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57 minutes ago, bestsport said:

First let me state I am Mason's Dad, and my perspective is obviously biased without trying. I do not know Parker Peterson at all. I couldn't tell you what kind of a young man he is....good or bad. However, I can say that during competition especially one that gets heated to the point referee(s) lose control, an athlete, coach and fan can get caught up in the situation and act/react in unfavorable ways and be judged by others only on those actions.

Last nights finals match was one of those matches. Both Mason and Parker appeared to get caught up in the moment and lose sight of what they were there to do...….and that's Wrestle. Parker appeared to be going backwards and/or circling the edge of the mat the entire 1st period. This of course got the Baylor fans excited and wanting a stalling caution. The strategy/style frustrated Mason of course because in his mind he had predetermined the outcome with him getting the early fall and ending his final High School State Tournament on a good note. The first head butt (rather intentional or incidental) really got the Baylor Fans going. And from the stands (which is where I sat) it honestly looked pretty bad. I could tell Mason seemed dazed and could only hope he keep himself in check on focus on the big picture. Unfortunately he had a momentary lapse and offered up a little shove at the end of the period to let Parker know who be was on the mat with. This in turn simply added fuel to the fire and got the Father Ryan faithful up in arms.

From here it just continued to escalate with (in my opinion) more brawling than wrestling. I'm all for hard hand fighting and aggressive wrestling to gain favorable position for a scoring opportunity. However, I didn't see really many attempts by parker to score only banging to keep Mason off balance and not in a good position to score. On the flip side Mason played into it and banged back trying to dig an underhook or utilize a hard snap, but not follow it up with solid leg attacks. Unfortunately for Mason he came out on the losing end of the brawl and suffered a couple more hard shots to face/head. Enough of them I feared the ref was going to stop the match due to Mason not fit to continue. This outcome would have most definitely been a tragic end to pretty darn good high school career.

Mason being hit with a stall call when working from top while parker smartly controlled his hands, again grew frustrated in addition to being dazed from repeated blows to the head/face, and determined against his coaches instructions (which were to simply ride him out and finish the match and limit the opportunity for more blows to the head) that he was going to let parker up and take him down. He did that, and got that crowd (both sides) more fired up.

The match ended and the score was 10-2 in favor of Mason. Neither Mason or Parker were happy with the results. I personally didn't see either wrestler do any gestures or unsportsmanlike actions after the match. I observed Mason recognize his cheering fans in an appreciative manner and give the freight train horn tug (that all of the Baylor finalists had done). I certainly observed him go shake Pat Simpsons hand as well as the other coaches. Now, I am uncertain if Coach Ben Nelson didn't see the original handshake or just didn't think one was enough but he made Mason go shake their hands again. I did notice Mason did not shake Parkers hand again as he offered one up as they exited the mat.

What happens next is a blur to me. I watched Mason leave the mat and go toward the fence where he was abruptly stopped by someone (which I was told later was a brother of an MBA wrestler...I wont name them), and that person blurted out derogatory comments directly at and to Mason along with some other dissatisfied fans including one on the Father Ryan coaching staff (not the two in the corner). This is when Mason reacted and completely lost control and had to be escorted back to refs lounge by another member of Baylor's coaching staff. I missed a lot of this as I was in the process of leaving my seat in the stands to get down there to be at my son's side and eliminate any further reactions.

Upon my arrival in the refs lounge, Mason was lying on his back. The bridge of his nose was bloody with tape on it, his cheek bone was cut and bleeding, and mouth was full of blood making all of his front teeth red. He was distraught and utterly confused as to why and how so many people hated him. He couldn't comprehend that grown individuals could be so hostile hanging over the railing yelling out awful things (things that I cannot repeat here) especially from a coach that he thought liked/respected him.

The saddest thing for me is I had no good response for him. There is not a good response to that question. Somebody else commented that the late Coach Jim Morgan wouldn't have tolerated his wrestler acting in such unsportsmanlike manner is correct, and neither would Coach Ben Nelson or any other Baylor coach on the staff. I personally don't think either Mason or Parker demonstrated unsportsmanlike manners while on the mat. I honestly don't think ill of Parker either. I truly think he simply had a game plan to survive against Mason early and still be there at the end with a chance to win. His strategy did come across as stalling for sure, and his aggressiveness did lend to pretty severe blows to Mason's head.

Its unfortunate and Mason most certainly did not want this experience for his last showing at the Tennessee State Tournament where he is a 5 time finalist and 3 time Champion. I hope and will do my best to turn this weird and terribly unfortunate incident into a positive learning experience for Mason moving forward.

