warmachine7954 Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 14 hours ago, karl98 said: It was this didn't care mindset that created this whole situation not the NCAA. Remember Penny said he didn't read the rule book he knew basketball. Penny knew the rules. Penny broke the rules. However, this has nothing to do with the NCAA. Penny was not the coach at Memphis. I don't belive he knew he would be the coach at Memphis so soon. I can agree with the TSSAA but not the NCAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87vikingalumni Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 James Wiseman gets eleven (11) game suspension! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradertwo Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 hours ago, warmachine7954 said: Penny knew the rules. Penny broke the rules. However, this has nothing to do with the NCAA. Penny was not the coach at Memphis. I don't belive he knew he would be the coach at Memphis so soon. I can agree with the TSSAA but not the NCAA. Penny's prior donations to the university earned him the status of "booster". In theory, Wiseman would have been ineligible whether Penny was the coach or not, as the issue is a payment not available to all students notwithstanding athletic ability by a booster. All that Penny has accomplished in defiance of the rulings, is inflaming them to bring the hammer down hard on the school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrene Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 They broke all the rules both tssaa and ncaa so why is that okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrene Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 He received payment to play high school ball and the "coaching link" was OBVIOUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southtowner Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/memphis-star-freshman-james-wiseman-suspended-12-games-cleared-to-play-in-january/ar-BBX3L5z?li=BBnb7Kz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warmachine7954 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) Had Wiseman gone to Kentucky we wouldn't be hearing about this and if we did Penny would be a laughing stock, the NCAA would have done nothing, and Wiseman would be playing. Still, a booster of a school gave a player money. Is that not breaking the rules? Yes, it is. It’s only against the rules if the player goes to the school that gives him money. Schools give kids money often but if the kid doesn’t go to that school then no one says anything. The NCAA chooses who to hold accountable and who not. Sean Miller paid De'Andre Ayton $10,000 a month out of his own pocket and Miller still has a job at Arizona North Carolina set up phony classes and nothing was done. A swimmer, Joseph Schooling was paid 3/4 of a $1,000,000 by his native country for winning a gold medal in the Olympics. Got paid and no longer an amateur and now a rich college kid. He was not only eligible to swim in the NCAA but he won 6 medals. Who cares about NCAA swimming? No one. It doesn’t generate revenue. So they do what they want. Players get a Cost of Attendance stipend at many many schools. That's supposed to cover room and board, meals. books, etc... What's the "full-ride" scholarship for? Many of these kids, especially at big schools (Power 5) are eligible for huge pell grants too. So not only does the school and NCAA make money (big money) off of these 18-23 year-old athletes but they also want to dictate small parts of their lives for profit all while these young kids are putting their future at risk for little to nothing. There is no other system like it in the world. It makes billions of $$$$ and also makes the cost of college go up for other students. Fandom and notalgia are blinding people to the hypocrisy. Edited November 21, 2019 by warmachine7954 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warmachine7954 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Cyrene said: He received payment to play high school ball and the "coaching link" was OBVIOUS Nothing to do with high school. High school for James Wiseman is over. This has to do with the NCAA. East will probably have to forfeit their championship. The TSSAA relies on the schools to "do the right thing" when reporting transfers, eligibility, etc... Most, not all but most, schools in Memphis aren't going to turn others in because they don't want to A.) Get caught themselves, B.) hurt a kid’s future, C.) be seen as a person trying to hold others back, D.) All of the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karl98 Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 10 hours ago, warmachine7954 said: Nothing to do with high school. High school for James Wiseman is over. This has to do with the NCAA. East will probably have to forfeit their championship. The TSSAA relies on the schools to "do the right thing" when reporting transfers, eligibility, etc... Most, not all but most, schools in Memphis aren't going to turn others in because they don't want to A.) Get caught themselves, B.) hurt a kid’s future, C.) be seen as a person trying to hold others back, D.) All of the above So most schools in Memphis don't play by the rules? This has everything to do with cheating and playing by the rules. I believe Penny had prior knowledge of being the next Memphis coach while Tubby Smith was still there. He knew if he could get Wiseman to East then he would eventually follow him to Memphis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinadog Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 So say ME gets stripped of their title in 2017-2018, what does that mean for the teams that lost to them in the state tourney and what happens? Bearden would have been in the finals with Whitehaven, Just it just end there? Not that they'd play, but do both teams become the new state champions (with an asterisk) of is there no state champion for that year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradertwo Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Chinadog said: So say ME gets stripped of their title in 2017-2018, what does that mean for the teams that lost to them in the state tourney and what happens? Bearden would have been in the finals with Whitehaven, Just it just end there? Not that they'd play, but do both teams become the new state champions (with an asterisk) of is there no state champion for that year? Makes sense to award the silver to the loser in the semi's, and the gold to the loser in the finals... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBundy Posted November 24, 2019 Report Share Posted November 24, 2019 On 11/19/2019 at 8:28 PM, karl98 said: It was this didn't care mindset that created this whole situation not the NCAA. Remember Penny said he didn't read the rule book he knew basketball. Which tells me he didn’t intend to follow any set of rules anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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