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Jeff Brothers left PJP last year for NCS and was very successful there.

The poster would be referring to Jeff Rutledge.

Also BA I believe is one of the few teams to play teams out of state. They played a team from Alaska and Trinity led by former Louisville great Brain Brohm.

MBA was the program that played Trinity/Brohm (2003, as well as 2004-2006 without Brohm). With that said, Trinity is currently slated to play both MBA and Brentwood Academy in 2011.

People associated with BGA were very anxious to badmouth Rutherford County public school kids with false stereotypes in the Nashville newspaper's forum - this seems like the perfect time to see if they would like to reconsider their statements.

Maybe the BGA folks will find a place at the end of the long line of the anti-DII braintrust waiting to reconsider the years of stereotypical merd heaped upon the large privates on these boards. Call us when number 300 is in the queue.

you read it wrong...

no questions about him getting the MVP...it was obvious that he deserved it

the questions i articulated were why he did not start on offense all year at wide out or RB...barely played on offense and yet is offensive mvp in all star game??? makes no sense...hurt josh and hurt his team...

 

here are his higlights from his sophomore and junior year...NO WAY there is so much talent on this team that he can't get on the field...

 

 

joshua pleasant

Yes, I did read it wrong, My mistake. The BA coaches probably are the best source for the answer.

In 2009, there were three underclassman backs that has more rushing yards, and two of those three went on to 1,000+ rushing yards seasons this year. There were five players with more receptions, and three returned this year. Maybe the coaches thought he was more of an asset on defense this year. He did have a decent number of tackles, TFL, pass break-ups, and sacks on the defensive side of the ball this year.

2009 BA Stats

2010 BA Stats

I guess I should let PBD answer this, but I don't believe he was questioning the young man that was voted MVP. He was questioning how in the world or better WHY in the world wasn't this talented young man starting.

I read a similar (but worded differently) post on the DII boards, and what you just said seemed to be the line of questioning on those boards. My guess is that it speaks to the underclassman strength of the running game at BA.

I am looking for a little bit of infomation, being that I am an outsider to TN high school ball I live in Ohio, I was curious in what order the classifications go in? Is division 1A the largest school or the smallest in TN? thanks in advance

Division I - 1A (smallest) to 6A (largest)

Division II - 1A (smallest) to 2A (largest)

DI consists of all publics and privates not giving aid to athletes.

DII consists of privates giving financial aid to athletes.

i am a blackman guy...and have no dog in this hunt...but there sure was ALOT of questions and concerns being thrown around after the all-star game about this situation...can someone kindly help us to understand?

What exactly were the "questions and concerns", and who was voicing them? Are people concerned that another player may not get a college scholarship because of someone else getting MVP for his team?

I don't know who chooses the MVPs, but I know seven of the eight coaches from the West were from public schools. I doubt they were the ones voting, but I also doubt that those voting (media presumably) had anything to gain from voting one player over another.

If people were talking ALOT about this vote - a vote that 99% of people will not remember this time next year, if not next month - then those people apparently don't have ALOT of other things going on in their lives!

I agree to a degree if you mean that they are trying to attract the same demographic group of athletes, but cannot give them scholorships. They have lost many fine athletes after elementary and middle school to those schools - more than they have gained.

On the other hand they are unique among those schools in terms of their emphasis on religion in their mission statement. Some parents want that versus what those other schools offer.

The average student on aid at a couple of those schools is still paying out of pocket roughly what full freight is at CPA (public information, including tax returns, is available online to support this). Any implication that the financial aid offered by those schools is impacting CPA is a gross exaggeration. Families attending CPA the upcoming year are paying at least $10.8K-$12.4K out of pocket per student to attend school; these aren't exactly poor families. I know many of these families (I live two miles from the school), including a family that is a prominent family in Nashville in the copier business. Many of these families aren't qualifying for much aid even at DII schools.

The aforementioned DII schools don't exactly have atheism in their school crest either. Their focus may not be religion, but the students in large part come from very pious families. What they aren't getting at school is more than made up for at Episcopal churches on Belle Meade Boulevard, Presbyterian chruches on Franklin Road, et al. - even a Presbyterian church on Old Hickory.

One last point: two of the schools have origins that predate the century before last century. CPA the school is, what, 20 years old? History and tradition are barriers that will always be issues.

Final point as it relates to DI versus DII and athletics: DII exists because some schools choose to give financial aid. Schools don't give financial aid to be in DII. Semantics perhaps, but if athletics is driving a school's decision whether or not to give any/additional financial aid, then that school is putting the cart before the horse.

2. According to your profile you are way too old to have played under Matthews unless it was the playground.

User names without a birthday designated default to January 1, 1970. The vast majority of user names (including yours) have the same birthday.

My intentions were to quote both, my apologize.

No worries; sounds like we're on the same page...and I can't figure out the quote function entirely myself.

I've seen numerous games on both, and beg to differ. Prevost had 15 more tackles in one more game, but no forced/recovered fumbles, while Kay had two for each. Stats do not necessarily show how one plays the game however, and if you have watched them closely, you will clearly see the better high school linebacker. As far as projecting towards college and recruiting, Prevost definitely the edge on that because of his height and speed.

 

But to comment on Shakin's post, what does size have to do with anything? And what is your definition of size? I think Prevost is about 6'0 210, while Kay is more of a stockier build. About 5'10 225 I'd say. So what does size have to do with anything? They are both big boys. In high school you can be 5'5 and still be a great player, and that is the beauty of the sport. Size does not affect anything.

 

But on to Pecos1, I totally agree with your statement that there are 4 or 5 receiver's worth all state recognition. Talent wise, the top 3 are Batey, Garlington, and Hale, in no specific order. But Dingess has made his case with the clutch plays. His BA and Baylor catches will be remembered for a long time. Any 4 of these receivers should be considered.

