No Cancellation

[pioneer42]

6 minutes ago, SportsWestTN said:

During track, spring break always fell during the middle of our season. We would stay in town and practice, but people that traveled were always told to run on their own because that week of no activity would lose a majority of their conditioning. You could always tell after spring break who had run and who had not. 

Basketball is a bit harder, because just going and running a couple of miles doesn't work the same muscle groups as basketball and it doesn't simulate the anaerobic nature of the sport. Even if these kids have been doing some stuff on their own, they are going to need a couple of weeks to even been remotely prepared to physically compete at a state championship level. I don't think it will be as simple as everyone getting back to school and then just going out and playing. Players will really need some sort of tune-up. I wonder if the TSSAA would allow tournament teams to scrimmage some non-tournament teams to help get back in shape? 

There are a lot of questions that will need to be answered if we get to see a tournament played. At this point, I think it is moot, because I don't expect them to get approval to play.

I know the kids will need two weeks minimum to practice before they play and some scrimmages would be nice. I know a lot has happened  since we played 12 days ago. Think the country needs a game changer especially with a drug to turn this thing around. Whole scare is we don’t have a way to treat it and we don’t have capacity in the hospitals. Not a great chance it can be fatal but there is that chance and we have seen lives taken already and it is a very sad situation.

[tradertwo]

3 hours ago, ecu said:

It really is conflicting what should be done. Many want to criticize our leaders but how many want to deal with the pressure they under. Older teachers would be the biggest concern for schools. I don’t see how Tennessee schools can go back with numbers still rising. It is ok to wait but at some point we need to have a date where we cancel spring sports. Hope everyone will stay in so we can get through this difficult time.

There are a select few leaders that need criticism right now... Pelosi and "the crew" have extended the negotiations by days already. A bipartisan agreement was all but approved when Pelosi stepped forward with "conditions" such as reduction of carbon footprints, extending travel visas, and an entirely new fiscal system run by the federal government that could endanger the privately run banking system. The socialist left wants to issue cards to each person connected to a government account, to be replenished periodically. She then accuses President Trump's package of leaning more toward business than workers, when workers will not have employment if their jobs aren't waiting for them when this is over. The socialists want to implement their visions of a government controlled and funded society, and are seizing this opportunity to twist the arm of the President to wedge their foot in the door. 

   Our school system is a microcosm of society... older teachers, administrators, custodial staff, maintenance, busing, and delivery personnel would be at risk, as well as students with chronic conditions themselves. The main risk in my opinion, would be the spread of the virus by students into their homes and to their families. With recommendations of restricted gatherings and social distancing from the CDC and WHO, should we consider gathering hundreds of potential carriers together every day, then dispersing them back into their homes each evening?

   

[catsfever]

4 minutes ago, tradertwo said:

There are a select few leaders that need criticism right now... Pelosi and "the crew" have extended the negotiations by days already. A bipartisan agreement was all but approved when Pelosi stepped forward with "conditions" such as reduction of carbon footprints, extending travel visas, and an entirely new fiscal system run by the federal government that could endanger the privately run banking system. The socialist left wants to issue cards to each person connected to a government account, to be replenished periodically. She then accuses President Trump's package of leaning more toward business than workers, when workers will not have employment if their jobs aren't waiting for them when this is over. The socialists want to implement their visions of a government controlled and funded society, and are seizing this opportunity to twist the arm of the President to wedge their foot in the door. 

   Our school system is a microcosm of society... older teachers, administrators, custodial staff, maintenance, busing, and delivery personnel would be at risk, as well as students with chronic conditions themselves. The main risk in my opinion, would be the spread of the virus by students into their homes and to their families. With recommendations of restricted gatherings and social distancing from the CDC and WHO, should we consider gathering hundreds of potential carriers together every day, then dispersing them back into their homes each evening?

   

Check out this site.  It should answer your question

https://covidactnow.org/state/TN

[SportsWestTN]

13 minutes ago, tradertwo said:

There are a select few leaders that need criticism right now... Pelosi and "the crew" have extended the negotiations by days already. A bipartisan agreement was all but approved when Pelosi stepped forward with "conditions" such as reduction of carbon footprints, extending travel visas, and an entirely new fiscal system run by the federal government that could endanger the privately run banking system. The socialist left wants to issue cards to each person connected to a government account, to be replenished periodically. She then accuses President Trump's package of leaning more toward business than workers, when workers will not have employment if their jobs aren't waiting for them when this is over. The socialists want to implement their visions of a government controlled and funded society, and are seizing this opportunity to twist the arm of the President to wedge their foot in the door. 

