Observation/Thought/Possible Change

[panther14]

I've saw, it, you've saw it, we've all saw it.  The district tournaments are almost over for a group of four to play.  The Consolation game is played before the Championship game.  Yeah, yeah, hear me out.

Ok, so is the consolation game even "worth" playing anymore?  Hmm, let's see.  

Ok, consider the situation: In the Region Tournament,  District A's top four plays District B's top four, in the 1 v 4, 2 v 3 usual format.   

All of the District A, and the District B teams have played OR have scrimmaged each other and know each other VERY well.

So, the night of the consolation games, the better of the 3 or 4th seeded/winners decide, "Hmm, now if we win 3rd place we gotta play in Team (B or A's)  Champ's bracket (The overall favorite and way better of the two District Winners), but if we lose we'll get in other Champ's bracket."  So, we need to....

Yep, you guessed it, they "throw the game."  They fool around, miss easy lay-ups, halfheartedly play D, miss free-throws, commit TO's, etc, etc, etc. 

So again I ask, is the consolation game "worth playing," anymore?  

Ok, if it is, and one doesn't want to mess with tradition, then so be it, case closed, move along, move along...

BUT, if one wants to make the consolation game IMPORTANT, there is another way to make the WHOLE District Tournament worth fully "competing" in.  Yes, this would eliminate a school from participating in the region, but consider it just for a moment.   

District tournament goes on as played, however, only 3 teams advance to the Region, with District champs getting a bye.  Yes, I KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN.  

I'm just tired of teams "throwing/tanking/whatever you want to call it," the games.

 

Oh, well, .... happy Regioning...

[Bobcats83]

Let all 4 teams go but only play the championship game.  3/4 based on season.  Then have all 4 teams in different regions so they don’t have to beat up on each other over and over 

[BallIsLife1]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:52 PM, panther14 said:

I've saw, it, you've saw it, we've all saw it.  The district tournaments are almost over for a group of four to play.  The Consolation game is played before the Championship game.  Yeah, yeah, hear me out.

Ok, so is the consolation game even "worth" playing anymore?  Hmm, let's see.  

Ok, consider the situation: In the Region Tournament,  District A's top four plays District B's top four, in the 1 v 4, 2 v 3 usual format.   

All of the District A, and the District B teams have played OR have scrimmaged each other and know each other VERY well.

So, the night of the consolation games, the better of the 3 or 4th seeded/winners decide, "Hmm, now if we win 3rd place we gotta play in Team (B or A's)  Champ's bracket (The overall favorite and way better of the two District Winners), but if we lose we'll get in other Champ's bracket."  So, we need to....

Yep, you guessed it, they "throw the game."  They fool around, miss easy lay-ups, halfheartedly play D, miss free-throws, commit TO's, etc, etc, etc. 

So again I ask, is the consolation game "worth playing," anymore?  

Ok, if it is, and one doesn't want to mess with tradition, then so be it, case closed, move along, move along...

BUT, if one wants to make the consolation game IMPORTANT, there is another way to make the WHOLE District Tournament worth fully "competing" in.  Yes, this would eliminate a school from participating in the region, but consider it just for a moment.   

District tournament goes on as played, however, only 3 teams advance to the Region, with District champs getting a bye.  Yes, I KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN.  

I'm just tired of teams "throwing/tanking/whatever you want to call it," the games.

 

Oh, well, .... happy Regioning...

This has been done before in Middle TN, the "throwing games" part.

Edited February 24, 2022 by BallIsLife1

[WestTNHoopsFan]

On 2/22/2022 at 3:52 PM, panther14 said:

I've saw, it, you've saw it, we've all saw it.  The district tournaments are almost over for a group of four to play.  The Consolation game is played before the Championship game.  Yeah, yeah, hear me out.

Ok, so is the consolation game even "worth" playing anymore?  Hmm, let's see.  

Ok, consider the situation: In the Region Tournament,  District A's top four plays District B's top four, in the 1 v 4, 2 v 3 usual format.   

All of the District A, and the District B teams have played OR have scrimmaged each other and know each other VERY well.

