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1 hour ago, MidTennFootball said:

Don't need to have a great passing game when you have the best running back tandem in the state. I've never understood equating undersized as inferior, technique is gonna beat size.

In games against CPA and Lipscomb, Oakland overcame deficits of 10 and 14 against probably the two best private school programs in the state, at the very least 2 of the 3, setting fire to the notion that Oakland can't win coming from behind. You can't treat Oakland like a Wing-T team because they aren't, they're a multiple formation offense that happens to feature the Wing-T at times. Pretty much every variation of the Spread today started in the Wing-T

I'm glad someone started this thread, at the very least it opens up a fun debate

Never said that they can not win from behind, but it makes it much harder to do so when you have a running based offense like the wing T. One thing that has always been an advantage that Oakland has is that their defense has always been a top tier defense even back to Mcdaniel days and especially Creasy, and this allows them to primarily rely on run game. Although I would argue that the Air Raid, Run & Shoot, Veer & shoot, etc do not come from the wing t lineage, the way which teams play now and current athletic ability, there really is no "pure" offense anymore except in a few specific instances(think Mike Leach, June Jones, Rich Rod, etc). I will agree with you that Creasy has significantly diversified his offense since he came to Oakland, but he still loves that wing t lol. One point I will add is that at a certain point, you will eventually get beat if you do not have an advanced passing game. Oakland does not have to deal with this much as they are athletically superior to 99-100% of teams in TN, but once you meet someone who has as good or better athletes on defense then you will be forced to throw it. The best example of this I can think of to represent this for Oakland would be the 2016 Whitehaven game. I remember them just continually trying to pound the ball on Whitehaven that game and their defense did not budge bc they were incredibly talented that year, whereas if they had a better passing game then things more than likely would have went the other way.

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2 hours ago, 6one5 said:

Never said that they can not win from behind, but it makes it much harder to do so when you have a running based offense like the wing T. One thing that has always been an advantage that Oakland has is that their defense has always been a top tier defense even back to Mcdaniel days and especially Creasy, and this allows them to primarily rely on run game. Although I would argue that the Air Raid, Run & Shoot, Veer & shoot, etc do not come from the wing t lineage, the way which teams play now and current athletic ability, there really is no "pure" offense anymore except in a few specific instances(think Mike Leach, June Jones, Rich Rod, etc). I will agree with you that Creasy has significantly diversified his offense since he came to Oakland, but he still loves that wing t lol. One point I will add is that at a certain point, you will eventually get beat if you do not have an advanced passing game. Oakland does not have to deal with this much as they are athletically superior to 99-100% of teams in TN, but once you meet someone who has as good or better athletes on defense then you will be forced to throw it. The best example of this I can think of to represent this for Oakland would be the 2016 Whitehaven game. I remember them just continually trying to pound the ball on Whitehaven that game and their defense did not budge bc they were incredibly talented that year, whereas if they had a better passing game then things more than likely would have went the other way.

I will agree with you about Whitehaven in 2016, a lesson which Oakland took to heart two years later in the title game. I will say Oakland threw for 2,000 yards in 2016, so it was a matter of choice, rather than execution

Do I think you need to at least be a credible threat to throw the ball? Absolutely, but I dont think you need a great passing game, at least not in this state. If you have a good group of backs, solid up front and a good defense, that formula wins titles more often than not

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23 hours ago, TnBear said:

One of the Cleveland teams in the early 90s may have something to say about it. 

‘93 Cleveland remains the best I ever saw, but never got credit because they really didn’t play anybody until they met Brentwood Academy in the final. ‘94 Cleveland was very good, not great. I’m still not sure how we won state in ‘95. ‘94 Riverdale and ‘87 Jefferson Co. would probably rank as the next best two that I saw in Tennessee. 

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21 hours ago, Haydiboy said:

No kidding the early 90s was Cleveland hey day I remember  saying Cleveland seems more like am average middle of the road team lately and my dad showed me all about how good their teams were in the 90s in both basketball and football. Was probably one of the best teams to ever come out of south east Tennessee.  Now it seems like more of the talent  shifts toward bradley central.  I remember back in the 00s when bradley was lucky to go 3-7 or 4-6 but something in the culture their completely changed around 2010 or 11

If you look at Cleveland’s history, all of their success, even under Coach Monroe, came when they played in the 2nd highest class in the state (AA in 82, 4A in 93, 5A in 13, etc.) they have never experienced a lot of success, outside of their district/region, when playing in the state’s largest class. I remember Bradley going 0-10 one year when I was in Tennessee. 

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I saw Oakland beat a very good Maryville team last year 49 7. Maryville was undefeated and beat the 3A State Champs Alcoa when they met Oakland  last year.  That Oakland team along with the 93 Cleveland team was the best 2 teams I ever seen Maryville play. 

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17 hours ago, 6one5 said:

Lol are you being serious? Riverdale definitely had D1 talent during the 1990s. Also, the 2008-2009 MUS team, 2012 Ensworth, and 2015 and 2017 BA would absolutely beat this team. Oakland while a good team, has a mediocre pass game at best and undersized Oline and Dline. The wing t is a good offense but when you play a team with either an offense that can score quickly and make you have to match it, or a team with a superior Dline, then it struggles which is evident by the games Creasy has lost in the past, and this has been shown even this particular season to be an issue. Oakland will more than likely win state because of their outstanding skill players, but imo would have issues with several teams I listed, as well as even some this season

Don’t soil your pants.  I have a right to my opinion, just as you have the right.  When you look at the number of D-1 football players now in Rutherford County compared to the 90’s there is no comparison.  It is directly related to the increased population.  

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23 hours ago, SweetScience said:

Whaaaat? Antron Peebles, Alvin Duke, Fernando Bryant, David Coppeans, Gerald Griffin just from the ‘94 team alone. Every one of them was an SEC recruit, and Bryant had a career in the NFL. And there were others too I can’t recall off the top of my head. Riverdale had a plethora of D1 talent in the 90s.

Yes, they did have some talent.  However, my point being is that overall there is more D-1 talent in RUCo now then back then.  

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Oakland should it run the table and win the 6A title will have put itself in the discussion with victories over CPA, LA and Riverdale before the play-offs event start.  Best teams I have seen:

'90 Lincoln County

'92 Gallatin

'94 Riverdale

'95-'96 BA

'99 MBA

'04 Maryville (so many good Quarles teams from that era; maybe a different one is the best)

I can't remember the Ensworth years but maybe '11 or '12 when they had Jefferson, Darkwa and Elder all in the same backfield...

 

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It's pretty hard to compare todays teams against teams 10-20-30 or more years ago as being the best ever because they will never play each other.Much more easy to say what are the top 5 or 10 teams from every year going back for decades.As to what teams would I say are flat out the greatest in the history of the state ,well that wouldn't exactly mean they are the very best against teams several years in any direction. No question the only team to ever win a a state playoff with only one class would be considered the best team in the state hands down for that year but could the 1938 Elizabethton team compete with todays athletes,well that's a pretty easy "no" but they have to be considered one of the greatest teams because of what they done that year.How about those three teams that have been voted National champions.I'd say all three would have to go down on the greatest list but could teams from the 50'S or 70's compete,same answer against todays very best.So, being that there is no right or wrong answer,I'd say it's everyones guess as to who the best is but Batman has several that would for sure be on the greatest list for their time in history.

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