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I am so happy that something good has come from this and maybe it will bring more attention to the match should it happen to another wrestler further down the road.

As a wrestler, I don't know what have embarrassed me more... My mom getting on this public forum to complain about the officials or the fact that there is an accompanying video of me getting flattened, hammerlocked and pinned! uhhhh,..Thanks?

I didn't post the video, however..I had Trents permission before I posted anything.

Stephanie,

 

I would ask you to let this manner go (at least in a public forum like this).

 

People get on here just to put fuel to the fire sometimes and know how to toy with emotions.

 

Personally I believe Trent was out of bounds from the perspective of the video...but from a referee's perspective (which many times can be a judgement call), it may have looked differently.

 

The best thing I would say to Trent is don't get hammerlocked like that ever again and it won't matter what the referee's perspective is.

 

Good luck at state!

 

Coach Knepper

 

 

 

 

Thank you Coach for the advice. Fortunately I'm not thinskinned and don't allow things posted on here to toy with my emotions. I needed an answer and had three different ones given to me before this post and none were accurate with what was in the rulebook. I learned a new rule today. see ya at State!

OneBlindRef & TNKO2,

 

Thanks for taking the time to pull what you believed were the relevant passages.

 

However, the passage pulled by OneBlindRef does not cover the topic I asked for which was where the statement that once out of bounds the scapula were no longer supporting points and the feet became supporting points. This was the issue xbody was trying to bring to light and disagreed with the interpretation of. This section instead is focused on when it is proper to restart from that position assuming Wrestler A remains inbounds.

 

The passage quoted by TNKO2 does specifically state that in this situation the scapula are the supporting points of the defensive wrestler and not the feet as was stated previously. Based on that interpretation it would seem that an out of bounds should have been called as it does appear that the offensive wrestler was out of bounds.

 

These are the type of conversations that are worth having when all sides can be open to the possibility that either was wrong and allow the rulebook to help take out some of the subjectivity. As TNKO2 stated, you get to learn something here. Of course, I wouldn't expect most referees to necessarily get this right the first time in the heat of a match... that is difficult as many have already stated. Calls are made and in the long run you will find that they balance out either in the wrestler's individual career or through a coach's career. Of course it never feels that way at the time.

 

All of that said, until more officials in the state of TN learn to adopt the learning approach it will be tough to continue to improve. It is important for all involved to be willing to sit down later and look at the call rationale and objectively to see if we can better ourselves from it. The officials should strive to learn how to call the situation better and the coaches should learn the nuances and how to review the situation during the match with the official to see if it can be broken down to a misapplication of a rule of it was truly a judgement call.

 

I am hoping that was the intent of this conversation. To bring the situation to light so that everyone can be bettered by it and allow it to be called correctly per the intent of the rules the next time someone is in that situation.

That was the EXACT intent on the post. It doesn't change the outcome of the match. Both boys are AWESOME wrestlers and had a very exciting match going! I truly appreciate all input recieved by everyone that posted. I'm simply a mother...I don't know all the rules, therfore...I have to ask. it's a mothers instinct to protect and defend her child, and I'll probably do this til the day I die. My son loves the sport and I do as well. thank you again for your responses.

Stephanie Hancock

I actually never said that he would have questioned authority the point I was making was he never even asked about it and I have heard Trent ask me questions about certain things before not in a disrespectful manner more of a friendly hey what do you think kind of thing Trent is a very respectable kid

EXACTLY!! thats the reason I gave the explanation. You obviously know my son.

It was made clear before the finals started who was allowed on the floor.

 

As to officials being all around you, that is incorrect. The officials who were not on the mat for the

finals or consolation finals are sitting down in the background of your video.

 

Once again proving my point of the ignorance of the rule book as there is to be no one within 10 feet of the table except for scorekeepers and clock operators.

 

We as officials can only do so much for crowd control because our main focus has to be on the mat. The administrators of the host facility are responsible for crowd control per the rule book.

 

BTW, your previous post states you didn't take the video but you now indicate your were beside the table. If you were in two places at once, you obviously have a talent we could use next year if you are willing to purchase a gray shirt.

Never did I state I was even on the floor...re-read the post...I said the team camera person was beside the table.

It was made clear before the finals started who was allowed on the floor.

 

As to officials being all around you, that is incorrect. The officials who were not on the mat for the

finals or consolation finals are sitting down in the background of your video.

 

Once again proving my point of the ignorance of the rule book as there is to be no one within 10 feet of the table except for scorekeepers and clock operators.

 

We as officials can only do so much for crowd control because our main focus has to be on the mat. The administrators of the host facility are responsible for crowd control per the rule book.

look...this is irrelevent to this post...the officials I'm speaking of are the officials that ref'd the match as they were waiting to start the match because they were handing medals out of another match...again not my video!This video was recorded by the team cameraman. And I agree! the tournament director/scorekeepers/tableworkers should have asked the camera person to leave.

Which was still not supposed to be on the floor due to the crowd control issues we had earlier.

Standing right beside the table with officials all around and never asked to move.

Just an observation....

 

Before the finals started, it was made very clear that only wrestlers, coaches, officials and table workers were to be on the floor. This video appears to be taken from the floor.

 

Assuming you shot this video as a parent, why were you on the floor, where you were not supposed to be anyway?

this is not my video...mine was recorded from the stands...this was the team video

GOOD CALL! When the bottom wrestler bridged out of bounds his feet clearly stayed inbounds which became his supporting parts, at the same time top wrestler came back in putting shoulders of bottom wrestler inbounds, CLEARLY A GOOD CALL! You might want to rethink posting video when it shows that you are wrong, just a suggestion.

