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7 hours ago, Swipes said:

I know it sounds cliche but hard work, running the same system from pee wees up, good coaching (Pee Wee Up), and Community support.  I dare to say no one outworks the Greene Devils when it comes to weight training, speed training, proper nutrition, ect. If your not playing another sport you are training.  A lot of former players are now coaching their Kids in Pee Wee and running the same system the middle and high school is running since most played under Ballard when he was an OC under Zeller and McCurry.  They know what it takes to build up to be a Greene Devil.  Greeneville in General loves their Football and community support is huge wether that being providing pre game meals, buying Greene Devil Cards or Strawberries, and showing up and supporting their team and community.  It's a Culture thing now so little kids growing up in Greeneville want to be the next Ballard, Hite, Gillespie, Gudger, Dabbs, etc.

A well funded, highly organized, tightly monitored and well coached youth league system is the backbone of just about any highly successful program. 

On 11/8/2021 at 10:17 AM, blazer1set said:

Science Hill has always had the athletes, they just can't seem to put together a winning combination.

Pretty good article in the Johnson City Press entitled "Where were the fans?" (link below).      Science Hill is the 4th biggest school in the state and there were only 600 fans at their game with Farragut.    Clearly community support is not there for the Toppers, and although I can't stand SH as a team those kids deserve way better than what their fan base is giving them.      Does all that go back to Carter?     That I'm not sure, but it sure wouldn't hurt if the fans could get behind their team.

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/sports/where-were-the-fans/article_e9e3ff2a-3f35-11ec-9567-0b42832c80d3.html

It's not just a Science Hill problem. It's a high school football in general problem. What type of crowd would D-B have w/o band families? It'd still be more than Science Hill, but it would be a noticeable drop. Right now, I hear the West Ridge crowds have been good, but it's a new thing and they've had a successful year that's been beyond expectations. Seems like most of the better crowds come from the smaller communities, or extremely successful programs like Murville. Here in South Florida, there are some really big schools that rarely draw more than 500 or so. Locally, Treasure Coast high school has an enrollment of nearly 3K and ranked in the top 5 of Class 8A, but some home games they'll be lucky to have 300-500 people. I think in general, a lot of old timers like me who used to come out and support the schools are either dead or just unable to make it out, and the "younger" crowd really doesn't care unless they have kids in school who are playing. 

2 hours ago, Wolves2022 said:

No, you post implied that these were the teams that DB played and has contributed to their lack of success of DB.  Who else in the area did they play besides these that has hampered them.  How far do you want to go back 30, 40, 50?  Maybe the days when the Sports Writers picked the state champion, instead of playing it on the field.  Don't blame other school for their lack of success.  

Again, your reading comprehension is terrible. I told another poster that I agreed AND disagreed that lack of competition in NE TENN hurts because...well, lack of competition hurts everyone no matter who you are, but also helped from a standpoint of D-B getting tons of playing time for the younger players. It's far from the biggest problem that D-B faces in advancing further in the playoffs, but that's been discussed here ad nauseum. 

1 hour ago, Wolves2022 said:

Quit trying to make excuses.  DB played:

Central 5 games

Volunteer 5 games

East 0

Since 2001 (20 years) these are the only times DB played them.  Good try.  DB is a big school with no success.  We'll tell Maryville next Friday DB says hey.

Waco has already pointed it out, but your reading comprehension stinks. I was also going back more than 20 years, which I'm guessing is before you were born. 

On 10/31/2021 at 7:13 AM, BarneySox2007 said:

The whole area got weak is one of the problems. When all these small schools consolidated most weren't worth a crap as small schools and your playing them week end and week out. A lot of this consolidation came about in the late 60's and spread everywhere in upper East Tennessee. DB got infected by playing down to worthless teams in the area and still has. The band issue has also changed things as years went on also. Imagine a school that has a popular rock act preforming at all their halftimes, you know why the crowd is there for. I set on the top row about the 47 yard line at Maryville games and every home game a flood of mothers come up there to record their kids playing in the band from visiting teams which is great but you never see anyone come up to record their son playing football. Politics has also infected DB which is no secret. From a visitor point of view going there the stadium sucks on the visitor side and some of the rules they have make you feel as if you were going to be searched and inspected for a possible hole in your underware and made to leave if you did.