So, the night of the consolation games, the better of the 3 or 4th seeded/winners decide, "Hmm, now if we win 3rd place we gotta play in Team (B or A's)  Champ's bracket (The overall favorite and way better of the two District Winners), but if we lose we'll get in other Champ's bracket."  So, we need to....

Yep, you guessed it, they "throw the game."  They fool around, miss easy lay-ups, halfheartedly play D, miss free-throws, commit TO's, etc, etc, etc. 

So again I ask, is the consolation game "worth playing," anymore?  

Ok, if it is, and one doesn't want to mess with tradition, then so be it, case closed, move along, move along...

BUT, if one wants to make the consolation game IMPORTANT, there is another way to make the WHOLE District Tournament worth fully "competing" in.  Yes, this would eliminate a school from participating in the region, but consider it just for a moment.   

District tournament goes on as played, however, only 3 teams advance to the Region, with District champs getting a bye.  Yes, I KNOW IT WON'T HAPPEN.  

I'm just tired of teams "throwing/tanking/whatever you want to call it," the games.

 

Oh, well, .... happy Regioning...

I can not love this enough!!! I would love to see this change. It not only makes the consolation game very important but it also rewards the district champion with a bye in region. I'm all for this.

[crazzyness]

Heck, I'd be totally fine only taking 3 teams to Regionals, but that's above my pay grade I reckon.

[noonesfool]

great idea

 

[chill]

TSSAA wants their 18% from the gate. If they could play more post season games to get their cut then they would. 

[CoachAnderson]

I have coached HS basketball since 2001 in A LOT of places: Puerto Rico, Washington State, Hawaii, North Carolina, Alaska & Tennessee (Beech and Franklin) & in my opinion the state tournament process in North Carolina is the best.

Basketball season in NC looks a lot like the NCAA model and consists of:

1. Non District games (non-conference)

2. District games (conference)

3. District Tournament (conference tourney)

4. 64 Team SINGLE ELIMINATION State Tournament. (Always thought that if you loose in the post season, your season should be over!) Higher seed hosts all the way through the Elite 8. (Region semi’s = Elite 8, Region Finals = Final 4). East Region semi’s & finals played at UNC-Greensboro West Region semi’s & finals played at UNC-Charlotte. State title game is at Dean Dome the following weekend.

**Teams are required to enter schedule & scores into M@x Pr3ps and their algorithm is used for ranking.

**Teams can eliminate 1 non-district loss from algorithm to encourage tough scheduling.

**District Tourney Champ get auto bid, each District gets 3 guaranteed into tournament (makes consolation game VERY important).

**Remaining seeds set via M@x Pr3ps rankings

**Bracket is broken up East & West. Take furtherest East school and move westward until you have 32 schools for the East Bracket and remaining 32 schools are in West Bracket. The following year start furtherest west and move eastward. If one mid-state school has to go East and their in-district rival West, TOO BAD! 
 

There would only be 1 less game.

In Tennessee there’s 10 post season games: District 11AAA Tournament  = 3 games, Region 6AAA = 3 games, SubState = 1 game, State Tournament = 3 games
 

In North Carolina there’s 9 post season games: MEC Conference Tournament = 3 games, Round of 64 = 1 game, 32 = 1 game, 16 = 1 game, 8 = 1 game, 4 = 1 game, ‘Ship = 1 game.

Teams that are in a weak league will only get 3-4 teams in and teams that are in a strong district (Memphis, WilCo, etc) will get multiple teams in the State Tourney. In NC there’s usually 5-7 teams from the top districts in and around the Raleigh-Durham area in the post season, which is how it should be. You finish 5th in a tough district, you’re in but you’re on the road. 

TSSAA still gets all their State Tournament $$$ (home crowds would be big w/o having to pay big bucks to MTSU. 

Region semi’s & finals possibilities: 

West = UT Martin(??) Bethel(??)

East = Tennessee Tech(??) UTC(??)

Title game = Vandy, MTSU, TSU???

Not a perfect plan BUT it’s a potential solution. 

Edited February 26, 2022 by CoachAnderson
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