Can Freshman team players play rec league?

[gooddog]

Can Freshman team players play rec league?

[chill]

No 

[orngnblk]

Double no!

[gooddog]

Thanks.  Not what I was hoping to hear, but I'm sure there's a good reason.  Thanks again. 

[EHSTrack06]

On 12/8/2018 at 4:58 PM, gooddog said:

Thanks.  Not what I was hoping to hear, but I'm sure there's a good reason.  Thanks again. 

A really good reason is potential injury

[Bobcats83]

I thought if a player was on the JV team that they could play in a rec league if they so choose.

[jimb1972]

Can girls varsity scrimmage/practice against their schools JV/Fresh boys?

[chill]

Yes 

[Dunc4265]

Long read but from the sections I pulled below I don't see where a player that's not on a varsity eligibility list would be prohibited from playing independent games "Rec League" and Junior Varsity during the same time period. I wouldn't think a school's coach would want the players doing that in case they do need to pull them up to the varsity eligibility list. But if a freshman has no chance of being listed on the varsity teams eligibility list then where does it show he can't play in independent games? 

 

Junior Varsity – Any level of play below the varsity level, whether denominated as junior varsity, b-team, or otherwise. The membership of a junior varsity team shall be composed of varsity substitutes and any other nonvarsity players identified on the school’s eligibility list.

 

At the junior varsity or B-Team level, the only eligibility rules that apply are those in Sections 1 (Enrollment), 2 through 4 (Academic Rules), 5 (High School Graduate), 6 (Eight-Semester Rule), 7 (Repeating Rule), 8 (Eighth Grade Participation), 9 (Age Limit), 10 (Physical Examination and Parental Consent), 13d (Under Disciplinary Action), 13e (Coaching Link), and 25 (Home School Rule). At the varsity level, all eligibility rules apply.

 

Independent-Game Participation is Section 21.

Section 21. Once a student’s name is listed on the school’s eligibility report, if a student participates in an independent game in that sport after the first contest date allowed and before the season has closed or his/her name has been removed from the eligibility report at the request of the school principal, the student shall be ineligible at the varsity level as explained below. Any organized game in which players not registered with TSSAA participate – regardless of whether admission is charged - is considered as an independent game. Violation of this rule will render the student ineligible for 25% of the number of contests/dates allowed in that sport by the sports calendar or for the remainder of the season in that sport, whichever number is the least. Violation of this rule a second time in the same sport in the same season will render the student ineligible in that sport for the remainder of the season. A student's name may be removed from the school's eligibility list upon written request of the principal prior to the first official contest date allowed in that sport without penalty. After the first official contest allowed, a student’s name may be removed from the school’s eligibility list upon written request of the principal, and he/she may then participate as an independent without penalty. If the principal requests the state office to remove a student’s name after the first official contest date allowed in that sport, such student may not again be certified during the season of that sport. This rule does not apply to bowling, golf, and tennis.

 

Independent-Game Participation Q&A

1. Q. Team A is eliminated in the district basketball tournament. May players on Team A participate in an independent game or tournament without endangering their eligibility?

A. The basketball season ends for any member school when the school is eliminated from tournament play. Students may participate as members of independent teams in any sport after the season for that sport has closed without affecting their eligibility, provided the amateur rule is not violated. 2018-19 TSSAA Handbook Page 61 July 12, 2018

2. Q. A golfer, tennis player, or bowler wishes to participate in a club tournament during the golf, tennis, or bowling season. Is this a violation of the independent rule?

A. No, provided the golfer, tennis player, or bowler participates as an individual and not as a member or representative of his/her school. The independent rule does not apply to golf, tennis, and bowling.

3. Q. May a player participate in a scrimmage, practice game or game with an independent team after being registered with TSSAA past the first official day of competition in that sport?

A. No. The student shall be ineligible immediately in the sport in which the violation occurs.

4. Q. Is it a violation for a registered athlete in baseball or softball to practice with an independent team?

A. No, provided he/she participates in practice situations only (batting practice, infield practice, etc.), provided no game situations are involved.

5. Q. Is it a violation for a registered athlete in track or cross country to participate in a road race?

A. No, provided the race is longer than 3200 meters during track season or longer than 5K (3.1 miles) during cross country season.

6. Q. A basketball player participates in an independent game and the school notifies the state office of the violation. What is the penalty for the student athlete?

A. The student will be ineligible for the next six contests (25% of the number of games allowed under the sports calendar) or the remainder of the season, whichever is the least.

7. Q. A student is registered on the girls’ softball team with school A after the first official day of competition for girls’ softball. The student then participates in an independent girls’ softball game. She then returns to school A’s softball team where she plays three games. The coach of school A determines that the student has played in an independent game and reports the violation to the state office. What is the penalty?

A. School A has played an ineligible player for three games. The three games will be forfeited and disciplinary action will be taken. The student is ineligible for nine games. (If a student participates in three contests as an ineligible player, the three contests will be forfeited, disciplinary action will be taken against the school, and the student will be ineligible to participate in the next nine contests or for the remainder of the season, whichever is the least.)

