Jump to content

BurroBall

Members
  • Posts

    707
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by BurroBall

  1. Henry County in 2008. They had gone 12-2 the previous year, and returned a boat load of talent. That team started 2 SEC recruits at both QB and RB who were seniors. Over all, there were 10 players on that team who went on to be offered football scholarships. 3 of them were seniors, and 7 of them were juniors. Crazy thing is, they didn't even lose to Maryville. They lost in the semis to eventual 4A state champion Hillsboro 31-24. Maybe not the best team to never win state, but personally the best team I've ever seen that didn't even make it to state. I mean that team rolled over EVERYONE. It almost seemed like destiny for us to meet Maryville in the title game, but Hillsboro would have none of it. It was like we hit a brick wall in that semifinal game. Although I must admit that Hillsboro team was awesome. I'm not sure I've ever seen a high school defense with as much speed as they had. And they did go on to end Maryville's 74 game winning streak the following week, so at least we lost to the champs lol.

     

     

    I agree. I was impressed by that 2008 Henry County team. I'll admit, after the 2006 semifinal game against Henry County, I didn't expect them to be as good as advertised because the vast majority of the teams they played that year were so inferior, I thought for sure when they finally played a good team that could compete with them, they would find themselves illprepared and crumble. BUT they gave HHS all they wanted.

     

    Shoot, Marsalis Teague ran around right end for a stupid long TD on the first play from scrimmage and then played CB that game and came clear across the field from the opposite hash to out-jump Eric Gordon in the redzone for an interception in one of the most athletic plays I've ever seen at the high school level. Then, he returned a kickoff for a TD in the final minutes to pull Henry County to the final score of 31-24. I can still remember that game vividly. The atmosphere, emotion, and big-time plays being traded by several future Division 1 athletes scattered all over the field. It was one of the best football games I've seen at the high school level.

     

    Congratulations, btw to Henry County's football team on winning their first state championship in football this past year. If I remember correctly, they lost in the semifinals in 2006, 2007, and 2008. I speak from experience when I say, it's always euphoric to finally break down a barrier like that.

     

    I have to also throw HHS's 2001 and 2002 teams up for some consideration and I believe I likely would get some Maryville fans who remember those games to agree with that mention. Both went 14-1, losing to some very good Maryville teams in consecutive state championship games by a combined 10 points.

  2. When Coach A came you would have thought the word PASS was taboo and not in his vocabulary.

     

    I can certainly testify to this being the case at HHS under Aydelott. It was an extremely rare occurrence to see HHS teams throw the ball when he was there.

     

    Look, the Wing-T is not a bad offense in and of itself, by any stretch. It has been plenty successful for various coaches across various levels of football. Where Aydelott's problem WAS (as apparently he has now gone to passing pretty often out of it, and beat Blade's Oak Ridge team in the quarterfinals this past season in addition to Riverdale winning the district) his teams could regularly count on beating teams (SOME very good teams, btw) with tremendous defense and a running game for the ages that would just force opposing teams into physical and mental submission.

     

    However, if his team ever did get behind late in a close game, they had a hard time moving the ball and scoring very quickly. I always wonder what would have happened against Maryville in the 2001 and 2002 state championships if Aydelott and Hemontolor would have been less resistant to passing the football, but I digress. Bottom line to me is Aydelott finally being willing to throw out of the Wing-T is best for his success and his program's.

  3. my comments made no such suggestion BUT there are only 38 kids in TN that had DI offers last yr and if i only include 2 DII AA schools off the top of my head, those 2 had almost 1/4 of them. I'm talking only 2 DII AA schools!! will be the same way this yr and even more next yr as i know who is being recruited - i have some of them at my home every wkend. as i said maryville is a very good team but when you have to play ensworth, baylor, brentwood academy, MBA (yes even on a down yr), and others in successive wkends you need to be on your A game all of the time. Maryville does not face that type of competition on successive wkends.

     

     

    So, why then do people such as yourself feel the need to try to diminish Maryville's accomplishments in these debates by reminding them that even though they just won another state championship they wouldn't beat__________? Maryville's obviously no legitimate threat to DII-AA schools on the gridiron. Why not just let those lunatics who think they are, enjoy their fantasy? I mean that's what the SEC country fans typically do with Big 12 the next generation fans.

  4. oh brother, you can harp all you want, DII football is the best in the state. I've seen them all play. M-ville is a good team and their coach does a great job but DII football is the strongest across the board. Ensworth is not the only DII team that would beat them. And, up until 2 yrs ago, I lived a mile from the USA #1 rated team (in the US), coached some of those boys and my son played with them. There are at least 2-4 DII teams that would beat them (don bosco) should they have to play top teams wk after wk. The gold standard in football in TN is DII. You only need to look at where the DI recruits are coming from. There is a reason why the state made them go to their own division. I had the head recruiter for one of the top college pgms in the country at my tailgate a few wks back, and i asked him what schools in TN do you follow? Every single one was a DII school. Yes i'm sure the posts will now begin to refute this one but you keep on being delusional. In the end doesn't matter anyway, its only HS football.

