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1 hour ago, hoosierdad said:

So, let me get this clear.  Alex beats Palmer, Palmer beats Noah, so Noah would beat Alex?  Are you kidding?  If Noah could not beat Palmer and Palmer could not beat Alex, then Noah is not going to beat Alex.  Plain and simple.  Alex is the best P4P in Tennessee.

How dare you bring sound logic into this argument 

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17 hours ago, hoosierdad said:

So, let me get this clear.  Alex beats Palmer, Palmer beats Noah, so Noah would beat Alex?  Are you kidding?  If Noah could not beat Palmer and Palmer could not beat Alex, then Noah is not going to beat Alex.  Plain and simple.  Alex is the best P4P in Tennessee.

you’re an idiot if that’s your logic. “noah is not going to beat alex” when they’ve never wrestled, may be the dumbest thing i’ve seen anyone say on here in a while, when you’re basing it off of a match from 2 years ago. 

whitworth won an airtight decision over palmer 2 years ago...palmer beat noah last year. for starters, alex didn’t decisively beat brayden, it could’ve gone either way and likely would go both ways if they wrestled multiple times..

secondly, i guarantee you that’s 2 completely different brayden palmers..had they wrestled last year or now...it’s likely a different story.

third..brayden and noah were teammates for a long time as kids and in high school..they’ve practiced together, rolled and drilled together for a long time..yes brayden is probably the better of the 2, but they know each other so well and have drilled together so much, that their 1 known wrestle off is a horrible measuring stick of “common opponents”. 

lastly...and i swear i should get this branded on my skin at this point because no matter how many times i say it some of you don’t listen...

styles..

make...

matchups...

just because A beats B, and B beats C, does NOT mean A beats C. just like every other sport is about the system’s you play in, wrestling is all about styles. i’ve watched backups for team A beat opposing starters, that starters for team A couldn’t beat. all because the backup stylistically matches up better with the opposing guy. 

in other words...alex vs brayden, and brayden vs noah...have absolutely NOTHING to do with a potential noah vs alex match/outcome. the common opponents rule only applies to seeding or maybe ranking. you cannot use that for who is the legit better wrestler. only head to head works there and that hasn’t happened yet so take your “plain and simple” logic and sit back down. 

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4 hours ago, Bump11 said:

you’re an idiot if that’s your logic. “noah is not going to beat alex” when they’ve never wrestled, may be the dumbest thing i’ve seen anyone say on here in a while, when you’re basing it off of a match from 2 years ago. 

whitworth won an airtight decision over palmer 2 years ago...palmer beat noah last year. for starters, alex didn’t decisively beat brayden, it could’ve gone either way and likely would go both ways if they wrestled multiple times..

secondly, i guarantee you that’s 2 completely different brayden palmers..had they wrestled last year or now...it’s likely a different story.

third..brayden and noah were teammates for a long time as kids and in high school..they’ve practiced together, rolled and drilled together for a long time..yes brayden is probably the better of the 2, but they know each other so well and have drilled together so much, that their 1 known wrestle off is a horrible measuring stick of “common opponents”. 

lastly...and i swear i should get this branded on my skin at this point because no matter how many times i say it some of you don’t listen...

styles..

make...

matchups...

just because A beats B, and B beats C, does NOT mean A beats C. just like every other sport is about the system’s you play in, wrestling is all about styles. i’ve watched backups for team A beat opposing starters, that starters for team A couldn’t beat. all because the backup stylistically matches up better with the opposing guy. 

in other words...alex vs brayden, and brayden vs noah...have absolutely NOTHING to do with a potential noah vs alex match/outcome. the common opponents rule only applies to seeding or maybe ranking. you cannot use that for who is the legit better wrestler. only head to head works there and that hasn’t happened yet so take your “plain and simple” logic and sit back down. 

while you are correct in that AvB and BvC does not always mean A beats C, but when 2 have not wrestled, all you can do is take common opponents to help determine rankings, and if you do that, Whitworth wins that without question. And outside of that, if you want to talk style match ups, I think Whitworth would be  a nightmare for Horst's style. 

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5 hours ago, PurpleWrestler said:

while you are correct in that AvB and BvC does not always mean A beats C, but when 2 have not wrestled, all you can do is take common opponents to help determine rankings, and if you do that, Whitworth wins that without question. And outside of that, if you want to talk style match ups, I think Whitworth would be  a nightmare for Horst's style. 

This is exactly my point.  If the 2 have not wrestled, you look at common opponents.

Bump11, you are the idiot.  The more you spoke the more it became clear.  Tattoo this.

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1 hour ago, hoosierdad said:

This is exactly my point.  If the 2 have not wrestled, you look at common opponents.

Bump11, you are the idiot.  The more you spoke the more it became clear.  Tattoo this.

lol yeah. i’m the idiot. for using actual logic for a matchup that hasn’t happened yet. not you who literally just asserted that noah will NOT beat alex based solely on results against Palmer, in 2 separate seasons. even though alex beat brayden by 2 whole points. and brayden beat noah by 3 whole points.. they are all very close and if they all wrestled 10+ times, i guarantee you not one wins all of them. they would all beat each other 

as far as common opponents, absolutely not. again..when it comes to tournament seeding or initial ranking...sure, use common opponent if that’s all you have. but for you to directly state that noah will not beat alex, based on 1...ONE common opponent which AGAIN...knows noah better than anyone because they’ve been practicing together for 10+ years...i’ve watched noah and brayden since they were elementary kids having been privileged enough to be around and be a part of the hendersonville generals club back then. notice how i haven’t stated that noah for sure beats alex or that alex “won’t beat noah” because unlike you i have a brain and understand the fact that until they wrestle, it’s all here say. everything is an opinion. so for you to blatantly state that there’s no way noah can beat alex, that statement is what makes you an idiot. all dumb logic aside...for you to openly state that noah will not beat alex, without any prior head to head result, is stupid. 

