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WrestlingGod

Past State Champions 2008-2018 vs State Champions from 2019

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On 2/22/2019 at 1:49 PM, WrestlingGod said:

So something I've been kind of running through my head today at work was how would the best state champs from the previous ten years stack up against the ones from this year. I don't really follow much division 2 so I'll just give my 2 cents in AAA. Remember its all subjective.

 

I only used each wrestler one time.

 

106-

2019 Trae McDaniel (Cleveland) vs 2018 Trey Bates (Beech, Fr State Champ) -

Honestly, I think Trey is the best 106 or 103 pounder in the last ten years. Last year he put together a 52-0 season and beat McDaniel in the finals 5-3. There have been plenty of great little kids in this spot from Ethan Hames of Bradley to Bradnon Brunner then of Tullahoma. But, and this is just my opinion, Bates is the best 106, just 106 not accounting for the rest of their careers after they moved weights and got older, in the last ten years.

 

Bates by dec

 

113-

2019 Jackson Bradford (Cleveland) vs 2010 Blake Thomas (Brentwood, Sr 2x finalist and SC)-

Blake Thomas was a big 113. He went on to wrestle at Chattanooga after leaving Brentwood. A senior at these light weights is pretty uncommon and Blake really did look like a grown man up against kids at some points. Bradford did have a great season and looked extremely tough on top of Borders in the finals this season. In this one it would be hard to pick against Thomas.

 

Thomas by dec

 

120-

2019 Andrew Cannon (Arlington) vs 2013 Jacob Stevens (Soddy Daisy, Sr 3x State Champ)

Jacob's tournament in 2103 was dominant. He had two pins and two techs and pinned Cordova's Byron Smith in the finals in route to his third title. Cannon had a great season and a solid tournament this year but its hard to argue that any other 120 in any recent memory being better than Stevens was. But if any other kid were to have that claim it would be Cannon. I still think Stevens would win big though.

 

Stevens by maj.

 

126-

2019 Brayden Palmer (Beech) vs 2014 Chris Debian (Cleveland, Jr 3x state champ would become 4x)

Ok so I had to put Debian at 26. From 2008-2018 he was the best 126 pounder but he may not have been the best 132 pounder. Again, all subjective. So I included him here. Honestly when I was digging through brackets I thought it wouldn't matter who I chose bc its Brayden but when the choice became clear that Debian was the one to choose it made this decision harder to pick. So in the end I think that if these two were to match up in Chris' junior season at 126 I would probably have to bet against him. Don't get me wrong, Chris was amazing to watch, but Palmer is just a different breed and hes going to be special to watch at the next level in years to come.

 

Palmer by dec

 

132-

2019 Christian Isbell (Clarksville) vs 2012 Campbell Lewis (Soddy Daisy, 4x state champ)

Campbell was crazy. He was so good. I watched him beat people that when he walked out I thought ok this is it, this is one he wont win. And he'd win big. He used to bait people into putting legs in and he'd sit out and pin them. It was constant. All the time. This kid was just so dominant his entire high school run. Isbell had a hard bracket this year and last year had a tough tourney and didn't medal. As big a fan as I am of Christian the pick on this one is pretty easy.

 

Lewis by maj

 

138-

2019 Dillon Pendley (Tennessee) vs 2008 David Mang (Bradley Central 135, Sr 2x State Champ, I think)

So I remember watching Mang wrestle and just being in awe. He wrestled in TN his freshman, sophomore and senior years with a year in Georgia his Jr season. That is the season I don't remember. If memory serves me correctly he did win a state title that season in Georgia. But watching how effortless he moved on the mat was a thing of beauty. It was almost as if he didn't try he just demolished everybody at that tournament. I don't think he wrestled the entire season that year bc of the transfer rules I think he only came in and was eligible from state duals through the rest of the season. I may be wrong on that part too. Pendley put a good year together and beat the defending state champ in the finals and did it convincingly too. But I think Mang would've been way too much for Pendley to handle if this were to ever happen.

 

Mang by maj

 

145-

2019 Grant Lundy (Clevleand) vs 2017 Knox Fuller (Bradley Central, 4x state champ)

Knox was a hammer. He would beat the tar out of whoever he wrestled on top. His top rides were brutal. It was awesome to watch. I'm not sure many could keep up with that in the last ten years. Lundy would put up a good fight but in the end its never smart to bet against Knox.

