refchaser

I'd like to know if a team as young as Summertown Lady Eagles has ever made it to the sub-state before. Congratulations to the Lady Eagles...your fans look forward to next season, on which there will still be NO senior members. GO LADY EAGLES!

QUOTE(soccergal27 @ Mar 6 2007 - 10:27 PM) 826402948[/snapback]Refchaser, I for one, am proud of you! You did what a lot of people felt like doing at the time! And no matter what certain people, who think they know everything, say it was NOT a tasteless. To me, your action showed support beyond belief. I think it is tasteless for people to pass judgement on players as well as their fans. That game was so upsetting to many people, even more so since someone got hurt. Your actions were justified completely. I am glad that there is someone out there who is willing to show emotion and challenge what happens as apposed to people who just make rash and meaningless comments about things. Thanks again for showing that you care about the girls.

Thank you. I am proud of the Summertown Lady Eagles, but not proud of what I did. Thank you for your understanding of my actions. I honestly did not want to hit the refs, I just wanted to spin them around, look them in the eyes and tell them they needed to rectify the situation by calling a foul. Truth is, nothing would rectify the situation because she was already hurt. Thank you again.

QUOTE(sinjin @ Mar 7 2007 - 10:14 AM) 826403320[/snapback]refchser maybe you should practice what you preach. A few months ago when you were under scrutiny you made the comment and I quote--

 

"I was raised in a home, although not perfect, in it we were taught that adults should take the high road." And if I saw you running after me I would run to the locker room, call security, and lock the doors also. Chasing the refs off the court is not taking the high road.

You are right. I was wrong...if I could change my actions, I would do so and if you've read my other posts as throughly as you claim, you'd know that. I was raised to be better than what I did that night. On my behalf I will say this: I reacted out of passion. That does not make it ok, but it was not a calculated, premeditated action. Another point I'd like to make on my behalf is that I did not start this conversation, I just replied to it. So, the post about my doing a dumb thing then writing about it is a moot point. I used this forum to apologize and explain. If I were attempting to "explain it away" I would not have apologized. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. I made a mistake. It is not the first time I have made a mistake and probably won't be the last. Hopefully, it will be the last time I make THAT mistake. Either forgive me or don't; that is up to the individual's heart.

QUOTE(coach_mac @ Feb 27 2007 - 12:18 AM) 826391245[/snapback]I dont believe the girl was fouled her shot blocked yes fouled no. she had to have come down wrong on her ankle or something because after she got up she wouldnt walk on her right leg as they helped her into the locker room. Along with her coming down wrong she was taking the last shot which would have won them the game so she was probably upset also that her season had just ended. It was a sad way to end the game for the Summertown girls much less needing to see that woman rave across the floor like that. Good hard fault game by both teams and good luck to Moore Co. on their road to state.

I was there and have watched the replay several times. She was not only fouled but fouled badly. Blocking a shot does not mean that a player can fall into the shooter's arm and head, then slide under them knocking them off their feet. A completely severed ACL, surgery and months of rehab prove more than just coming down on her feet wrong. You are right even though you meant "fought" that it was a hard FAULT game...lots of faults...on the part of the refs! I know no one is perfect and we should not expect refs to be perfect, but this habit they have gotten into about running off when there are still seconds ticking has got to stop. They don't fail to call fouls (technicals) before a game even begins, so why are they excused on the last few seconds? (Don't answer, it is a rhetorical question).

QUOTE(jamieroper @ Mar 2 2007 - 01:16 PM) 826397045[/snapback]Sounds like you have said all that needs to be said.

 

Sorry for the young lady. Hope she recovers quickly. ST has had the injury bug crawling all over them this year, and last year.

 

I have wanted to come out of the stands a few times too. At Lauderdale County (Alabama), I would have if the refs had reacted to what I said to them. Thank the good lord they didn't.

 

You have said all you can say. Everyone can just move on now. They really have no choice. As far as being a good or bad roll model, I think you have just set the example for all to follow. Everyone will mess up. A good roll model says I am sorry when they mess up. At least that is what Jesus says.

 

Take care and good luck in the future.

