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Some may have forgotten that the TSSAA is simply an organization created and controlled by it's membership - "the schools". If you don't like, or if you do like the current system, contact your school's principal, athletic director, and/or head coaches.

These are the folks that nominate and vote for representation on the TSSAA Board of Control and the TSSAA Legislative Council. These are the folks that can initiate change. It appears that those that are unhappy with the TSSAA may well be in the minority and congregate on CoachT. The TSSAA organization is not some out-of-control 3rd party entity that so many believe.

Ultimately, the control of high school athletics isn't with the figureheads in Hermitage, but rather with the schools. The Hermitage office only enforces what the schools have decided to be enforced. The figureheads in Hermitage receive pay in accordance to what the schools have decided they should be paid. Playoff ticket prices are set by the schools, and are implemented by the figureheads.

Unhappy with the TSSAA? Then go directly to the membership and go in large numbers. This is how you'll get "change".

We have already covered the Boyd game and religion.

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Why does FCS need a change? What have you got against McNeal? He is a good coach and a great mentor. He has made the baseball state tournament 9 out of the last 10 years, and been in the football state championship 2 out of the last 5 years. He tries to make his players better young men when they finish playing for him than when they started playing for them. All of his players know that they can go and talk to him about any problems they are having and he'll try his best to help them out. I'm not exactly sure why you think there needs to be a change.

McNeil is a good coach. But he doesn't teach a single class at FCS? Now, explain to us how many other Wilson County schools, and/or schools in the FCS district or region have head coaches that are not responsible for teaching classes... This within itself offers a huge advantage!

So, I guess while McNeil is a good coach, his competitors are trying to be good coaches AND good educators in the classroom. Not trying to be political, but until public school kids have the ability to pick and choose their schools, and coaches can be hired at a comparable wage to 'coach only', the advantage will always lie with the private schools. Athletically speaking of course.

It's two good teams playing in a pitchers duel. The strike zone was the widest I've ever seen...for both teams. They just got one more run than we did. There is no conspiracy here. Umpires are human and make bad calls. If you think you can do better, become an umpire. But please don't call our games. I don't think you could be objective.

Interesting that you referenced "objectivity". You think that I couldn't be objective because I point out the obvious, yet folks with transparent and obvious "ties" to a school can be "objective".

I think you unwillingly proved my point!

Irony, or proof?

Friendship loses its sectional. There was not a Chapman umpire on the game.

Umm...???

You guys think this is bad?? A few days ago in the district 1A championship (baseball) the tourny was being played at North Greene, and North Greene was playing. To beat all, one of the umpires was a gentleman who had graduated from NG just 5 years ago, and happened to play baseball there as well. Now THAT is a conflict of interest.

This situation is worth noting, but.... The Chapman - Miller situation, considering their tie-in with Friendship, one with a daughter that graduated from the school and a grandson that graduates this year (a FCS baseball player). The other is a guy that 5 years ago was an assistant basketball coach for FCS.

Needless to say, I don't think this was a mistake. It's as if it was planned... But regardless of a mistake or being planned, I blame Chapman. Most umpires just go where they are assigned. Maybe Miller voiced his concerns prior to the game, but ultimately it's the assignor's fault. The assignor should be reprimanded appropriately.

Sticking the proverbial "head in the sand" only means that abuses will continue, and kids will continue to be affected negatively. Do what needs to be done TSSAA. Send a message and make this assignor accountable! There are others in that group of umpires that can do better, much better. But if Chapman had any character, he would hide his head in shame and resign immediately.

Will Neely from Hardin Valley Academy has to be up their despite being a freshman.

This...

This is simply another feather in the Ken Chapman's hat of failures. Privately most of his schools would switch to someone else. Of course, publicly they can't say anything due to retaliation.

Now to make your skin crawl, Chapman's daughter graduated from Friendship, and this year his grandson (a FCS baseball player) graduates from Friendship. Of course, to hear Chapman tell it, this means nothing... :roflolk:

NO they don't have the funds. They are still paying off the loss to BA. That's why we have 8 state FB championships and ridiculous playoff ticket prices.

No funds? Surely, to make that broad of an absolute statement, you must have some type of proof...