On the contrary...it was one foot not two and the last i've read one foot doesn't constitute staying in bounds. You don't award a takedown if "one foot" is inbounds..it requires both. I didn't post the video...If you read the rest of the posts...they were questioning the call and wanted feedback from others. I think the poster was trying to get a general concensus on the call.

GOOD CALL! When the bottom wrestler bridged out of bounds his feet clearly stayed inbounds which became his supporting parts, at the same time top wrestler came back in putting shoulders of bottom wrestler inbounds, CLEARLY A GOOD CALL! You might want to rethink posting video when it shows that you are wrong, just a suggestion.

I think it was a good "no call" on the out of bounds. Looks like the top man spun around to keep a supporting point in bounds (foot) as the supporting point of the bottom wrestler rotated out of bounds.

Regardless of the top wrestler spinning around the fact is..they were out of bounds and it should have been brought back to the center

I as an official love this stuff... This topic was never mentioned by anyone in the gym saturday not even Trent himself. Trent came over to me after the match I congratulated him and told him good luck at state he said thanks and smiled. The kid never once made an excuse just admitted his loss and went on sounds like a few might wanna take some advice from the kids just a thought

Anotherref...of course Trent didn't question you..He was raised not to question authority.. by me, his mother!! And my son doesn't make excuses..thats the reason he smiled and said thank you. Trent was sure the pin was good and no out of bounds called because he thought Goldsteins feet were in bounds. The question was made by me, and after reviewing the video in the car on the way home Trent questioned it also so I asked someone to review it and thats what they posted. Every referee doesn't call things the same..that was evident this past weekend. I can respect that too. However, this was a region championship that should have been watched really closely, regardless of the fast and furious activity.

The reason for this post is stated above...were they out of bounds? Thats the question..not who won or lost.

at 140, the Cosey/Williams match didn't happen because Cosey was a no show. I think they said he had bronchitis.

thats what i thought at first , but then it said brennen cox won a forfeit 18-0

I never got past Little...

those are team scores

sorry blonde moment..lol..I thought they were giving match scores(wasn't paying attention)

heard the Little Isbell match went into overtime? and does anyone know about hayden jordan, why didnt he wrestle Cox again?

how did it go into overtime if the score was 12-0?

Not sure why u chose your 119 if u ck last year state brackets Bates lost to Freeman 12-2 i'm sure he has improved but i'm sure Freeman has as well anyway good luck to all of them

I'm sure it was probably because Bates's win at Bradley last weekend.

Boone was up 10-4 before getting caught in a cradle. The Hall/Hames match if I remember correctly was within a few points and Hames got caught in a cradle also.

You are correct on the match with Boone however, wrong on the match with Hames...Hames scored no points at all

Congrats to Stone Memorial for claiming the 2010 Eagle Challenge Duals Championship. The Panthers defeated Heritage in the final. Also, congrats to William Blount for finishing 3rd by defeating South Doyle in the consolation final.

 

Congrats especially to the Parents and volunteers of the Seymour Wrestling program for their wonderful efforts with this event.

Thank you for helping us Friday and all throughout the tournament Coach Lauderdale. We needed ya!

WRESTLING COMMUNITY,

 

DOUG NEWMAN (2009 TN. WRESTLING HALL OF FAME COACH)IS THE NEW WRESTLING COACH AT NASHVILLE STRATFORD HIGH SCHOOL. HE IS STARTING THIS PROGRAM IN A VERY POOR SECTION OF TOWN. HE SAID "THE KIDS ARE GREAT, BUT POOR AS CHURCH MICE". ONLY HALF OF HIS WRESTLERS HAVE WRESTLING SHOES. THE OTHERS PRACTICE IN THEIR SOCKS. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR USED, CHEAP OR "FREE" WRESTLING SHOES.

 

I AM SURE THIS IS NOT AN UNIQUE PROBLEM. THAD LITTLE SENT OUT A MESSAGE TO ALL OF THE COACHES EARLIER THIS YEAR WANTING TO COLLECT USED SHOES TO GIVE TO UNDER PRIVILEGED WRESTLERS. THAT WAS A NOBLE EFFORT AND I FIGURED HE WOULD GET HUNDREDS OF PAIRS. I TOLD COACH NEWMAN ABOUT THAT AND CONTACTED THAD. HE SAID THAT NO ONE SENT HIM ANYTHING.

 

I KNOW THAT MOST WRESTLERS HAVE SEVERAL PAIRS OF SHOES. I REALIZE THAT SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE VERY SENTIMENTAL. BUT, THERE IS A GREAT NEED OUT THERE. PLEASE SHARE YOUR GOOD FORTUNE AND WEALTH WITH OTHERS.

 

IF YOU CAN HELP CONTACT DOUG NEWMAN 615-400-4589 dougnewman1966@comcast.net

 

OR

 

THAD LITTLE bucboy82588@yahoo.com

 

THANKS FOR LISTENING,

 

THE ANIMAL

Coach....I'm not sure if they are actually keeping them for sentimental value. We, here at Seymour, donate used wrestling shoes to the AAU program and to our middle schoolers...by the time they are through with them the soles are gone.

Some prediction that you have made being as you just registered and that was your first post.

You do not need to single out one kid! I think it is pretty clear who you are though.

 

Anyhow...I hope you know Ethan gets on here and reads this so I hope you are proud of yourself.

 

Ethan...We know you are up to the challenge. Don't let idiots like this mess with you, they are just

jealous because you are from Bradley. You have the target on your back so now show them the

Bulls Eye!!!

I hope your not insinuating that the poster is Luke Hall, I can assure you he would never post on here. And, if you look at the other posts by toughy..lol...hes asking questions that Hall would already know the answers to since this is his third trip to state.

Seymour moved up this year.

Seymour moved up this year.

It's Rye Cove, Virginia.

Yeah, I know...I found it