I assume you quoted the wrong quote, as I don't think you can differ with someone who didn't offer an opinion on or choice of the two LBs in question in the first place.

I agree on the size issue, and that's why I made the height/weight allocation query. What is "size"? Is a taller person who weighs less than a shorter person considered to have a size advantage or disadvantage? The point being, if a voter looked at two players with similar stats and was asked to break the tie on "size", I don't know how in the world the voter would know where to start (particularly with the example at hand, with two equally yet differently "sized" big men).

My opinion Prevost is just as good as Kay if not better. His stats show it and his size. Kay should be replaced by Prevost in the all state standings.

I don't understand this theory. Forget this particular debate/comparison. If two players have the same stats, are you saying all-state should be awarded to the player with "size"? If so, what would be the percentage allocation between height and weight to determine "size"?

I hear Ravenwood has agreed to play BGA next year. Any truth to that rumor?

I haven't heard anything about a game with Ravenwood, but I have heard that Milan may be on BGA's schedule. That seems like somewhat of an odd pairing, but it would feature two programs with long histories.

Didn't realize we were playing those cards RRR. We can play this game all day, back and forth, back and forth.

So, what you and RedRobin are saying is that mud can be slung at one school, and the recipients of that mud are just to sit there and take it? And yet, if a response is made, then all the fault lies with the one who responded in defense?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Nor do one, three, or four.

Again, I have offered to remove my non-school, non-incident specfic response if others are willing to remove their more pointed comments. In fact, I am going to do that right now in good faith. We'll see how much good faith is returned in kind.

It's off topic, but since you mentioned the '70 championship, maybe you can help out with a question. I think that would have been the 2nd year of state playoffs. How did a team qualify? I know that's before the distict set up (that worked so well, especially when it was just the district champion who went inot the play-offs). I know that in '70 in AAA there were only 4 teams in the play-off: MBA, Covington, Tennessee, and whoever Tennesse beat in the semi-finals. No one has been able to explain the format; do you recall how it worked?

Based on looking at some of the newspapers from that era, it may have been driven by some sort of ratings system (Litratings). I have a copy from the Banner of the last week of the 1972 regular season, and it appears the playoff participants largely followed the hierarchy of the Litratings shown in that issue of the paper.

ESPN just gave a quick shout-out on Sportcenter to Columbia and the tragedy preceding the game. It will probably be repeated later in the morning if anyone wants to see it; it was respectfully done. Congratulations and condolences to the folks in Columbia.

Congratulations to the Rebels, and hats off to both schools for the entertainment. An average thirty-five point margin of victory for the other five DI games was a train wreck of epic proportions that I hope the powers-that-be at the TSSAA noticed.

I think its clear we need a BCS for high school football!!! The playoffs clearly arnt working!

Agreed. Better yet - three classes, four at the most. The average margin of victory in the 1A-5A games was 35 points. If those results don't stamp the word "dilution" on the foreheads of the TSSAA, then the blinders are darker than many of us can imagine. Thankfully, Maryville and Smyrna salvaged the suspense value of the playoffs this weekend.

Maybe Maplewood and CAK should set up some joint venture and contract with a trophy company to get a good deal on a silver ball. What will the inscription read - "Good Enough To Be Runners-Up, Even If The Record Books Don't Show It"?

Did CAK play Alcoa tougher than Goodpasture? Yes. Did Maplewood play Greeneville equally close? Sure. But seriously, all of this chutzpah exuding from and/or for the non-title game teams is getting a little stale. Both CAK and Maplewood had great seasons; there is no need to diminish those seasons by taking glory away from those runner-up programs who did what they had to do in the bracket they were given to get to the title game - win.

Actually they both are considered in the east division. Look at it on Coacht.

Of course Signal Mountain and South Pittsburg are in the East - they aren't in the Middle or West!

Okay... to answer you' re questions... there are zero kids on "scholarship" playing football for Webb, there are zero kids in the school on scholarship. i'd say there are about 5 kids on Webb's roster who need financial aid to simply go to the school. Not for football only and all those kids must qualify academically to stay in the school so saying Webb "heavily recruits" and puts players on scholarship is false. You should look up at Div. II AA if you want to see some real "recruiting".

Pot,

The DII-AA schools are subject to the same rules that the DII-A schools are. What is the distinction that makes the DII-AA schools more worthy of being "looked up"?

Looking forward to the answer.

Kettle

I just wasn't as impressed with the D2-AA teams as I usually am last night. Down year?

The last three champs were 13-0; from a W-L perspective, it could be called a down year. There was no Barry Brunetti/MUS player/team like the last two years, but there was a lot of parity at the top. Whether justified or not, how down of a year it is perceived to be will in part be determined by the victor and/or score of this game.

Thank you. I knew there had to be a reason.

I have seen two box scores for the EHS-SHS game. Both show SHS with 3 turnovers and EHS with 1 turnover. EHS scooped up a SHS fumble for a TD, but they also fumbled their 1 turnover away in SHS's end zone. I'd call those turnovers a wash, but wash or not, unless the box score is wrong, it was only a +2 TO margin for EHS. EHS also recovered a pooch kick that SHS never touched - technically not a TO, but it had the same effect.

EHS also had a back run for 200 yards. That may have contributed to the score as well.

A positive TO margin contributed to EHS's win. Better execution and being more opportunistic were the clinchers, however.

Although they are on the eastern half of the state, Baylor is not an East TN team. When people speak of the strength of E TN teams they are speaking of the Greater Knoxville area not Chattanooga area or Tri-Cities area.

And yet, I guarantee some of the pro-East Tennessee crowd will claim South Pittsburg today and Signal Mountain tomorrow when they take down TCS.