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2 hours ago, pioneer42 said:

In reality, they are the Associated Press State Champions. They were number 1 in the final rankings. Most people that reacted didn’t see the AP at first. 

I’m glad that they are going with a different design as there is no such “AP State Champions”. This way the girls will be recognized for something less controversial. By claiming a title that doesn’t exist it would diminish what they accomplished, which is what will be put on any shirt, banner, trophy, display, etc. People are still going to hate on it but at least the way it will done will have facts behind it and not a fictional title. 

Well news from coacht.com travels fast I guess lol. Just a got a call from a very reliable source that the shirt that is on Greenfield’s booster club Facebook page that says AP Class A State Champion is in fact NOT being made. The design sort of jumped the gun and has since been nixed. However another shirt is in the works that I believe will properly and accurately honor the team from Greenfield with what can best be described “undisputed facts”. Those are my words not my sources. This shirt is not the only way that Greenfield will honor these girls so I’m sure we’ll hear more about it in the future but I just wanted to calm everyone down and let you know that Greenfield will not be claiming the state championship. They will only be claiming what the team factually accomplished. 

10 minutes ago, pioneer42 said:

Text me at 731-343-5660. I got one on my phone. I don’t know how to post it on here but I wouldn’t any way. Booster Club is selling them. Says AP State Champs. AP is in little writing. Shirt is legal. They were number 1 in AP poll at end of the year.Why would anyone else go to the trouble of doing that?

Now that I’ve seen it, I guess I would say to each their own. 

1 hour ago, pioneer42 said:

I seen one today the T-Shirts have AP in small writing above the state champion. Have to zoom in to see it. But it is what it is. No law against making up T-Shirts in celebrating the way they want to I guess. Gibson County wouldn’t do that I will assure you. Our coach wouldn’t allow that with four teams left. They can buy all the T-Shirts, rings and banners all they want, but if TSSAA doesn’t honor co-champions or they play this thing out which they are not it won’t get in the record books. And you would think as proud as they are of their season “you would think” they would want it in the programs and record books. And if they don’t want it in the record books they are the only 1 out of 12. 

Ok thank you for that.......

Can a picture of the actual shirt be posted on here by someone? I would love to get “picture proof” that these are out there. Would also like to know if it’s something that the school/team/booster club did or if it’s something that was done outside of anyone actually affiliated with the school. 

19 hours ago, westtn12 said:

The fact Greenfield has shirts made saying State Champions is unreal. I have picture proof of the shirt. I CAN’T wait until next year. Good luck making it out of region. WHAT A CLASSLESS ACT. 4 teams left. None of which would have rolled over and handed the title to them. Go ahead and claim state champs...... record books don’t lie. 

Anyway you can post a picture of the shirt on here?

On 2/7/2020 at 8:45 AM, UCPrepShowcase said:

Isn't that splitting hairs???? There IS NO OTHER school in Pickett Co???

By the way its worded, its not splitting hairs IMO. But I'm sure they have some wonderful reason to not allow it in a situation like Pickett Co. even though it makes perfect sense to allow it.

3 hours ago, tradertwo said:

Same situation at Scotts Hill back before the new school (9-12) was built... played up from 8'th grade until then, but not anymore, even though both are titled "Scotts Hill".

Exactly, 2 different schools now.

I went to Union with Crystal Eason, who if there was a "8th Grader playing up Hall of Fame" would be selected on her first ballot.

20 minutes ago, UCPrepShowcase said:

If you did that, you played illegally. Pickett has 1 K-8 and 1 9-12 in the entire county.... separated by a road and have been told repeatedly that 8th graders cannot play

Pickett would have two different schools then. If you are in K-8 Pickett you are not enrolled at the 9-12 school. The rules says enrolled at the same school, not the same school system as it would be at Pickett. So that is why they have been told repeatedly that 8th graders can not play. Greenfield has been one K-12 school since 1990 even though they were in the two different buildings until the fall of 2004. I graduated in 2003 and we did it for about 10 years prior under the coach I played for. 

On 1/22/2020 at 9:56 PM, tradertwo said:

Not going to go back and check, but I believe that the policy states "same campus"... not necessarily the same building, but the same facility.

Here is what I came up with off the website:

Section 8. An eighth grade student is eligible to participate for a member school if he/she is enrolled at the school. Students below the eighth grade are not eligible to practice or participate for a member school. Any student repeating the eighth grade shall not be eligible for high school participation during the year that the student is repeating the eighth grade. Participation as an eighth grader shall not reduce the number of semesters a student is allowed to participate after enrolling in the ninth grade.

I think Huntingdon proposed something a few years to change it or eliminate it all together and it got shot down. When I was in school at Greenfield we were a K-12 school but K-8 and 9-12 were in two different buildings separated by a street and we played up as 8th graders. 

You don’t have to be in the same building to play 8th graders. You just have to be considered the same school ie K-12, 7-12 etc. 