This is a very interesting case that could draw plenty of national attention. The crux of the case appears to be the question of whether the TSSAA, as a state actor, should be subject to open records laws. I'm far from a legal pundit -- I have a journalism degree and am currently getting my MBA -- but my uninformed impression is that the TSSAA, as the state's dominant athletic association -- made up of nearly every public high school in Tennessee -- should be accountable to open records laws. Since it presides over a vast majority of the state's public secondary schools and since its activities therefore have great impact upon the state's residents, it should have to answer to the public instead of conducting its proceedings in private.

 

Does anyone smarter than me (most of you) have a better opinion of how this case will play out?

I'm sure the TSSAA's argument will be that participation in the association is voluntary, not mandatory. Therefore it can't be considered as a "state-sponsored" regulatory body. Schools simply don't need the TSSAA to participate in sports. As long as participation in the TSSAA is voluntary and not mandatory, I doubt this suit is going very far.

I laughed at the City Paper's Steve Cavendish's statement: "...Simply, it is the only game in town if you are an athlete or school in Tennessee". Hello Steve, have you ever heard of AAU and countless other leagues and organizations that cater to our young athletes?

Sounds more like a great marketing scheme or publicity stunt for the Nashville City Paper.

Yeah all costs!! We actually give money to all students who play sports at FCS. give em cars, houses, everything. Just to come play for us. well that's if they are good enough. Your accusations and statements truly are ridiculous. You know nothing about our school and I find it funny that you actually think you do.

Remind us as to what subjects your state championship football and basketball coaches teach, and compare them to other coaches either in the same district and region, or in Wilson County...

I don't know, but the rumor is that they are paid solely to coach, while competing schools hire coaches as teachers first, and coaching second (or third). I'm sure you'll enlighten us, and this can be a starting point to determine if there's an advantage.

A fire hydrant could coach the talent that Bowers and Maddox have had over the years...

You noticed that did you? The private school was the better team tonight. They have definitely assembled a very good team, but as we all know very few if any live close to that school in the country so lets not kid ourselves here. Because they hide behind the private school moniker they are allowed to do that by T$$AA so there is nothing illegal about it. Every team was well represented last night in their fan base except for one, you want to guess which one wasn't? Watertown fans showed up because they are just like the teams from 7A. They play kids from their area of the county that grow up there, and their families actually live there and everyone knows everyone else just like it is here in JC, or Clay County, Clarkrange etc... So you have a sense of pride for your community and the young people that grow up there because one day they will be a part of that community, but thats definitely not the case at the private school so thus you have no fan support outside of mom and dad. The private school has a very good team, very good athletes but in my opinion they need to be lumped in with the other privates or made to play at the highest level i.e. AAA in every sport except football then 6A in that. That way its a level playing field but until that happens we can all just root for the school to lose!

While there is much credence to your comments, it should also be duly noticed that several 'public' schools have had a remarkable stroke of luck with student-athletes that have "moved" into a particular school zones and only lived there for a 3 or 4-year period?

Well, maybe it's not that lucky when you consider that there's an associated direct or indirect tie with a local coach and the AAU. But I digress since we're not suppose to recognize something so obvious at the 'public' school level.

I hope that crew is done for the season.

The coach should be done for the season!

Tune in tomorrow as the ticket takers will be blamed for the Warren County coach's snafu. Or maybe it will be the residents at Lake Tansi...

At tonights game officials tell Warren Co. they are sorry because they messed up. One timeout toward the end of the game was given to Warren Co. when it should have been White Co. The Warren Co. thought he had and he did have a timeout but the ref gave to the wrong team on a previous one. Mistakes happen but could not have been at worse time for Warren Co.

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The 3 officials tonight WERE NOT the 3 officials from Saturday...

Looks like the "CYA" antidote is in overdrive!

I was there too, and as they say, "with no dog in the hunt."

The 2.1 seconds was absolutely accurate.

The official had clearly told the WC coach during the White County timeout, with a closed fist, no timeouts remaining. The young lady on WC's bench who was keeping "stats" agreed. The official scorebook agreed! I knew what was coming as soon as I seen the Warren Co. coach requesting a timeout prior to the throwin. By the way, it would have taken a bigger miracle to score from the end line, with the full length of the court to travel, with only 2.1 seconds.

