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On 10/5/2022 at 5:05 PM, cowcatcher said:

How many guys does Cleveland have on scholarship? Exactly.

All of them?

On 11/1/2021 at 12:17 PM, sx1234 said:

You coach there?  Had a kid that was a senior or something?   Impressive to note details of duals from 15 years ago

I had sons that were seniors both those years. 

On 10/29/2021 at 9:25 AM, cowcatcher said:

The past few years, Cleveland and Baylor are night and day above everyone in the state as far as "dominance" goes, and the next best is not even close. Since 2000, here are the facts:

State Titles (not including duals)

1. Baylor (12)

2. Bradley Central (10)

T3. Cleveland (8)

T3. Father Ryan (8)

5. Pigeon Forge (6) - A/AA

6. Soddy Daisy (3)

7. CBHS (2)

T8. Clarksville (1)

T8. Hixson (1) - A/AA

T8. Gibbs (1) - A/AA

McCallie has won 2 dual titles ('03 and '06), but I don't think they have even beaten Baylor in a dual since '06 when they had Gordon Connell coaching. Have they even beat Cleveland in the past 10 years? I would expect better results from the state's "most dominant" team with all that DI talent. LOL. McCallie's dominance came with Gordon Connell and ended when he stepped down.

That aside though, 6 DI wrestlers is impressive. 

 

McCallie's last regular season dual victory was in 2004. They beat Baylor in the state dual finals in 2006. The regular season team score at McCallie wasn't close with Baylor winning every close match. Enough of the toss ups went the other way in state duals finals for McCallie to win the championship.

No McCallie?

Congratulations to Baylor for a preseason #4 ranking behind Wyoming Seminary, Blair, and Malvern Prep. and to McCallie at #10.

2 hours ago, TrustMe said:

Since the Father Ryan teams of the mid teams were referenced...you actually can go through track and look this up, I like research so I did.

I do not think anyone can deny this was a dominant performance by Baylor & Baylor broke the tie with the win and has won 16 Traditional State Championships to Father Ryan's 15 (both very impressive).

Baylor 2020: Score: 248.5 Champions: 6/ Runner up: 2/ 3rd: 4/ 4th: 1 (total medalists: 13- lowest being 1 4th)

This team is on par with the best Father Ryan teams of the mid teens with the best being in 2015 and their team score was 0.5 better than this years Baylor team!

Father Ryan 2014: Score: 233.0/ Champions: 3/ Runner up: 5/ 3rd: 3/ 4th: 2 (total medalists: 13)

Father Ryan 2015: Score: 249.0/ Champions: 7/ Runner up: 2/ 3rd: 2/ 5th: 2/ 6th: 1 (total medalists: 14)*

This team placed all 14, but 2 in 5th and 1 in 6th

Father Ryan 2016: Score: 247.0/ Champions: 7/ Runner up: 2/ 3rd: 1/ 4th: 1/ 5th: 2/ 6th:1 (total medalists: 13)

Father Ryan 2017: Score: 239.5/ Champions: 5/ Runner up: 3/ 3rd: 1/ 4th: 4 (total medalists: 13)

Great teams across the board, but I definitely put this years Baylor team on par with the best Father Ryan teams of the mid 2014-17...AND Baylor looks to return pretty strong next year!

Thanks for the research  

1 hour ago, durdon said:

Yes, Father Ryan had 7 state champs in both 2015 and again in 2016. 

I meant to  focus more on the 13 top 4 finishes. Has that been done before?

13 placers at 4th and above with 6 champions. Has that been done before?

Baylor is currently in 2nd place. A good showing for Tennessee so far. 

23 hours ago, Guest said:

Better ideal... Let RK tell her..

bcb iii

Wow- what a surprise. Welcome back BCB. 

I like your idea but I bet that doesn't happen.

15 hours ago, Rasslinking said:

Ding ding ding..... if they can get anyone they want, are they really doing a good job recruiting?

That's a good question RK. Apparently you believe Mrs. Manson needs to take it up a notch. I'll have that discussion next time I see her. 

Christian Brothers 12th, McCallie 8th, and Baylor 5th. Impressive showing for Tennesee contingent. 

30 minutes ago, cobrakid8 said:

He can improve his educational opportunities, but let's not even try to paint it that way because if it was wrestling wouldn't be in the picture! If it's for academics sit out the year to wrestle and there is no issues, if it's for wrestling come out and say it, I was a teacher and spent my time in both public and private, I had kids in public school that would whip private school kids academically, you usually get out academically what you put in no matter where or what school, but let's not pretend most of these were academic reasons. Now as for their school picking up wrestling I tried to look that up and didn't see it, although even a new program can do well, I don't see that as a reason to leave a school, heck I remember a wrestler at Lookout Valley that had NO other wrestlers and so he traveled to practice with Soddy Daisy and became a 2 timer and yet still wrestled under the Lookout Valley name, good wrestlers can come from anywhere. 