   Our school system is a microcosm of society... older teachers, administrators, custodial staff, maintenance, busing, and delivery personnel would be at risk, as well as students with chronic conditions themselves. The main risk in my opinion, would be the spread of the virus by students into their homes and to their families. With recommendations of restricted gatherings and social distancing from the CDC and WHO, should we consider gathering hundreds of potential carriers together every day, then dispersing them back into their homes each evening?

   

I'll leave the political part of this post alone, because I think there are significant issues on both sides of the aisle right now. 

Focusing on your second paragraph, the biggest factor in spreading of this virus is points of contact. People being around each other isn't inherently the issue. There isn't anything about a large gathering that summons this virus. However, if someone is infected, they are now at risk of infecting every person they come in contact with, and in turn every person that comes in contact with the people they've come in contact with, and so on and so forth. 

As of right now, with kids being out of school, if they are staying at home, the only point of contact for the virus is their parents, if they continue to work or leave the house. If they end up contracting the virus, it is contained to themselves because they aren't interacting with any additional groups of people.

The more avenues we leave open for people to come into contact with additional people groups, the higher rate of spread we will see. So you are correct in your assertion that it is harmful to bring hundreds of kids together every day allowing them to interact with one another, and then sending them back into their homes. They now have potentially carried the virus to everyone in their household, who can now spread it to their points of contact. (Which is why it was puzzling for me that the TSSAA postponed the tournament when they did, considering they were sending the kids back to be exposed to a higher volume of people at school)

Schools are one of the worst places to be if you are avoiding the spread of germs. Kids don't always practice the best hygiene. That combined with close proximity and many points of contact cause a significant increase in the spread of illness of any type. Every year schools battle with viruses and illnesses for this very reason.

This virus will likely not be eradicated anytime soon. Our one Hail Mary for this coming to an abrupt end is it not being able to survive warm weather, but there is no clear indication that will be the case. At this point we need to buy time to allow for treatments and vaccines to be created to help protect us from it. Who knows how long that will take, but going back to normal life at any point in the near future will seriously hamper the effort to keep people from getting infected and potentially dying.

Education is important, but we are finding out that in the 21st century, we have ways of doing this remotely, if even for just a short period of time. It is easy to keep schools closed and eliminate that as a possible added web in the spread of the virus. Similarly, I wouldn't expect interscholastic sports to resume until we feel comfortable enough to get schools open again.

[WillieTheWildcats]

6 hours ago, tradertwo said:

I understand a man (or woman) staying true to their word Willie, but as much and as fast as situations are changing daily, a little discussion is a good thing among friends. We all have opinions, we are all partially right and wrong, and I for one am apprehensive about how different our little corner of the world will forever be from how it was before. I'd love to hear your opinion on all these matters.

Thank you for offering me an opportunity to return to the discussion. I will decline because I can offer no opinions that will move the discussion forward.

I am a left of center Democrat who hates Socialism. I, in no way consider Bernie Sanders a Democrat. He himself has declared himself has an Independent for many years. He is just using the Democrats to move his agenda forward. Please, take notice the Democrat Party through many State Primaries have rejected both Sanders and Warren for a more Moderate Joe Biden. That is a provable fact if anyone thinks it is Fake News.

However, many on here have labeled me a Socialist / Idiot and at 56 years of age I am too old to care what people think of me and do not want to take the name calling fight on.

Why this discussion is not focused MOSTLY on Science and Health boggles my mind. The Democrats, the Media, Hollywood, CNN did not cause this WORLD WIDE Coronavirus. Hey, I love CNN but Don Lemon is a Journalism Graduate from LSU not an evil mad Russian Doctor out to destroy the Capitalist Countries in the name of Socialism. 

I hope this explains my unwillingness to rejoin the discussion. I take full ownership for my decision and do not blame anybody but myself for not posting.

I am solely focused on Oak Ridge's Tee Higgins place in the 2020 NFL Draft and every ORHS sports teams this current season and next season. I much enjoy people hating me for my UNDYING LOYALTY to the Wildcats then my Politics.  