     

     

    Who's harping? I'm just blown away by how many folks continue to try and diminish Maryville football's accomplishments under George Quarles. 9 gold balls and 2 silver balls since 2000 SHOULD kinda speak for themselves.

     

    Look, I'm not saying Maryville can't be beaten. Obviously they have been. I'm saying everyone TALKS about how their team would or will beat Maryville. Not many teams have managed to follow through over the recent years.

     

    At seemingly every turn, Maryville has been met with attempts to "put them in their place" in debates such as the current one about Ensworth, yet ON THE FIELD, they continue to win far more often than not.

     

    As for the college scholarships in DII-AA, you may very well be right.

  5. I agree Maryville is the Gold Standard of TN football since 2000 but based on tssaa Standard Ensworth is the Gold Standard of TN football because private schools are the best of the best in TN that why they put private schools in a class all by them self.

     

     

    Well, we can agree to disagree on that. MUS would have likely beaten Maryville in 2009. Other than that, I wouldn't say anything of the of the sort.

  6. 1)Congratulations to the Maryville Rebels on yet ANOTHER state championship in football! :thumb: It's truly remarkable the success George Quarles continues to lead Maryville to in football.

     

    2) How on earth do people continue to try to diminish Maryville football under Coach George Quarles? When they played in 4A, they were told they would never dominate 5A like they were dominating 4A and weren't given the proper credit for playing and beating the exceptional HHS and Melrose teams they faced. Now, they are playing in the highest public school classification and still dominating against those same types of teams as shown by beating Whitehaven this year in spite Whitehaven being an exceptional team themselves. I mean, losing to HHS and White Station in the state championship and Alcoa in consecutive years doesn't all the sudden mean Maryville is a washed up program. As much as I hate their past success against HHS, they ARE the gold standard of high school football in Tennessee since 2000.

     

    Ensworth has an exceptional football program, no question, but they aren't Maryville. I'm sure they would probably compete well against Maryville, maybe even give Maryville a good scare, but giving Maryville a good scare and ACTUALLY beating Maryville are totally different things. See HHS, Melrose, and Alcoa's games over the last decade for reference. From those references one SHOULD logically deduce that until you beat Maryville, you end up spending your time merely talking about beating Maryville.

    • Upvote 1
  7. http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111027/SPORTS07/310270047/High-school-football-coaches-prefer-old-playoff-system?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

     

     

    Heck yes ...go back to the old system or just throw the present playoff system out the window :popcorneater:

     

     

     

    Of course, what would be ideal, is: Keep the 3 Division 1 classifications for the playoffs (rather than dividing them up) and the top 2 from each district make the playoffs. Again, not even remotely mentioned as an option in the article, because as it points out the TSSAA makes more money with more playoff classifications/games. However, THAT is still the simplest to understand, generates the greatest competition, and keeps the nice district setup that is in place currently. Still one of my sports related pipe dreams though I'm afraid, along with NCAA Division 1-A football playoffs (32 team bracket) and a MLB-quality minor league system for the NFL and NBA.

  8. How Does God Fit In at School

     

     

    “They don’t see school as being part of the government,†he said. “They think of them as being ‘our schools’ and as belonging to the community.â€

     

     

    Okay, so the next time a high school football team wins a state championship should we hold a victory parade in the federal government's honor instead of the school/community?

     

    FYI, for those who want to argue about Founding Fathers' intent, Thomas Jefferson (the one most often quoted by those who would like to force such discussions to occur exclusively inside the walls of a church building) was very likely not a Christian, given that he did not believe in the Holy Trinity, the Virgin Birth, or that Jesus performed miracles (his knowledge of science would not allow him to accept such contradictions to scientific law)...some pretty fundamentally required beliefs. That being said, Jefferson was very upfront about his belief that the Bible and the teachings of Jesus were the highest morality available to humankind. He quoted Scripture and referenced God regularly in his public speeches while POTUS. He also took the time and effort to piece together his own personal Biblical stories in what is known as the "Jefferson Bible". Read About it HerePretty tedious task, compounded by the time period in which Jefferson lived.

     

    Also, one more thing about Thomas Jefferson is that while he was one of the great proponents of public access to a free education, he NEVER desired that to be something run or even funded by the federal government, but rather by the local and state levels. Of course, that is why I wanted to draw attention to the quote above from the article. It flies in direct opposition to that idea.