 

PS. You have to admit, if you did have kids, and they had a video of you coming out of the stands, it would be like gold to them. My kids would kill for something like that to hold over me. I would never be able to live it down. Right now you are a little embarrassed, a little mad, a little frustrated, and very very concerned about the young lady (for which I thank you very much). 5 years from now you will laugh about your actions and your hubby will make fun of you for it. Take care of yourself and thanks for supporting the girls on your team so well.

 

By the way, it will be $500 for this session!! /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /> Is that not what a PSY. charges?

Just light your pipe, Doc, and put it on my tab! Thank you for a very diplomatic and funny post...you have me giggling! I needed that!

QUOTE(ladyeagle @ Mar 3 2007 - 11:44 AM) 826398236[/snapback]Well, I have to say, you served as a pretty good rold model to me...in fact I can recall having numerous conversations with you about basketball and everything else both while I was on the team and even now since I have graduated. They'll forget what ya did and be bashing the next person again in a few weeks, so no worries! You could have went out there and shook the refs hands and then they would have been talking about how you were brown nosing the refs, people just need something to talk about.

 

-Jaco

Jake, you KNOW how much we love you. Your post means a lot to me! Thank you...and you know our phone lines and home are open to you anytime! Jamie, I am not sure I have met you, but thanks for what you said. You are right; I am embarrassed by what I did and am ashamed. I am 45 years old yet when I see my Mother's number on caller ID, I cringe, because I am worried that someone has told HER! She raised me better than that and I need to act like it. Thank you both for your posts; you have no idea what they mean to me. Hugs!

QUOTE(file13 @ Feb 27 2007 - 01:41 PM) 826391878[/snapback]Sour grapes?

 

It may have been a foul (as I said earlier, I did not see it)....but geeezz...you make it sound like the young lady was mugged.

 

The only thing tastless about the end of the game was the lady from Summetown that ended up on the court frothing at the mouth, ready to attack someone or something... like a rabid animal. I saw that!

 

I certainly hope she (the player) is alright.

 

BTW...the MC fans that remained in the gym gave a resounding applause to the Summetown player as she got up.

Frothing??? Geeze. You saw it, perhaps, but you were not close enough to detect frothing because there was none. I have apologized to every parent and player there for being a bad role model. I apologized to the authroities and to the administration at that school. I have had many people to thank me for caring so much, but what I did was WRONG and I REGRET it. Just because a person has supporters does not make their actions right. I can not hit the "rewind" button and undo what I did. All I can do is try to do better. I believed our player was fouled. I was upset because she was hurt (torn acl) and the refs refused to call anything. I don't have children of my own, so ALL of them feel like my kids. I always clap for the other team when being introduced, I clap for the other team's cheerleaders when they perform a special dance or routine and I cringe when any player is hurt, just like the rest of you. I am not trying to make myself sound good, just trying to let you know that the shameful action you saw on my part was not what I am about entirely. Please remember that no one is as bad as the worst thing they've ever done. "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

QUOTE(file13 @ Feb 26 2007 - 10:38 PM) 826391108[/snapback]My son said that #10 of MC fouled her hard as the shooter ended up on the floor. I didn't see it.

What I did see was this somewhat large lady, a Summertown fan, barreling onto the court just as the buzzer sounded. The refs evacuated the court, passing the cops heading onto the court to intercept this raging bleached-blonde female.

She proceeded to go bullistic on the authorities as the shooter lay on the court. No one was hurt because after a few minutes the player got up.

 

A heck of an ending to an exciting game.

The player WAS HURT---she has a torn ACL!!! She was pushed and undercutted. And this "somewhat large" highlighted blonde lady probably has an IQ that is double yours. I am sure all teams have fans who color their hair and have different body types, so what is your point? If you continued to watch, you would have seen that this "raging" fan also walked on her own (NOT WITH THE HELP OF THE AUTHORITIES) to the player who continued to lie there in PAIN for another half hour. This darling child is looking at surgery and 6 months of rehab. So get your facts straight. I am sorry I reacted as I did. I have made another post saying so too. Like I said, I can not change the past. But neither should I be judged on ONE incident. Good luck to the remaining teams.