 

Fuller by maj

 

152-

2019 Austin Sweeney (Cleveland) vs 2010 Chris Aguilar (Bradley Central, State Champ)

So I went back over the last ten years and Austin Sweeney is the only 2x state champ at 152. All of the other kids to win this weight from 2008-2018 had not won a title coming into that season. Crazy stat to think of considering just how many multi time champs are on this list. Aguilar was fast on his feet. But here I think Sweeney would dominate.

 

Sweeney by dec

 

160-

2019 Dominic Fields (Tennessee) vs 2017 Matt Sells (Blackman, Sr 2x State Champ)

A pair of 2xers. This one would be hard to pick. If I was playing that one game where you shout the first thing that comes to your mind I would probably pick Fields here but honestly I think its a toss up. Ill go with my gut here.

 

 

Fields by dec

 

170-

2019 Chase Diehl (Science Hill) vs 2012 McCoy Newberg (Independence, Sr 2x State Champ)

 

I'm probably a little biased on a couple of these and this is one. McCoy was so much fun to watch. He was slick on his feet and could scramble but so tough on top. After hs went to Nebraska for a year before landing in Chattanooga. Any match you think would be close he would pull out a ton of points before pinning them. Diehl is a tough kid but I cant go against McCoy here.

 

Newberg by maj

 

182-

2019 Austin Antcliffe (Arlington) vs 2015 Chad Soloman (Maryville, 3x State Champ)

Chad was good, he was so good he made good wrestlers look not good. Austin is fantastic, and a super strong kid, but im not sure he would've been able to stop Chad's offense.

 

Soloman by dec

 

195-

2019 Bradley Williams (Clarksville) vs 2012 Cody Davis (Pigeon Forge, 2x State Champ)

 

Another pair of 2xers. Cody was huge. Don't get me wrong so is Bradley but Cody was massive. It was a while ago and my memory is starting to slip now but this would've been a fun match to watch. For the sake of argument ill go the other way on this one.

 

Williams by dec

 

220-

2019 Skylar Coffey (Brentwood) vs 2010 Cameron Croy (Brentwood 215, 3x State Champ)

 

LOL. I didn't mean to do this. Cam was just the clear pick on the best from the previous era. His left hand high crotch was fantastic and next to impossible to stop (except for that one time Mike Kennedy cradled him to his back off it and held him there for almost an entire period but we wont mention that one). Cam finished his career at Harvard, wrestling there for 4 years, and was even the captain of the team his sr year.

 

Croy by maj

 

285

2019 Michael Kramer (Wilson Central) vs 2017 Nick Boykin (Riverdale, 2x State Champ)

 

So hear me out on this. My argument is Kramer would win this. I know I know, "But Nick beat him". I would argue that the Kramer of THIS year is significantly better than the Kramer of last year and tenfold better than his soph year when he wrestled Nick. His shots on his feet are insane for a middle weight let alone a heavyweight. Nick was big (not anymore, seriously if you haven't seen Nick now please go to his facebook page and check him out) and moved well for a big kid. His throws were outstanding and he won double fargo titles bc of them. But I think, in a folkstyle match, with both of them as seniors, my gut says it would be different this time.

 

Kramer by dec

 

 

 

What do you guys think? Did I make a mistake picking a different wrestler from 2008-2018? Who would you have picked and why?

 

 

 

Bradley Colbaugh (BC) (2011) beats Sweeney at 152. 

Boykin dec. Kramer (IMO)

Toribio Navarro (BC) 3x State Champ, hard to leave him out at 113

Overall though, Good picks hard to keep up with a whole state through a huge time period. 

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Blake Ridenhour 2009 state champ at 152 was tournament OW.  I think that is your best from the past 10 years there if there are no multiple time state champs.   And still believe Jake Young from the same year is your best at 171.  Jake placed 3rd his freshman year (behind Brandon Wright 2Xer from Houston and Creagan 2xer from BC- would have been 3X had he not lost to Wright), won it his sophomore year, got Inj his junior year, and then won it his senior year.

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11 hours ago, sx1234 said:

Blake Ridenhour 2009 state champ at 152 was tournament OW.  I think that is your best from the past 10 years there if there are no multiple time state champs.   And still believe Jake Young from the same year is your best at 171.  Jake placed 3rd his freshman year (behind Brandon Wright 2Xer from Houston and Creagan 2xer from BC- would have been 3X had he not lost to Wright), won it his sophomore year, got Inj his junior year, and then won it his senior year.

Well its all subjective and I coached McCoy in middle school so im a little biased there. Either would get that win. I would've loved to have seen McCoy his senior year vs Jake Young his senior year. Two different wrestlers.

