances that we regularly travel, while driving by much closer potential opponents, both in enrollment and distance. 

You speak of revenue producing sports.  Truthfully the only revenue producing high school sports in Tennessee that I aware of would be football and basketball and at most schools that would be a stretch.  County schools appear to have much higher attendance numbers and community support than the inner city schools in the larger cities like Memphis and Nashville.  Football is very expensive due to the cost of equipment and the number of officials needed for games.  Basketball does not cost a great deal of money but unless the school has a reputation for winning the attendance figures typically drop off significantly after the first 5 or 6 games.  The two of us could probably count on both hands how many baseball, softball and wrestling teams break even.  I hate to say it but high school athletics are a financial drain on most school systems.  Now the lessons that student athletes learn by participating in athletics will be with them for the rest of their lives and there is no way to place a financial figure on those lessons learned.

Edited October 24, 2018 by cbg

[TheAmbassador]

2 hours ago, Southtowner said:

The enrollment cutoff numbers will be determined by how many schools are divided equally among the classes.  

If there's say 50 schools per class then each of the largest schools enrollment in their respective classes is what sets the cutoff numbers. 

Those will determine the classes in 2 years.  Teams are moving up or down before next season unless they saw dramatic changes in enrollments. 

[Southtowner]

3 minutes ago, TheAmbassador said:

Those will determine the classes in 2 years.  Teams are moving up or down before next season unless they saw dramatic changes in enrollments. 

I'm not understanding your post.

Reclassification will be in 2 years. TSSAA will use the enrollment numbers turned in then not now. 

[TheAmbassador]

Just now, Southtowner said:

I'm not understanding your post.

Reclassification will be in 2 years. TSSAA will use the enrollment numbers turned in then not now. 

I meant to quote the other guy that had the question. 

[Southtowner]

Let's make this clear.  UNLESS you have an increase or decrease of 20% or more AND your new enrollment number doesn't put you outside the cutoff numbers that were set 2 years ago, you're not going anywhere. 

If you have an increase of 20% or more that moves you out of the class you are in you WILL be moved up.

If you have a decrease of 20% or more that moves you out of the class you are in then you can OPT out and move down OR stay put.

No one can move up or down willy nilly.

Edited October 24, 2018 by Southtowner