There is no doubt there are brilliant kids in public school doing amazing things academically. They've made choices and are excelling within those choices. However, at the same time, there are a lot of people making the choice to pay a lot of money for the perceived academic benefits of these private schools. If those benefits aren't there then a lot of people are wasting significant amounts of money. Either way, if a family believes there is value in attending these schools, and they happen to have a kid who dreams of college athletics, are you saying that the kid should have to give up a year of eligibility, thereby jeopardizing their college athletic opportunities, in order to transfer to the school of their choice? Other than Ad's and coaches who want to minimize competition I don't see how that benefits anyone, particularly the kids. 

Only missed two. Pretty impressive. 

13 minutes ago, FRHSIrishVol said:

 

I remember that match very well and also remember the Ryan staff repainting two bathroom stalls after the racist comments and drawings were made by a Baylor fan or wrestler after the match. It was not a good moment for the school or the sport of wrestling in the State of Tennessee, but a lot of teaching moments off the mat on issues that we face in society by a small population of ignorant people. 

That's  a pretty creative and selective memory.

1 hour ago, PurpleWrestler said:

Wysong and Miller both sat out a year, so I really don't have an issue with their transfers. The Bowers family moved across the state for personal reasons. But the other 2 transfers should not have been allowed. This type of move, gives these boarding schools a huge advantage that no one else can compete with. That along with the recruiting they are doing, just is way over the top. They brought in 2 new transfers and 3 new out of state recruits to make sure they won a title. Well, it worked, congrats. But does not show anything more than money can buy you just about anything. Except manners. Some of the parents, one man in particular, in the way they were acting during the 170 finals was ridiculous.

 

Is the point here that an athlete should be punished for wanting to improve their opportunities both athletically and academically? It may come as a surprise to many on this board but there is much more to the decisions and sacrifices these families make than  only wrestling. If a school wants to compete then compete. Penalizing a kid because his family chooses to improve his educational opportunities is a pretty cheap way to do it. 

 Regarding the 170 match, it brought back memories of FR/Baylor matches of old- the name Provenzano rings a bell. If you believe that last night one side acted with exemplary sportsmanship, both on and off the mat, while the other one did not, you are mistaken. 

Hmmm- McCallie loses by 16 at home to Baylor and they're still ranked ahead of them. Makes sense to me. 

2 hours ago, Twofdr said:

Any one got the individual results?

The last time McCallie beat Baylor in a dual was in the state dual finals in 2006. 

The Big Red takes it 40-24. 

Big win for Baylor on McCallie’s home court. 

Baylor’s Mason Reiniche has commited to wrestle at the next level for the Cornell Big Red. He follows previous Baylor wrestlers Jordan Leen, who was an NCAA champion for the Big Red, and Corey Manson. 

Congratulations Mason- seems like a perfect fit to me. Coaches Koll, Grey, and Hahn done good. 

Boyd Buchanan has put together a great coaching team. The above mentioned Manson told me recently that he is confident that it is only a matter of time for Boyd Buchanan to be state champions with Shane at the helm. 

On 11/4/2017 at 10:13 PM, KingGreene said:

Wow. Shane Turner. Another great wrestling mind! Been coaching youth since I was in HS. I was fortunate to have him as a coach at Junior Duals and learned a lot in just that one week. Corey Manson speaks very highly of him and credits him for a large part of what he was able to accomplish. 

That's a great group of coaches there! No doubt going to produce a lot of successful teams and wrestlers.

On 11/4/2017 at 9:04 AM, durdon said:

McCallie encourages their highly developed MS wrestlers to travel and wrestle nationally instead of wrestling for the McCallie MS team.  You will see most of them wrestling for the Minions or HCB at all the major National Duals and entered into all the major national tournaments like super32, Dixie, Philo, Tulsa, Liberty etc..  

Also, a large percentage of the MCCallie varsity wrestlers will enter McCallie as freshman or 8th graders wrestling HS so they are not at McCallie for MS Wrestling. 

This year, McCallie picked up 3 Varsity wrestlers who enrolled as 9th graders, 2 varsity wrestlers who were at McCallie for MS who only wrestled nationally and will pick up one 8th grader who will wrestle nationally until he joins the HS varsity team after Christmas. None of those 6 varsity kids wrestled for the McCallie MS season. 

And just FYI, If all the rising  8th and 9th grade kids from this current upcoming class that have currently applied and committed to enroll at McCallie next year actually show up on campus next fall then McCallie will have a completely different lineup next year and it could be one of the best this state has seen in a long time.

Does this mean that McCallie will win the Baylor dual?