And ScottOsters, I am absolutely positive that is exactly what Coach Jim Morgan would want!! 

Really honest and well worded post.

From what I have seen of Mason in the past, he has always carried himself well so his reaction to the crowd and even the chippiness on the mat was fine to me. What really got to me was the fans yelling for stalling like they did. BEYOND ridiculous, and happens way too often. Cheer for your own wrestlers, not against someone else. And the part the blew me away, was a man, and I'm assuming he was a Baylor fan, yelling at the cheeleaders from FR. Seriously, we want our kids to act a certain way, but display behavior like this? I can get over a knee-jerk reaction, but this went on for more than 10 minutes and was intentionally trying to get a reaction out of kids.

Look, wresting is a tough sport, and gets intense. But when parents start directing their comments at another kid, it crosses the line. So to me, the issue was not between the 2 wrestlers, the issue was how the parents of both sides handled things. YELLING at a wrestler when he is leaving the floor? REALLY PEOPLE? What do you think he is going to do?

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2 hours ago, mtnrasslin said:

There is no doubt there are brilliant kids in public school doing amazing things academically. They've made choices and are excelling within those choices. However, at the same time, there are a lot of people making the choice to pay a lot of money for the perceived academic benefits of these private schools. If those benefits aren't there then a lot of people are wasting significant amounts of money. Either way, if a family believes there is value in attending these schools, and they happen to have a kid who dreams of college athletics, are you saying that the kid should have to give up a year of eligibility, thereby jeopardizing their college athletic opportunities, in order to transfer to the school of their choice? Other than Ad's and coaches who want to minimize competition I don't see how that benefits anyone, particularly the kids. 

Why yes, yes I do! If yòu want to attend a private school solely based upon a sport and you do that after you already started, yes I do think you should sit you butt out! If you ant to spend that money to send your kid for the academics good for you also, again I spent time at both and a kid gets about the same education at both, the entire educational experience is based upon your kid doing the work and the family putting their time in to help their child learn and grow! Plain and simple paying 20K or whatever a year for a Baylor or McCallie is almost downright stupid. I can put that money into an account and grow and pay pretty much the same for my kid to go to college and in the end if like my son gets a college scholarship fo grades I can give that money to him and I wasn't out the money for private school OR college. Which is what I am looking at right now for my senior.  

 

And yes Tim Voiles was the stud, him and Coach Brooks pretty much drove everyday to come to practice and help Tim get better, he put the work in to be the best and he stood on the top of the podium for that. Hard work will get you where you want to go, doesn't matter public or private.

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3 hours ago, greendoor said:

A great recap. Then magically another thread was transformed into a "transfer" discussion. The horse is dead, please stop beating 

I agree with this. Every time anything from d2 is mentioned the thead gets hijacked by transfer arguments. Which im sick of reading especially when im looking for good recaps on things i may have missed last night. The 170 d2 match is also over. The kids dont need to be analyzed and the only lesson that should be taken is that when grown adults lose their class over a high school sport, then it falls apart for the kids too. Thats my input on the last 3 pages of thread. Thx to the guy who made the recap on all the finals matches earlier I enjoyed your summary.

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16 minutes ago, TusslinAndRusslin said:

I agree with this. Every time anything from d2 is mentioned the thead gets hijacked by transfer arguments. Which im sick of reading especially when im looking for good recaps on things i may have missed last night. The 170 d2 match is also over. The kids dont need to be analyzed and the only lesson that should be taken is that when grown adults lose their class over a high school sport, then it falls apart for the kids too. Thats my input on the last 3 pages of thread. Thx to the guy who made the recap on all the finals matches earlier I enjoyed your summary.

Thanks.  I was really interested in hearing what everyone else thought about the matches last night too but this thread got highjacked by the D2 transfer trolls and those that like to bash specific kids.   So annoying..  makes me never want to post on here again. 

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34 minutes ago, durdon said:

Thanks.  I was really interested in hearing what everyone else thought about the matches last night too but this thread got highjacked by the D2 transfer trolls and those that like to bash specific kids.   So annoying..  makes me never want to post on here again. 

Calm down, no one highjacked the thread, it's called sidebar and from your original post, which was very good and everyone has said they agreed with it and liked it (as did I), it brought up the question on what happened in that match, and that lead to other discussions. Happens in 99.9% of every thread on any discussion board. And I really didn't see where anyone specifically bashed any kid. Everyone knows how good Mason is, and are quickly learning how good Peterson is. But they were the 2 in that match, so yes their names will be brought up. No one bashed them, I think we all have respect for them. I did however call out the parents, and one in particular, because I thought that was way too much (but mine was more in defense of the kids, which I will always watch out for)

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As this is a recap, I have a couple of questions:

1.)  What Baylor fan was yelling at the FR cheerleaders?

