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1 hour ago, Swipes said:

Or maybe parents of the students can talk to their own school board since they make these policies. The TSSAA isn’t going to tell a school board how to run their school district or put a rule out there saying since Jimmy or Susie is a good football, soccer, basketball, etc player and you have a policy that’s says you can accept out of zone students we have to move you up.  Who is to say that Jimmy or Susie doesn’t help the school other than sports when it comes to academics or if the school helps Jimmy or Susie more than the school they are zoned for? The TSSAA doesn’t want to open those can of worms and be open to a law suite since all schools are open enrolled and can change their school board policies at anytime.  

The TSSAA does ser classification. They have made changes to the Division 2 classification criteria. Maybe it will also be part of Division 1 criteria. This has nothing to do with school board policy.

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1 hour ago, GoOrange1965 said:

The TSSAA does ser classification. They have made changes to the Division 2 classification criteria. Maybe it will also be part of Division 1 criteria. This has nothing to do with school board policy.

Let’s just make an another division, maybe division 3……. It does have to do with school board policy when every school in Tennessee can accept transfer students outside of the zone and every single public school is open zoned.  Do some school boards accept and attract more out of zoned students? Yes. Can other school boards do the same? Yes, if they want to.

If the TSSAA tries to make a rule that public schools have to change classifications because the percentage of out of zoned students  then you will see lawsuits. Like is said the TSSAA doesn’t want to open up that can of worms

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9 minutes ago, Swipes said:

Let’s just make an another division, maybe division 3……. It does have to do with school board policy when every school in Tennessee can accept transfer students outside of the zone and every single public school is open zoned.  Do some school boards accept and attract more out of zoned students? Yes. Can other school boards do the same? Yes, if they want to.

If the TSSAA tries to make a rule that public schools have to change classifications because the percentage of out of zoned students  then you will see lawsuits. Like is said the TSSAA doesn’t want to open up that can of worms

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42 minutes ago, Swipes said:

Let’s just make an another division, maybe division 3……. It does have to do with school board policy when every school in Tennessee can accept transfer students outside of the zone and every single public school is open zoned.  Do some school boards accept and attract more out of zoned students? Yes. Can other school boards do the same? Yes, if they want to.

If the TSSAA tries to make a rule that public schools have to change classifications because the percentage of out of zoned students  then you will see lawsuits. Like is said the TSSAA doesn’t want to open up that can of worms

Georgia, prior to this school year, counted each out of district student as 3 students for ADA purposes for several cycles. There was no threat of lawsuits. They scrubbed it this cycle to try something else. 

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25 minutes ago, Swipes said:

Let’s just make an another division, maybe division 3……. It does have to do with school board policy when every school in Tennessee can accept transfer students outside of the zone and every single public school is open zoned.  Do some school boards accept and attract more out of zoned students? Yes. Can other school boards do the same? Yes, if they want to.

If the TSSAA tries to make a rule that public schools have to change classifications because the percentage of out of zoned students  then you will see lawsuits. Like is said the TSSAA doesn’t want to open up that can of worms

He's reading the words Swipes, but the meaning of them ain't entirely sinking in. School boards set the criteria for their own system entirely. They set whether there is tuition, from what line of delineation there is tuition, and how much tuition from "out of zone" is required. The kicker is that there is no percentage of out of zone enrollment if the board doesn't set a zone. TSSAA really doesn't give a rip from where you acquire students...the only issue that they have is whether they follow the transfer policy, and even that is about to drastically change (IMO). TSSAA has no record (again, doesn't care) of whether any student is closer to school A, but chose to enroll at school B, or how far from school B his residence is. If your school has stricter enrollment restrictions than another school that you believe gives that school an advantage over yours, that's not a problem for them, it's an issue that your school board can address to satisfy your concerns.

 This (IMO) is one of our country's greatest problems...my granddads' generation thought that if someone was ahead of you, that you needed to work harder and be smarter to get to where they were or beyond. My grandkids' generation resents that someone has it easier than them and wants to pull them down to where they are, or that someone should help them (give them something) get to where they want to be.