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5 minutes ago, Bump11 said:

lol yeah. i’m the idiot. for using actual logic for a matchup that hasn’t happened yet. not you who literally just asserted that noah will NOT beat alex based solely on results against Palmer, in 2 separate seasons. even though alex beat brayden by 2 whole points. and brayden beat noah by 3 whole points.. they are all very close and if they all wrestled 10+ times, i guarantee you not one wins all of them. they would all beat each other 

as far as common opponents, absolutely not. again..when it comes to tournament seeding or initial ranking...sure, use common opponent if that’s all you have. but for you to directly state that noah will not beat alex, based on 1...ONE common opponent which AGAIN...knows noah better than anyone because they’ve been practicing together for 10+ years...i’ve watched noah and brayden since they were elementary kids having been privileged enough to be around and be a part of the hendersonville generals club back then. notice how i haven’t stated that noah for sure beats alex or that alex “won’t beat noah” because unlike you i have a brain and understand the fact that until they wrestle, it’s all here say. everything is an opinion. so for you to blatantly state that there’s no way noah can beat alex, that statement is what makes you an idiot. all dumb logic aside...for you to openly state that noah will not beat alex, without any prior head to head result, is stupid. 

first this isn't tournament seeding, it's P4P rankings, so unless they have wrestled, what else do you have to go on? First would be common opponents. And if you look, there is more than one common opponent. 

I agree, if they wrestled multiple times, neither would win them all (assuming the same weight). Noah is one heck of a wrestler. But the discussion is, who is the best P4P in TN. and without a doubt, based on all the FACTS we have, that would be Whitworth. Without question. I would put Noah in my top 10, but not at the top. I think there are others that would earn those spots. BUT, that is just my opinion and since we will never see the 2 wrestle, I guess all we can do is give an opinion and reason why

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My money is on Noah.  I dont count/compare the Whitworth and Palmer match as that was 2 years ago, different styles and Palmer flat out gassed with a 3 point lead going into the 3rd period -then gave up 2 sets of back points.  Again all good kids but my vote would be Noah based on his style and coaching both Noah and Palmer for a few years.  Just to be clear Whitworth is a bad boy as well.

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2 hours ago, PurpleWrestler said:

first this isn't tournament seeding, it's P4P rankings, so unless they have wrestled, what else do you have to go on? First would be common opponents. And if you look, there is more than one common opponent. 

I agree, if they wrestled multiple times, neither would win them all (assuming the same weight). Noah is one heck of a wrestler. But the discussion is, who is the best P4P in TN. and without a doubt, based on all the FACTS we have, that would be Whitworth. Without question. I would put Noah in my top 10, but not at the top. I think there are others that would earn those spots. BUT, that is just my opinion and since we will never see the 2 wrestle, I guess all we can do is give an opinion and reason why

i’m not saying you’re wrong... nor am i guaranteeing noah wins...my issue isn’t with people thinking alex is better p4p. that’s your right to have that opinion. my issue is stating that there’s no way noah wins based on 2 airtight decisions between them and palmer. ESPECIALLY when brayden probably beats alex if they wrestle again that year. brayden was the better of the 2 and gassed with a 3 point lead in the 3rd. not saying that’s an excuse, and it’s still a loss..but makes it even worse that you use that result to say noah can’t beat alex.  also to reiterate my point from earlier, the palmer that alex wrestled and barely beat is a completely different wrestler than the one noah barely lost to a year later. Are you saying right now that alex is p4p better than palmer? based on this logic of them wrestling in the past, seems to be what y’all would think right? 

youre 100% right that they likely will never wrestle. so it’s all just opinions and heresay based on results from past seasons. but i just cannot agree with the logic that there’s no way noah wins that match strictly based on previous results with brayden

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1 minute ago, BQ125 said:

My money is on Noah.  I dont count/compare the Whitworth and Palmer match as that was 2 years ago, different styles and Palmer flat out gassed with a 3 point lead going into the 3rd period -then gave up 2 sets of back points.  Again all good kids but my vote would be Noah based on his style and coaching both Noah and Palmer for a few years.  Just to be clear Whitworth is a bad boy as well.

thank you.

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Not trying to be an A-Hole but if these two are the best P4P wrestlers in Tennessee who is recruiting them?  I just noticed where two Tennessee juniors have given a verbal to Army so surely these two young men have been standing in line to sign them.  

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2 hours ago, cbg said:

Not trying to be an A-Hole but if these two are the best P4P wrestlers in Tennessee who is recruiting them?  I just noticed where two Tennessee juniors have given a verbal to Army so surely these two young men have been standing in line to sign them.  

Not saying the others aren't in my top 10, and heck maybe those 2 are in Army's Top 2. It's all a matter of opinion, along with needs. 

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