The coach made the first of two horrendous mistakes. First, the request for a timeout which resulted in the technical.

The second was the strategy of 'fronting' the thrower on the succeeding throw-in spot on the sideline at half court. This strategy didn't work as the ball was easily thrown inbounds with no disruption and while advancing toward the goal. The White Co. kid took 2 quick dribbles and lays the ball in the goal - horn sounds. It would have made sound sense to allow the throw in uncontested while keeping an extra defensive player around the basket.

Trying to present this catastrophe of coaching as an officiating mistake is incomprehensible.

Overall, the quality of the game was awful, but entertaining.

Moore County - Miss Coach Holly White yet?

The good ole T$$AA. Money will make everything alright with them. What a joke of an organization.

But if YOU make money - that's okay, isn't it? Interesting...

Or maybe we should say - if YOU live off the taxpayers' money, it's okay...

Sick and tired of people bashing others for making money. Just who is the TSSAA? It's the schools! Good grief...

Rule 2.5.4 clearly states that the "referee shall/may declare the game a forfeit when conditions warrant." Furthermore, rule 2.3 states that "the referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the rules" (aka, a team leaving the court with time remaining).

A little research goes a long way. Too many people either don't know the high school rules or they're simply making them up. Or a little of both...

The "stats" would also simply indicate that players foul more when placed in a highly pressurized stage.

If you're expecting collegiate-type statistics, remind yourself that this is 16 and 17-year olds that are emulating collegiate and professional players. Physically and mentally these kids have yet to develop those tools.

The one common denominator that I took away from the 18 out of 21 games that I watched, was that the era of so-called basketball "discipline" and "fundamentalism" in all classes appears to be fading.

While it's no fun watching free throw shooting, it's worse watching a game filled with "uncalled" hacking, pushing and cheap shots...

As an innocent bystander at this game.....loretto/north Greene, have got to say the refs were pretty bad. Just my opinion. They did not however cause Loretto to lose. Both teams started slow, then 32 for n greene got hot!

I too was an "innocent bystander"... While the quality of officiating wasn't very good, (especially the older balding gentleman), the quality of the game wasn't near what I expected for a state semifinal game. Not to hurt anyone's feelings, but the game was rough and things seemed out of whack for the entire first half - players and officials.

It appeared that the officials may have been surprised by the poor play and didn't respond well in the first half. The second half was much better by officials and teams.

This "innocent bystander" thinks the officials didn't win or lose the game for either team. N. Greene simply played better at key moments in the 2nd half.

Memphis Central just scored 19 more point at the free throw line than S Hill 9 free ones to 29 can you say ONE sided and The Hill still just lost by 7

What other statistics are supposed to be "equalized" by the refs? Maybe turnovers, field goal attempts, number of substitutions, etc.?

When one team attempts more FT's, it tells me that the overwhelming majority of the time, it's due to one team fouling more than the other. There may be exceptions, but they are few and far in between.

One line went to the left of Loretto the other went under the basket and down the right side of the court. Then they met at midcourt. I thought it was illegal, I've seen it called once in all the years I've been attending games.

It's a technical foul for taunting and has been emphasized by the TSSAA for years. A team can not "circle" the opposing team when entering the court, nor can a team dissect thru the opposing team when entering the court. Doesn't matter if it's in November or March.

Not necessarily a significant problem in Tennessee, but the rule was adapted to prevent taunts during the warm-up period that could escalate to something much worse during the game.

Oh ok i got it, you not only announce at the games you also get on coacht and talk trash about a high school kid that played his heart out for his team! YOU ARE A PIECE OF YOU KNOW WHAT! FCS must be so proud of you! You are on a website downing a high school athlete and you work in the school system how nice. Another fine example from friendship "christian" no way school

Coming from you, quite a laughable post!

Not supporting FCS, or any school - just fed up with the vile that comes from you.

Get over it!

May as well cancel the games, as the excuse machine is in place - blame the refs, or we won in spite of the refs. No talk of missed layups, missed free throws, bad coaching decisions, unforced turnovers, poor field goal shooting percentages, etc.

Relax, enjoy the games, have fun, and remember this isn't about life and death.

Oh well, in 2 weeks it will all be forgotten anyway...