2.)  What happened between the match between Cleveland and Page on late Friday night when the Cleveland coach had to escort his wrestler off the mat.  

3.)  Why was there an issue when Mason walked off the mat?

This is a Recap and just wondering?

 

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11 minutes ago, facenthecrowd said:

As this is a recap, I have a couple of questions:

1.)  What Baylor fan was yelling at the FR cheerleaders?

2.)  What happened between the match between Cleveland and Page on late Friday night when the Cleveland coach had to escort his wrestler off the mat.  

3.)  Why was there an issue when Mason walked off the mat?

This is a Recap and just wondering?

 

I would love to know the answer to all of these. But , number 2 is interesting as we cannot even see the match archived. 

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9 hours ago, facenthecrowd said:

Certainly there are people who saw the match and can tell us what happened just like they have told us what happened in all of these other instances without a match archived.

I watched the match from matside it was absolutely disgusting behavior. Jones was down by 5 or more with 30 seconds left when he was on top and started smacks to the back of the head you can see in the video above. The ref only hit him for one point. Which I can almost understand giving him a chance to settle down, they restart with Jones still on top he throws a nasty crossface, and fans starts yelling, the ref motions as if it was legal only for it to be followed up by another punch to the face so the ref actually stops it but still only hits Jones for another point. Jones then asked the ref to be in neutral with 10 seconds left, the Page kid backs up and Jones chases him to deliver the final punch to the face so the ref could finally stop the match. Not only was Mr. Jones behavior disgusting, but so was the refs for allowing it to continue when the actions were obviously flagrant.

I am also 90% sure this was the same ref that called the Cockman Brentwood match, and he was very quick to eject him... Cleveland preferential treatment? I sure think so.

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33 minutes ago, dontstopbelieving said:

I watched the match from matside it was absolutely disgusting behavior. Jones was down by 5 or more with 30 seconds left when he was on top and started smacks to the back of the head you can see in the video above. The ref only hit him for one point. Which I can almost understand giving him a chance to settle down, they restart with Jones still on top he throws a nasty crossface, and fans starts yelling, the ref motions as if it was legal only for it to be followed up by another punch to the face so the ref actually stops it but still only hits Jones for another point. Jones then asked the ref to be in neutral with 10 seconds left, the Page kid backs up and Jones chases him to deliver the final punch to the face so the ref could finally stop the match. Not only was Mr. Jones behavior disgusting, but so was the refs for allowing it to continue when the actions were obviously flagrant.

I am also 90% sure this was the same ref that called the Cockman Brentwood match, and he was very quick to eject him... Cleveland preferential treatment? I sure think so.

wow, that was absolutely disgusting to watch! 

 

As far as the Cockman match, he let his emotions get the best of him, all he had to do was walk to the center, shake hands and walk off, it isnt really all that hard or difficult to do and instead he ran his mouth AND tossed his headgear as well as clapped his hands over his head which is to me taunting. Now if he wanted to clap after he won all means do it, but when you go over your head to bring attention to yourself that has no place in wrestling or on the mat itself, especially when one wins! As i was always taught win or lose with grace and humility.  I watched a few video's of it and the push was barely anything(although i think BW kid should have also been DQ'd, so all he had to do was get up, shake hands and get ready for the semi's, it's no one's fault but his own that he didnt. I hate it for him as I am a fan of Dalton, however keep the emotions in check and just wrestle.

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15 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

wow, that was absolutely disgusting to watch! 

 

As far as the Cockman match, he let his emotions get the best of him, all he had to do was walk to the center, shake hands and walk off, it isnt really all that hard or difficult to do and instead he ran his mouth AND tossed his headgear as well as clapped his hands over his head which is to me taunting. Now if he wanted to clap after he won all means do it, but when you go over your head to bring attention to yourself that has no place in wrestling or on the mat itself, especially when one wins! As i was always taught win or lose with grace and humility.  I watched a few video's of it and the push was barely anything(although i think BW kid should have also been DQ'd, so all he had to do was get up, shake hands and get ready for the semi's, it's no one's fault but his own that he didnt. I hate it for him as I am a fan of Dalton, however keep the emotions in check and just wrestle.

Trust me I am by no means defending Cockmans actions. When the ref hits you for a team point that means shut up and do what your supposed to do and get off the mat. Which he did not do, but I do agree that both kids should have been tossed and not just one.

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