  9. I'll refrain from giving my opinion on the content in the article itself. I will simply say that the success enjoyed during the 10 year period from 1999-2008 by HHS football was not an accident or a lucky streak. 2 time State Champions, 3 time State Runner-Up (all to Maryville), 7 semifinal round appearances, 10 winning seasons and playoff appearances. In all likelihood, it won't be duplicated by any other school in MNPS. Once again, a sincere appreciation and congratulations to ALL those people who contributed to making it possible. TRULY a special group of people that were involved and a special time for HHS. :thumb:

  10. Congratulations to the Maryville Rebels on recapturing the gold football at the state championship and their first in the state's largest classification! :thumb: Certainly earned it! I know us who have been in Burro land can certainly relate to the jubilation and satisfaction that comes with claiming gold after two consecutive years of silver! ;)

  11. I grew up in the Vier. But I'm a Spread convert. And my "B" offense is the Power I. And I like checking off at the line to go to one to the other. Which takes versatile skill players in order to make it work. The spread is dependent on one quick TB who must see the field. This in order to take pressure off the air game. Not just any TB will do. He has to have change of direction skills and be quick off the line. An understanding of the cutback and the 6 TB techniques. This same TB will set the Power I on fire. Most traditional schooled RB's don't like or understand running out of the Spread. The ones who acclimate to it are given the keys to the kingdom.

     

     

    For example, former HHS RB Jacques Seward.

  12. As far as I know, it was just that one year. Hillsboro had great talent and a lot of speed. Those jet plays were game changers.

     

     

    It's a real conundrum because HHS had all the talent and athleticism at the time to run ANY offense they wanted to.

    Aydelott's running the Wing-T and refusing to throw out of it actually greatly hindered HHS against Maryville in consecutive State Championship games, BUT at the same time allowed Aydelott to have much of the great success at HHS.

  13. You and DAD56 were two of the classier posters for HHS. Others seem to bash the other Metro programs. All I was saying is that now the times have changed and HHS is in a rough cycle. In order to get back to being competitive its simple......win. You all had your run because kids saw you all win and wanted to be a part of it. Now that you are losing the kids want to go elsewhere. I have seen in my area where kids want to go to CR now. I dont think that will last long though because they arent winning. Hillsboro also made a poor judgement in going with the Williamson County Schools. That was a decision made all about money and not what was best for the kids. Just my opinions.

     

     

    I think we've discussed this before, but keep in mind that HHS didn't have Open Enrollment status until 2003. They were winning before kids decided to jump on board from other areas. HHS football benefited from that status in the long run, no doubt, but that was hardly ALL of the reason for HHS football's success. HHS's growing reputation as the best school in MNPS helped the football program more than the football success alone, in my opinion, but you are correct that winning helped too, I would be naive to think otherwise.

     

    Let me know if I misunderstood, but isn't there a new rule in MNPS regarding enrollment and zoning that allows a student to choose where they want to go, pending they provide their own transportation. Therefore, a student basically can go wherever their parents desire within MNPS?

     

    If so, that should be very nice for MNPS schools and students, but I maintain that the football programs' successes will be based on the coaching staffs first and foremost. I've seen Maryville outcoach too many uber-talented and uber-athletic teams in the last decade (HHS 3 times, Melrose twice and Maplewood once) to believe otherwise.

     

     

    As for HHS changing districts for football, there were multiple advantages:

     

    -Obviously they generate more money being in District 11 than in District 12 where Boy's Basketball is king and crowds are inconsistent (HHS fans included in the inconsistency).

     

    -District 11 has been the district for HHS athletics in every sport except football for years. The opportunity to keep continuity was very appealing.

     

    -District 11 provides competition that figures to be better long term than District 12 (could change some now though given the new coaches everywhere).

     

    -District 11 is still pretty competitive in Boy's Basketball, albeit not at the level of District 12.

     

    I think the latter three were definitely in consideration of the best interest of the kids, in ALL sports, including football. The pros of being in District 11 outweighed those of being in District 12.

  14. For several years many Hillsboro fans trashed the other Metro schools. Hillsboro fans would talk of dominance while other people said the cycle is coming back around. Well the cycle is back around. How does it feel when the tables have turned and now you all are searching for answers on how to just be competitive. I like the school and the coaches but some of your fans are getting a taste of their own medicine.

     

     

    Well, I'm sure there were HHS fans who acted naive and stupid. However, speaking for me, I knew the HHS football dominance wouldn't last forever. Maryville's dominance didn't last forever. BA's didn't. MBA's didn't. Why would HHS football be any different?