[orngnblk]

11 hours ago, Dunc4265 said:

Long read but from the sections I pulled below I don't see where a player that's not on a varsity eligibility list would be prohibited from playing independent games "Rec League" and Junior Varsity during the same time period. I wouldn't think a school's coach would want the players doing that in case they do need to pull them up to the varsity eligibility list. But if a freshman has no chance of being listed on the varsity teams eligibility list then where does it show he can't play in independent games? 

 

Junior Varsity – Any level of play below the varsity level, whether denominated as junior varsity, b-team, or otherwise. The membership of a junior varsity team shall be composed of varsity substitutes and any other nonvarsity players identified on the school’s eligibility list.

 

At the junior varsity or B-Team level, the only eligibility rules that apply are those in Sections 1 (Enrollment), 2 through 4 (Academic Rules), 5 (High School Graduate), 6 (Eight-Semester Rule), 7 (Repeating Rule), 8 (Eighth Grade Participation), 9 (Age Limit), 10 (Physical Examination and Parental Consent), 13d (Under Disciplinary Action), 13e (Coaching Link), and 25 (Home School Rule). At the varsity level, all eligibility rules apply.

 

Independent-Game Participation is Section 21.

Section 21. Once a student’s name is listed on the school’s eligibility report, if a student participates in an independent game in that sport after the first contest date allowed and before the season has closed or his/her name has been removed from the eligibility report at the request of the school principal, the student shall be ineligible at the varsity level as explained below. Any organized game in which players not registered with TSSAA participate – regardless of whether admission is charged - is considered as an independent game. Violation of this rule will render the student ineligible for 25% of the number of contests/dates allowed in that sport by the sports calendar or for the remainder of the season in that sport, whichever number is the least. Violation of this rule a second time in the same sport in the same season will render the student ineligible in that sport for the remainder of the season. A student's name may be removed from the school's eligibility list upon written request of the principal prior to the first official contest date allowed in that sport without penalty. After the first official contest allowed, a student’s name may be removed from the school’s eligibility list upon written request of the principal, and he/she may then participate as an independent without penalty. If the principal requests the state office to remove a student’s name after the first official contest date allowed in that sport, such student may not again be certified during the season of that sport. This rule does not apply to bowling, golf, and tennis.

 

Independent-Game Participation Q&A

1. Q. Team A is eliminated in the district basketball tournament. May players on Team A participate in an independent game or tournament without endangering their eligibility?

A. The basketball season ends for any member school when the school is eliminated from tournament play. Students may participate as members of independent teams in any sport after the season for that sport has closed without affecting their eligibility, provided the amateur rule is not violated. 2018-19 TSSAA Handbook Page 61 July 12, 2018

2. Q. A golfer, tennis player, or bowler wishes to participate in a club tournament during the golf, tennis, or bowling season. Is this a violation of the independent rule?

A. No, provided the golfer, tennis player, or bowler participates as an individual and not as a member or representative of his/her school. The independent rule does not apply to golf, tennis, and bowling.

3. Q. May a player participate in a scrimmage, practice game or game with an independent team after being registered with TSSAA past the first official day of competition in that sport?

A. No. The student shall be ineligible immediately in the sport in which the violation occurs.

4. Q. Is it a violation for a registered athlete in baseball or softball to practice with an independent team?

A. No, provided he/she participates in practice situations only (batting practice, infield practice, etc.), provided no game situations are involved.

5. Q. Is it a violation for a registered athlete in track or cross country to participate in a road race?

A. No, provided the race is longer than 3200 meters during track season or longer than 5K (3.1 miles) during cross country season.

6. Q. A basketball player participates in an independent game and the school notifies the state office of the violation. What is the penalty for the student athlete?

A. The student will be ineligible for the next six contests (25% of the number of games allowed under the sports calendar) or the remainder of the season, whichever is the least.

7. Q. A student is registered on the girls’ softball team with school A after the first official day of competition for girls’ softball. The student then participates in an independent girls’ softball game. She then returns to school A’s softball team where she plays three games. The coach of school A determines that the student has played in an independent game and reports the violation to the state office. What is the penalty?

A. School A has played an ineligible player for three games. The three games will be forfeited and disciplinary action will be taken. The student is ineligible for nine games. (If a student participates in three contests as an ineligible player, the three contests will be forfeited, disciplinary action will be taken against the school, and the student will be ineligible to participate in the next nine contests or for the remainder of the season, whichever is the least.)

Ok you are correct.Are the ones mentioned on the actual clearing house roster? If not then they actually can play rec league.Once their name goes in for the high school roster then they are ineligible.Greenback had two kids not playing varsity at the time 2010 and they played 1 rec league game and were suspended the rest of the season.

[warmachine7954]

I looked through the handbook but couldn't find anything.

From what I recall if a player is listed on the varsity roster then they're not supposed to play on another team during the season. That would mean a freshman or JV only player could play. I know kids who are ineligible can play JV and practice because they're not on the varsity roster. 

[Fan15]

It all depends on if the player is listed on the team roster on the TSSAA portal.  If they are, they can not play rec league ball.