QUOTE(larrybird @ Jan 22 2007 - 03:54 PM) 826341358[/snapback]

ma'am, I do not pretend to judge anyone. I just happen to believe that the young lady is in heaven.

We mortals still on this earth havent been judged yet.

And we could all stand some improvement. All of us. So perhaps a little less "defense" and a little more "compassion" for all involved is in order. Me included.

Good day, and good luck.

 

I didn't intend to ever post a message again and after this I won't log back on so don't waste your finger muscles replying...but YES YOU DID JUDGE! I believe Mallory is in heaven too, along with my sister, my father, my in-laws, Daniel Chapman and a host of other loved ones. But THAT is beside the point...I take issue with your saying that things weren't looking good for the coach! That sir, is a judgment! NO, you didn't pretend to judge him...YOU DID judge him. It is in black and white in your original message.

I feel badly about what some people THINK he said. I have been misquoted before and so has anyone in the educational profession. If I thought he was capable of saying some of those things, I would not be in love with him and would not be loyal to him. I know his heart. I know his soul. YOU don't. And don't you dare preach to me about compassion. I am all about compassion!!! Perhaps you did not mean what you typed about him the way it looked...either way, because I am a compassionate person, I wish you well. Good bye all.

QUOTE(larrybird @ Jan 21 2007 - 10:41 PM) 826340592[/snapback]

Mallory is playing on a higher level now. Her former coach is still trying to make the team. Not looking too good for him right now.

Life isnt fair. But final judgment is.

 

Excuse me? You are NOT Jesus! I am telling you the man was misunderstood and misquoted. I don't have to ask anyone...I believe in him! Ballfanwm and I have some things in common...we are both hurt, we both loved Mal (although I realize my love does not come close to that of a grandfather) and we are both finished with this messaging. You, larrybird, take the cake playing judge and Jesus. Since you are so quick to point to judgment, why don't you read up about the cost of judging OTHERS?

Thank you, coacht for allowing me to speak my peace. I am afraid, however, that it has done no good. I appreciate the opportunity regardless.

TT is awesome---so fun to watch and such a sweetheart! Way to go girl!

QUOTE(ballfanwm @ Jan 17 2007 - 02:22 PM) 826335210[/snapback]

I agree. But neither should a coach involve a players family. My grand daughter was told on several occasions that she was nothing but s--t, that she was no good and her family was no good. And I might say to refchaser, you have put up with nothing compared to what this player did. And believe me, if this coach has any kind of conscience, he will remember this and many more things he said an done every time he pillows his head at night.

 

I am pretty sure I know who you are and I think some things you THINK he said were taken out of context. Nothing I can say will make you believe otherwise but I know the man's heart and she was in it and still is. He might have said some players PLAYED like s--- at times but that is not the same as saying a person IS s---. I know he said some of his players' parents who were good athletes had been in bad programs (basketball programs that did not get the best out of them as players) but that is not the same as putting down a family. Sometimes the best kids in the world get ticked off at school and over-simplify what a coach or teacher says. I am not saying they lie; I am saying that they misunderstand or over-simplify. I got an email from a parent a few years ago telling me how her daughter hated disappointing him and that she had a lot of respect for him. I wish I could show it to you. I also wish that you could talk to your grand-daughter 10 years from now. Just as I have changed my mind about some "crabby old teachers" I had, I think you'd hear a different view from her as well. I lost my sister at age 9 and my father less than one year later. I resented a lot of things and people for a long time. I guess it brought me some kind of comfort. If it comforts you to dislike him, then go ahead. But I swear to you he loved her, believed in her and just did what HE thought would work to motivate her. Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want to be loved, does not mean they are not loving you with all they have. May God bless you and yours.

I need to add also that when I began this thread I was concentrating on the negative actions of one or 2---I need to concentrate on the kids and the awesome human beings including parents and other fans, with whom I otherwise interact. I was just hurt because I thought so highly of the individuals prior to the showing of their moment of lesser character. Perhaps they will have or have had a change of heart. Until then, I will concentate on the positive!