Enjoy guys and I will watch with interest how this issue plays out. Pray, pray, pray.

[pioneer42]

2 hours ago, SportsWestTN said:

I'll leave the political part of this post alone, because I think there are significant issues on both sides of the aisle right now. 

Focusing on your second paragraph, the biggest factor in spreading of this virus is points of contact. People being around each other isn't inherently the issue. There isn't anything about a large gathering that summons this virus. However, if someone is infected, they are now at risk of infecting every person they come in contact with, and in turn every person that comes in contact with the people they've come in contact with, and so on and so forth. 

As of right now, with kids being out of school, if they are staying at home, the only point of contact for the virus is their parents, if they continue to work or leave the house. If they end up contracting the virus, it is contained to themselves because they aren't interacting with any additional groups of people.

The more avenues we leave open for people to come into contact with additional people groups, the higher rate of spread we will see. So you are correct in your assertion that it is harmful to bring hundreds of kids together every day allowing them to interact with one another, and then sending them back into their homes. They now have potentially carried the virus to everyone in their household, who can now spread it to their points of contact. (Which is why it was puzzling for me that the TSSAA postponed the tournament when they did, considering they were sending the kids back to be exposed to a higher volume of people at school)

Schools are one of the worst places to be if you are avoiding the spread of germs. Kids don't always practice the best hygiene. That combined with close proximity and many points of contact cause a significant increase in the spread of illness of any type. Every year schools battle with viruses and illnesses for this very reason.

This virus will likely not be eradicated anytime soon. Our one Hail Mary for this coming to an abrupt end is it not being able to survive warm weather, but there is no clear indication that will be the case. At this point we need to buy time to allow for treatments and vaccines to be created to help protect us from it. Who knows how long that will take, but going back to normal life at any point in the near future will seriously hamper the effort to keep people from getting infected and potentially dying.

Education is important, but we are finding out that in the 21st century, we have ways of doing this remotely, if even for just a short period of time. It is easy to keep schools closed and eliminate that as a possible added web in the spread of the virus. Similarly, I wouldn't expect interscholastic sports to resume until we feel comfortable enough to get schools open again.

School out until April 24th just heard statewide. Going to be interesting to see what happens. 

[BigEdMo]

Stick a fork in it. Sad to say but TSSAA needs to just call it and everyone can focus on what is really important. 

[ecu]

1 hour ago, pioneer42 said:

School out until April 24th just heard statewide. Going to be interesting to see what happens. 

So give everybody one week to practice (week of  April 27)  and finish Girls State on May 4 and 5. Boys could play May 7-10 . Is MTSU available? Start baseball and softball districts the same week. Is going to be tough to get it all in but can be done. Hope they can. Would love to see these coaches and players get the opportunity to finish.

[pioneer42]

50 minutes ago, ecu said:

So give everybody one week to practice (week of  April 27)  and finish Girls State on May 4 and 5. Boys could play May 7-10 . Is MTSU available? Start baseball and softball districts the same week. Is going to be tough to get it all in but can be done. Hope they can. Would love to see these coaches and players get the opportunity to finish.

Need more than a week. These girls could possibly be out for close to six weeks unless things change pretty quick. 

[pioneer42]

1 hour ago, BigEdMo said:

Stick a fork in it. Sad to say but TSSAA needs to just call it and everyone can focus on what is really important. 

They hadn’t yet and the girls have to treat it as if they are going to play or they will be even more out of shape than what they are going to be. I know coaches ought to be pretty adamant about getting at least two weeks practice if they do decide to play. 

Edited March 25, 2020 by pioneer42

[SJF]

10 minutes ago, pioneer42 said:

They hadn’t yet and the girls have to treat it as if they are going to play or they will be even more out of shape than what they are going to be. I know coaches ought to be pretty adamant about getting at least two weeks practice if they do decide to play. 

The quicker the adults in the room accept that it’s not going to take place the quicker the non adults in the room can move on! 

[pioneer42]

4 minutes ago, SJF said:

The quicker the adults in the room accept that it’s not going to take place the quicker the non adults in the room can move on! 

You need to tell that to the TSSAA. I understand where you guys are coming from, but until they cancel it it is in the back of your mind that they have to be ready.if they decide to play. I thought when they had the meeting last Tuesday that they were going to cancel and they didn’t. So you have to assume they will play until it is cancelled.