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3 hours ago, tradertwo said:

He's reading the words Swipes, but the meaning of them ain't entirely sinking in. School boards set the criteria for their own system entirely. They set whether there is tuition, from what line of delineation there is tuition, and how much tuition from "out of zone" is required. The kicker is that there is no percentage of out of zone enrollment if the board doesn't set a zone. TSSAA really doesn't give a rip from where you acquire students...the only issue that they have is whether they follow the transfer policy, and even that is about to drastically change (IMO). TSSAA has no record (again, doesn't care) of whether any student is closer to school A, but chose to enroll at school B, or how far from school B his residence is. If your school has stricter enrollment restrictions than another school that you believe gives that school an advantage over yours, that's not a problem for them, it's an issue that your school board can address to satisfy your concerns.

 This (IMO) is one of our country's greatest problems...my granddads' generation thought that if someone was ahead of you, that you needed to work harder and be smarter to get to where they were or beyond. My grandkids' generation resents that someone has it easier than them and wants to pull them down to where they are, or that someone should help them (give them something) get to where they want to be.

I know what both you and Swipes are saying. I am not advocating TSSAA do anything. If Swipes thinks TSSAA is afraid of lawsuits just look back at BA and it went to the Supreme Court. Who won? What changed? More classes of competition. Then more divisions. The pattern is to try and adjust. Many people say it's because of money. Some say level the playing field. Some teams will probably never be competitive. Some teams probably always will. There was also a multiplier for classification in the past. Who knows what is next.

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20 minutes ago, GoOrange1965 said:

I know what both you and Swipes are saying. I am not advocating TSSAA do anything. If Swipes thinks TSSAA is afraid of lawsuits just look back at BA and it went to the Supreme Court. Who won? What changed? More classes of competition. Then more divisions. The pattern is to try and adjust. Many people say it's because of money. Some say level the playing field. Some teams will probably never be competitive. Some teams probably always will. There was also a multiplier for classification in the past. Who knows what is next.

Not that it matters in this discussion but ask someone on the inside about that lawsuit...TSSAA came precariously close to bankruptcy litigating that single case. I get that you see the evident "unlevel" playing field as a problem, but that's not in TSSSAA's power to adjust, even if they (I'm guessing they wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole) had the incitive. Whomever you see as being restricted...they have the unbridled authority to remedy it immediately if they choose to, just as you have the authority to attend a meeting of the board, and as for it to be addressed publicly.

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16 hours ago, GoOrange1965 said:

So maybe how you use your open enrollment policies should be looked at more closely to see if it is benefiting or changing the school or just the football program is benefiting. If open enrollment is being used to benefit only football then adjustments in classification to where you are playing could be made. In a related matter, the proposed 1 time transfer rule will just make recruiting or so called recruiting more of a problem. The rich will get richer. In Knoxville County it will turn into a 2 time transfer rule. 

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12 hours ago, chs1984 said:

Georgia, prior to this school year, counted each out of district student as 3 students for ADA purposes for several cycles. There was no threat of lawsuits. They scrubbed it this cycle to try something else. 

Then why did they change it?  I looked up when they had that rule for a short period of time and also had the Private School and Public Schools still playing in the same division and made the Private Schools take their zone as the closest public school near them. (I don't like when a non school entity tries to tell a school what their school zone is and should be up to their own Board of Education.)    Now they are having a Private School Championship from A-3A thats separate from the Public Schools.

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8 hours ago, GoOrange1965 said:

I know what both you and Swipes are saying. I am not advocating TSSAA do anything. If Swipes thinks TSSAA is afraid of lawsuits just look back at BA and it went to the Supreme Court. Who won? What changed? More classes of competition. Then more divisions. The pattern is to try and adjust. Many people say it's because of money. Some say level the playing field. Some teams will probably never be competitive. Some teams probably always will. There was also a multiplier for classification in the past. Who knows what is next.

I'm sure they are afraid of a lawsuit after they almost went bankrupt fighting that one case like tadertwo said and barely winning 5-4 on a Vote.  Imagine a class action with multiple public schools going after you for trying to put a rule that could dictate how a school board has to  word their School Board Policies. I don't think the TSSAA wants to open that can of worms

Like I stated before ever public school has the same playing field, it's if your school board wants to admit and attract what is classified as "Out of Zone" Students.

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