     

    That being said, I've said it before and I will say it again: let me know when any MNPS football program has a 9 year run like HHS had from 2000-2008 (111-15 overall record, 88% overall winning percentage, 9 playoff appearances, 7 semifinal round appearances, 3 time State Runner-Up and 2 time State Champion).

     

    Shoot, there are now 3 MNPS football programs with former HHS assistants as their head coach (Phillips @Whites Creek, Gore @McGavock, Hemontolor @Hunters Lane). Therefore, let me reiterate that I believe HHS football has a very long and tough road ahead of them. I definitely don't see them ever reaching the prominence they enjoyed during the aforementioned timeframe. However, runs like that are just flat out RARE and don't come around, but 1-2 times in a lifetime, maybe. I am just glad I was able to witness it happening at HHS. Best of luck to the MNPS programs this fall!

  15. Walter Fisher, Joe Sanders, Alvin Fite, Tim Gray, Marcellus Tibbs, Calvin Bryant....

     

    Um, I think you forgot Chris Russell, John Henry, Brad Doss, and Brian Price. LOL

     

    Of course, there will always be quality athletes in some capacity at HHS. For example, Alex Crutcher, Eric Gordon, and Corey Jordan were as good of athletes as anyone ever at HHS and they were on the 2008 team. The key is coaching up the talent you've got. The lines the last 2-3 years have been playing with their backs against the wall, when it comes to size.

     

    I personally think HHS has a long road ahead of them on the gridiron, and despite what the opposing fans say, it hardly has to do with the depth of District 11-AAA. ALL the HHS football teams from 2000-2003 or 2005-2008 would have had no problem competing and likely winning their fair share in District 11-AAA.

  16. Congratulations to Coach Hemontolor! So, now, Phillips is the HC at Whites Creek, Gore is the HC at McGavock, and Hemontolor is the HC at Hunters Lane....quite a few former HHS football coaches are now head coaches somewhere. Of course, Coach Myers is also the HC at Springfield. Not to mention, Blade and Aydelott both moved on to be head coaches at traditional state powerhouses. That's just good stuff! I wish them all well in their current programs!

  17. 4.) The 2003 Class 4A State Championship Hillsboro Burros were a force winning their final 14 games in route to a state title. The 27-26 semifinal win over Melrose was one of the better games ever played.

     

     

    THAT was a game for the ages! Still probably the single most exciting football game I have seen at any level. Unfortunately, it was ultimately the end of Calvin Bryant's football career. :thumb:

  18. Let's have a little discussion of the following:

    1.Best Current Metro Head Football Coach?

    2. Best Metro coach of the last 25 years?

    3. Best Metro coach of all time?

    4. Best Metro team of last decade?

    5. Best Metro team of last 25 years?

    6. Best Metro team of all time?

    7. Best Metro player of last decade?

    8. Best Metro player of all time?

    9. Best current Assistant coach ?

    10. Best assistant coach of last 25 years

     

    (All you youngsters might have to call an old timer.)

     

     

    I'm not even going to try to touch some of these. However:

     

    1. Terry Anderson

    2. Maurice Fitzgerald/Ron Aydelott

    4. HHS 2001/HHS 2002

    5. Pearl-Cohn 1997

    7. Joe Sanders/Chris Russell

    8. John Henderson

    9. Terry Hemontolor

  19. Better yet, why not divide the teams equally and have 32 of 100 teams in the A, AA, AAA playoffs. Or increase it to 48 of 100 make the playoffs.

     

     

    Well, 48 of 100 would require first round byes for 16 teams. Also, I think 48 out of 100 is a bit too much, as the problem of teams with losing records making the state playoffs would resurface.

     

    It would be ideal to have an equal number of schools in each class of Division 1. I'm not sure if anything outside of student enrollment determines classification, as that would likely be the obstacle to that.

  20. BurroBall you are right on top of it. If you aren't good enough to be in the top two then you stay at home and get ready for basketball. If we kept it like it is with only the two top teams it would weed out a lot.

     

    It's not going to be that way, it allows the TSSAA to have more control of who goes after the 1st 2 teams. You will notice they didn't say they were going to reduce the number of teams or games due to money$$$$$$$$$$

     

    Of course it's not going to be that way again. That way would make too much sense from a competitive standpoint, and ignore the financial standpoint. The TSSAA needs to make money and they wouldn't get the kind of revenue they need from only 3 Division 1 state championships. Ergo, they have a system now that is terribly watered down, in order to have the revenue of 6 Division 1 state championship games.

     

    However, that would be the very best way, I think, and it would actually return significant value to making the state playoffs, because a team would have to be one of the top 32 teams of 114 teams in class AAA, 32 of 106 in class AA, 24 of 80 in class A.

×
  • Create New...