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113 lb  TJ Hicks was tough and would have beaten Blake Thomas.  No question.  Also, Newberg was not that good.  Got beat at the Grand Championships by Hooker who went up a weight class to wrestle him and his mother through a fit because it was going to ruin his undefeated season.  Newberg lost to a lower weight class wrestler.  Certainly not the best at 170 lbs.  Also, Boykin over Kramer.  He did beat him 2 years ago.  I digress.  

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13 hours ago, sx1234 said:

Blake Ridenhour 2009 state champ at 152 was tournament OW.  I think that is your best from the past 10 years there if there are no multiple time state champs.   And still believe Jake Young from the same year is your best at 171.  Jake placed 3rd his freshman year (behind Brandon Wright 2Xer from Houston and Creagan 2xer from BC- would have been 3X had he not lost to Wright), won it his sophomore year, got Inj his junior year, and then won it his senior year.

Ridenour was also a DII All American. 

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20 minutes ago, facenthecrowd said:

113 lb  TJ Hicks was tough and would have beaten Blake Thomas.  No question.  Also, Newberg was not that good.  Got beat at the Grand Championships by Hooker who went up a weight class to wrestle him and his mother through a fit because it was going to ruin his undefeated season.  Newberg lost to a lower weight class wrestler.  Certainly not the best at 170 lbs.  Also, Boykin over Kramer.  He did beat him 2 years ago.  I digress.  

are you retarded or just slow?   Are you talking about Michael Hooker that won 3 state titles and the year he beat Newberg he won state at 170? Because i show december 2011 is when he beat McCoy 5-1 and in Feb 2012 he won state AT 170.   Some people need some more wrestling education because obviously they havent a clue!   Also Hooker was a 5 time finalist losing the other 2 times 3-2 in the finals, once to Alex Johnson christian brothers and Stuart Doster from Baylor also a returning state champ. Now I don't think he was the greatest ever, but Hooker was tough as nails and so mcCoy was pretty good

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22 minutes ago, facenthecrowd said:

  Also, Newberg was not that good.  Got beat at the Grand Championships by Hooker who went up a weight class to wrestle him and his mother through a fit because it was going to ruin his undefeated season.  Newberg lost to a lower weight class wrestler.  Certainly not the best at 170 lbs.  Also, Boykin over Kramer.  He did beat him 2 years ago.  I digress.  

So first off, to suggest McCoy was "not that good" because he lost to Hooker is a joke. Michael owns the record for most career wins in the state, a 3x state champ, a collegiate all American, Dave Schultz champ, multi time armed forces champ etc etc etc.

 

Second, at least have a shred of class and keep his mother out of your comments because that part is ridiculous and never happened.

 

Third, Hooker won state at 170 that season.

 

Fourth, did you even read the original post at all? I said my pics were subjective and ONLY division 1 wrestlers so I wasn't picking Hooker as the 170. Also another clue that tells me you didn't actually read it is what I said about Kramer and Boykin. Go back and read the original post.

 

Fifth, McCoy was a 2x state champ, a division 1 wrestler. Got to wrestle the best wrestler on the entire planet for a year before transferring to Chattanooga. If you're going to come out and say he "wasn't that good" you had better hope your credentials are better than his.

 

but like you said, I digress.

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6 minutes ago, WrestlingGod said:

So first off, to suggest McCoy was "not that good" because he lost to Hooker is a joke. Michael owns the record for most career wins in the state, a 3x state champ, a collegiate all American, Dave Schultz champ, multi time armed forces champ etc etc etc.

 

Second, at least have a shred of class and keep his mother out of your comments because that part is ridiculous and never happened.

 

Third, Hooker won state at 170 that season.

 

Fourth, did you even read the original post at all? I said my pics were subjective and ONLY division 1 wrestlers so I wasn't picking Hooker as the 170. Also another clue that tells me you didn't actually read it is what I said about Kramer and Boykin. Go back and read the original post.

 

Fifth, McCoy was a 2x state champ, a division 1 wrestler. Got to wrestle the best wrestler on the entire planet for a year before transferring to Chattanooga. If you're going to come out and say he "wasn't that good" you had better hope your credentials are better than his.

 

but like you said, I digress.