QUOTE(refchaser @ Jan 20 2007 - 08:22 AM) 826338841[/snapback]

I wasn't asking for any one's advice on how to conduct myself. I love the players and respect the parents. I am passionate about the game and make no apologies for it. When I love, I love passionatley and when I am hurt, I hurt like every one else! I have no desire to act "thick skinned" or in any other way be pretentious. I am REAL. My purpose for writing was to hopefully make some people realize that their actions are not unnoticed. Some of you are taking this thread into another planet, but that is your right to do so. This is a free country. However, I must ask: Why do you assume the coach with whom I am associated did something WRONG? Just because someone makes a decision or comment that is not popular, does NOT mean it is wrong.

 

QUOTE(coacht @ Jan 17 2007 - 12:05 PM) 826335016[/snapback]

I agree with you 100%. Courtesy should be extended to individuals on their own merit, not that of others. Now, if your husband decides to commit murder, or bank robbery, or run off with the secretary, I suggest you not go to the game that night.

 

I wasn't asking for any one's advice on how to conduct myself. I love the players and respect the parents. I am passionate about the game and make no apologies for it. When I love, I love passionatley and when I am hurt, I hurt like every one else! I have no desire to act "thick skinned" or in any other way be pretentious. I am REAL. My purpose for writing was to hopefully make some people realize that their actions are not unnoticed. Some of you are taking this thread into another planet, but that is your right to do so. This is a free country. However, I must ask: Why do you assume the coach with whom I am associated did something WRONG? Just because someone makes a decision or comment that is not popular, does NOT mean it is wrong.

I think it is disgraceful for coaches to humiliate kids especially at games. I experienced the coach at Dickson County in a game with Waverly when the DC coach publicly verbally abused a player that did something he didn't like or was supposed to do. The humiliation continued for several minutes with the coach in his face. He sat him on the bench and every minute would turn and yell at him some more or look at him, like he shot his dog or something. I was embarrassed for the kid and this was not my home school. I am from Waverly.

This coach's action was classless and I think he should be reprimanded or even fired for his action. There is no room for things like this. Yell if you want, correct if you want, but don't humiliate. These are kids.

What do ya'll think?

My high school basket ball coach kicked me in the left buttocks cheek during practice. It never even occured to me to go home and tell my Mother because it was my choice to play or not to play. I am not taking up for him; just making a point of how soft kids have become. At least what you witnessed was only verbal and was in front of people. You don't say what the coach said, so how do you know it was humiliation rather than challenging? The coach might have been saying "You are smarter than this...I expect better from you!"

You should be nice for the sake of BEING NICE! Being nice to a coach's spouse or family does not make your child play any more minutes or score any more points. By the same token, being ugly to his/her spouse and family does not prove your point to the coach. It only serves to show your true colors and possibly hurt somone who has done nothing to hurt you. We have no more control over his/her decisions than you do. And we truly love all of the players.

I was raised in a home, although not perfect, in it we were taught that adults should take the high road. Some of the adults around whom I am forced to be at ballgames were evidently not taught this character trait. I don't mind admitting I am hurt by the snubbing and cattiness of those about whom I thought better.

Luke 6:27-36

I believe Lincoln Co. is participating in the Shelbyville play day on today. See page 2 of this forum and you will find the schedule under the topic of Shelbyville Play Day Schedule...

Hope that helps

thank you!

Is Lincoln County playing in a scrimmage game today?

I was told that Central should be pretty strong this year but I am wondering who will start and who is on the bench to help out?

 

Does anyone know if Lincoln County plays a scrimmage game today?

CA beats Rice's boys just like they did in his final years at Waynesboro. CA 35 Perry 7

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I 've heard Richland has a strong Jr. High Team. Can anyone tell me about them and who they have played or play.

Any truth to the rumor Pierce at wayne Co .will be joining Rice at Perry co?

I feel that this year is over, and that every player and coach must take this game as a learning experience and start preparing  now for a better and more exciting year next year. As I said before, we are proud of our players and coaches.  It just happens that the players should not have to assume all the responsibility of losing this game.

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No coach for whom I ever played or any with whom I have ever had a relationship solely blames his/her players for losses. Every coach with whom I have associated takes most of the blame on himself/herself. It would be nice if we all had jobs in which a scoreboard was lit up to indicate how well we are performing...some of us might be in the negative numbers!