Agree and disagree. Yes, D-B has played a ton of weak opponents over the years, but most of them have been teams they were required to play. They've always tried to schedule good teams in their out of conference games. The games against teams like Central/East/Volunteer, etc. have hampered them with the lack of competition, but OTOH, have provided tons of playing time for younger players to develop. IMO, the thing that has hampered D-B more than anything has been the lack of highly organized, tightly monitored youth league programs that the high school coaching staff is heavily involved in. Those leagues should focus on fundamentals like blocking/tackling/rules of the game and have everyone running the same basic offensive and defensive packages of the high school program. 

As for tonight...

Murville 49

Tribe 14

Roll Tribe anyway

4 hours ago, rebelwoman87 said:

Rocky’s Jamaican Sunrise is very good. Not far from the stadium. Grilled chicken is some of the best. Baked beans are awesome. 

Love Rocky's. The Aroma Cafe is excellent as well. Is it still open? Been a few years since we ate there. 

K-West v M-West = a running clock in the 2nd half.

Central v THS = a running clock in the 2nd half.

SC v DC = Don't know much at all about SC, but Crockett's last game was a narrow 14-7 win over a struggling Class AA Richlands, VA program. Richlands is 4-5 on the year, and Crockett was the only loss where they weren't completely smoked. I'll go with SC in this one.

Halls v Boone = Boone is a tough, physical team, but won't be able to hang with Halls over 4 quarters.

Before the season started, I had the Tribe finishing 7-3. After watching the scrimmages, I still had them finishing 7-3...and they finished 7-3.  Everything considered, not a bad year. 

9 hours ago, blazer1set said:

Only 4 pages???      It's the day before the game, people!!        Where is all the chatter?          Is everybody talking on FB now instead of the T?            Or......  is there not much passion about this game anymore?

There's only a handful of D-B fans and maybe a couple of SHHS fans on here. Most of the other posters don't care about the outcome, as neither team is going to make a dent in the playoffs. I'm not sure what you were expecting. 

Toppers 28

Tribe 24

Roll Tribe anyway....

1 hour ago, blazer1set said:

Uh-oh, that means in a worst case scenario DB would draw Bradley Central .... right?

Won't matter. There's a good possibility Region 1 goes 0-4 any way you slice it.

7 hours ago, WaCoJaCo said:

I don't know where you've been but DB is not the Big Brother of Upper East Tn. anymore. Little brothers Greenville and Elizabethton have passed them by and ain't looking back, and DB has only beat Science Hill once in the past 7 years. DB has the third best program in Upper East Tn. right now and West Ridge is peeping over the fence. 

There's nothing wrong with D-B football that a highly organized, tightly monitored youth league program couldn't fix. Our grandson is now a junior at D-B, but when he was in the 7th & 8th grade at RNR, TA Dugger crushed them. Those kids from Duggar were head and shoulders better in blocking and tackling and any fundamental you could name. Our kids from that team (as well as JSMS) have gotten better since then, but they were behind when they got to D-B and have been playing catch up ever since. 

Unless OR has packed it in for the season, this will be a tight one.

Tribe 35

OR 28

7 minutes ago, WaCoJaCo said:

It was M-a-x-P-r-e-p-s. Wouldn't let me post the name without the dashes on CoachT for some reason. 

I use MP some for schedules, but their rosters are really unreliable. I try to use their rosters down here because most schools don't sell game programs, but most of the time, they're inaccurate. I think the school MP sites are maintained by fans and/or coaching staff members, so accuracy can really be spotty. 

23 minutes ago, JustAnotherFootballFan said:

JD...wasn't trying to slight any of the players on the roster or the ones that get an opportunity to contribute.  Just wanted to let the masses know the roster isn't always as big as it appears.  I hope your grandson gets better and back on the field soon.

Understood. Roster size doesn't mean much unless you're running extremely low on players, like some of the smaller Class A schools where many kids play both ways. 