AMEN!   And that dang Hooker was such a chump LOL

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Athlete-of-Week/2016/February/22/Michael-Hooker-named-USA-Wrestling-Athlete-of-the-Week

PRIOR TO UTC:  Undefeated state champion and 2012 graduate of Father Ryan High School in Nashville, Tenn. spent a semester at the Navy Prep Academy in Newport, R.I. … began his prep career at Chattanooga’s McCallie School … five-time state finalist and three-time state champion … holds the Tennessee high school record with 240 career wins … competed at the 2013 ASCIS University Nationals in Akron, Ohio, earning double All-American honors at the event, finishing third in the Freestyle and fourth in the Greco Roman brackets.

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20 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

AMEN!   And that dang Hooker was such a chump LOL

https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Athlete-of-Week/2016/February/22/Michael-Hooker-named-USA-Wrestling-Athlete-of-the-Week

PRIOR TO UTC:  Undefeated state champion and 2012 graduate of Father Ryan High School in Nashville, Tenn. spent a semester at the Navy Prep Academy in Newport, R.I. … began his prep career at Chattanooga’s McCallie School … five-time state finalist and three-time state champion … holds the Tennessee high school record with 240 career wins … competed at the 2013 ASCIS University Nationals in Akron, Ohio, earning double All-American honors at the event, finishing third in the Freestyle and fourth in the Greco Roman brackets.

Ahhh, what could have been! Before he came to Father Ryan, Hooker was on our Maryville youth team with Ridenour and Shields (another Maryville great). We all knew he likely wasn't staying and coulda-shoulda-woulda's happen almost everywhere I imagine.

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2 hours ago, cobrakid8 said:

are you retarded or just slow?   Are you talking about Michael Hooker that won 3 state titles and the year he beat Newberg he won state at 170? Because i show december 2011 is when he beat McCoy 5-1 and in Feb 2012 he won state AT 170.   Some people need some more wrestling education because obviously they havent a clue!   Also Hooker was a 5 time finalist losing the other 2 times 3-2 in the finals, once to Alex Johnson christian brothers and Stuart Doster from Baylor also a returning state champ. Now I don't think he was the greatest ever, but Hooker was tough as nails and so mcCoy was pretty good

Everyone does understand that Michael Hooker was wrestling up about two weight classifications his senior year at Father Ryan?  He competed this past weekend at the Armed Forces Championships at 74kg (163.1) for Greco Roman and 72kg (158.7lb) in Freestyle.  

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3 hours ago, cobrakid8 said:

are you retarded or just slow?   Are you talking about Michael Hooker that won 3 state titles and the year he beat Newberg he won state at 170? Because i show december 2011 is when he beat McCoy 5-1 and in Feb 2012 he won state AT 170.   Some people need some more wrestling education because obviously they havent a clue!   Also Hooker was a 5 time finalist losing the other 2 times 3-2 in the finals, once to Alex Johnson christian brothers and Stuart Doster from Baylor also a returning state champ. Now I don't think he was the greatest ever, but Hooker was tough as nails and so mcCoy was pretty good

You are the retard and it shows by you grammar and spelling.  I did not say that he was not good because he got beat by Hooker.  All I said was he got beat by Hooker.  Now, who is the retard?  Case in point:  haven't, not havent, December, not december.  touche

 

3 hours ago, WrestlingGod said:

So first off, to suggest McCoy was "not that good" because he lost to Hooker is a joke. Michael owns the record for most career wins in the state, a 3x state champ, a collegiate all American, Dave Schultz champ, multi time armed forces champ etc etc etc.

 

Second, at least have a shred of class and keep his mother out of your comments because that part is ridiculous and never happened.

 

Third, Hooker won state at 170 that season.

 

Fourth, did you even read the original post at all? I said my pics were subjective and ONLY division 1 wrestlers so I wasn't picking Hooker as the 170. Also another clue that tells me you didn't actually read it is what I said about Kramer and Boykin. Go back and read the original post.

 

Fifth, McCoy was a 2x state champ, a division 1 wrestler. Got to wrestle the best wrestler on the entire planet for a year before transferring to Chattanooga. If you're going to come out and say he "wasn't that good" you had better hope your credentials are better than his.

 

but like you said, I digress.

You are such an idiot.  

1.)  All I said was that I did not believe he was that good.  That is my opinion.  I did not say that he was not good because he got beat by Hooker.  You are the one who needs to re-read the post

2.)  It did happen and I have more class is my little finger than you have in your entire body.  Please stop with all of the lying.  It did happen as I know it for a fact.  It was the Grand Championships that Chuck Bean put on.

3.)  State Champ indeed

4.)  I did not pick Hooker.  Read the post again idiot

5.)  This is my opinion

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