Just now, JustAnotherFootballFan said:

Roughly 85 on the roster sophomores through seniors, but only about 36 contribute.  The rest of the players are window dressing.

 

Absolutely. Anytime you have a roster that big, there's a lot of, as you say, window dressing players who only play in blowouts. Having 35 or so who you aren't afraid to play at any point in any game is really about all you need. That said, if you start getting some injuries, it hurts depth regardless of how many you have filling out the roster. Our grandson is one of the injured right now. 

8 hours ago, WaCoJaCo said:

I think I saw on one web site that had DB's varsity roster at 53.  That's 3A - 4A level. 

Not sure what website you looked at, but the school website says they have 85, which is a huge difference, but I'd say way closer to being correct than 53. I never personally counted them along the sidelines though.

https://athletics.k12k.com/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=573072&type=d&pREC_ID=1068053

53 is still plenty though if you have 35 or so that are capable of playing at any given point in any game. The two biggest schools in our area have enrollments of nearly 3K students, but have football rosters just under 50 players. I don't know if they limit the number of players that make a roster, but there's not a kid on either of those teams that looks like they don't belong on a football field, and both teams are ranked in the top 10 of Class 8A.

SHHS has always had the athletes. We went to a SHHS v Murville game in JC several years ago. We watched the teams in warmups, and I told my wife that if I didn't know anything at all about either of the teams other than what I saw in the warmups, I'd have went with the Toppers to win. As expected, Murville blew it open early and never looked back. Looking for reason(s) why SHHS underachieves for the talent level they have every year, I'd guess that like D-B, they lack highly organized, tightly monitored (by the high school staff) youth leagues that develop kids to have the fundamentals like blocking & tackling, as well as understanding the rules of the game and playing without committing needless penalties.  

14 hours ago, SWVAHavokFan said:

Region game. Tribe are reeling. Can they rebound against the Govs? 

Looking forward to the drive down next Friday. What's the best eateries in the Willy B section of town? 

Did you make it over for Union v Ridgeview? All of our games here last night were washed out by a big line of slow moving severe thunderstorms from the Lake Okeechobee area last night. Hopefully we'll get some Monday night games.

Tribe 31

Bill Blount 14

11 minutes ago, REBELRON said:

Red Beans and Rice with pork, beef or chicken next level.  All their sandwiches are delicious.  Last year I took my conceal and carry class at Gunnys.  During our lunch break I went to Aroma Cafe and ate their Philly Cheese Steak sandwich.  It was one of the best Philly Cheese Steak Sandwiches I've ever eaten. 

We ate at the Aroma Cafe several years ago. The Cuban was excellent. Is Jamaica Sunrise still there too? We've ate there a couple of times as well. 

On 10/7/2021 at 11:21 AM, REBELRON said:

I wasn't that impressed with Dead End.  Full Service Barbeque is much better. 

Agreed. We ate at Dead End once before a game at West. It was just "ok".

4 hours ago, blazer1set said:

Greeneville is averaging 58 points per game, DB held them to 35.     As Einstein said in 1905, "It's all relative..."    (Hmmm, come to think of it, in 1919 Einstein married a relative, his cousin Elsa...    Maybe that is what he meant by the Theory of Relativity...)

Again, it's not "pretty good" when you give up 35. Greeneville averaging 58 has squat to do with it, because they got that average by burying some really bad opponents, except for Central, Elizabethton and D-B. Knox Central and Elizabethton "held" them to 42, but I guarantee you that no one from Central or Elizabethton thinks they did a "pretty good" job.

On 10/4/2021 at 12:59 PM, blazer1set said:

DB held Greeneville to the fewest points they have scored all year, even though they lost that's still pretty good.

No, D-B losing by 28 to Greeneville isn't "pretty good". Maybe if D-B had been playing IMG and lost by 28, or maybe if North Greene played Greeneville and lost by 28, I might say that wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but "pretty good" wouldn't be my description. 

5 minutes ago, blazer1set said:

The AP said they are in the top 10 in 6A

High school football polls are worthless once you get past the top 2-3 schools.