5 hours ago, old24eagle said:

I think it will eventually happen. I dont like it but its going to happen. So many new coaches coming into the game who want one along with surrounding states doing it will eventually force TSSAA's hand. To begin with it will only be a cost to install new clocks and controls, the next step is going to be paying a 4th official to run the clock similar to football. some small schools who can barely afford to keep the program going will be hurt bad by this. I dont think a lot of people who arent or have never been involved with High School sports factor this in, they just think those shot clocks and money for a 4th official magically appear.

This is one of the biggest reasons I'm against it. I believe too that officials will want more money (they already do as it is) and since this will be something else on court officials have to keep up with, they will have the leverage to get it.

I could write a book on why I don't think there should be a shot clock in high school basketball. We've hit on it all nearly already so I won't beat a dead horse.

I think its's going to eventually happen because change happens. I think that if you do not go along with the NFHS rules and regulations you are not allowed to vote on things that they handle (not 100% sure on that) so if that is the case, the TSSAA wouldn't be wise to not be able to vote on matters that they are going to be required to follow. More and more states are putting it in so its gaining traction and will happen eventually. But I hope it holds off as long as possible.

9 minutes ago, Elitesports4 said:

Her stats were amazing that’s something that could never be taken from her.. let’s say I wasn’t impressed with the handle/laziness at moments that’s all I said.. it’s not a big deal she dominated in every stat

“Not a big deal she dominated in every stat” is borderline oxymoron. She turns it over 5 times in 31 minutes and she doesn’t have a handle. How many times does she touch the ball a game and she only turned it over 5 times? No one is asking you to crown the girl as the best but you are short changing her by a mile. 

17 minutes ago, Elitesports4 said:

The miss basketball winner is playing very sloppy! She hasn’t impressed me at all

If not missing a shot all game (6-6 from the field, 2-2 from 3pt, 10-10 from FT) with 24 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, and 3 steals is sloppy, then give me sloppy all day long!! And against the almighty Clarkrange to boot. Would love to see what impresses you cause it would be a out of this world performance. 

No one played this past year. Hence, it wasn’t on the approved list. No need to ask for approval when no one wants to play. I believe there will be a few in the next couple of years so approval will be sought when those kids get to high school. Until then, they more than likely won’t even ask. 

22 minutes ago, UTRok said:

So I can only have one point? See you could care less what a poll in VA said. Just like I care less what you think about it. 

I wasn’t stating you can’t have more than one point, just that you were shifting from and abandoning your original argument without adding to or justifying it, also known as backing up and punting. 

And for someone who doesn’t care about what I think, you reply to me an awful lot. 

3 hours ago, Kevin38 said:

I don't believe standing holding the ball for minutes on in is really a strategy, just seems as if they are afraid to play because they feel the other team is better and they are avoiding playing, if you don't want a shot clock fine, but find some kind of rule to avoid coaches using this so called strategy, I don't understand why everyone is not pushing for one tbh, wouldn't be as big of an undertaking as some are saying.....

If I stand and hold the ball on my hip and half court and you sit back and let me, how is it that I’m the one who’s scared? Get out and guard. Team A runs a continuity type offense for 2 minutes and can do so without Team B forcing a turnover, who would you say is the better team? Either team A is better or team B isn’t playing defense. The strategy to avoid teams holding the ball on you is play defense better than the can offense. Play smothering defense and use  the 5 second rule. 

I have come up with plenty of reasons why it would be a larger undertaking than most think. We’ve hit on some here in this thread. Who’s going to work it is one that I worry about. Finding someone to do it is a big deal for some schools let alone someone who knows what they are doing. And you don’t want to be the guy who screws it up in a tight game. Officials already want more money for games. This would be something else they have to keep up with so then there’s another cost. If they require an actual official to run the clock, there’s more money. The cost of the initial set up I don’t see as that big of deal that some make it. If the T$$AA says you have to have it to play sanctioned basketball, schools will figure it out.

4 hours ago, UTRok said:

In my opinion, it benefits kids regardless of whether you have post-high school aspirations or not, Primarily because it's going to increase the number of possessions per game for a lot of teams. Which means a lot of opportunities for individual players to make plays, the ball to be in players' hands. You had similar debate when the 3 point shot was added. It seems to have worked out. 

A shot clock would help the flow of he game. I also think if the people are polled you will see that most will want the shot clock in place. For example this is being debated in VA presently. I saw a small poll there of 399 people and 81% favored the shot clock. It's coming just a matter of how long till it's implemented. 

 

California: Boys – 35 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
New York: Boys – 35 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
Washington: Boys – 35 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
Massachusetts: Boys – 30 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
Maryland: Boys – No shot clock. Girls – 30 seconds.
Rhode Island: Boys 35 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
North Dakota: Boys 35 seconds. Girls – 30 seconds.
South Dakota: Boys 35 seconds. Girls – 35 seconds.

So you’ve gone from your argument solely being based on helping the kids who are going to play in college adjust to using a shot clock (no mention of the other 95%) to now well it’ll get everybody more possessions. So I’ll take it you’ve abandoned your original argument. The three point line did nothing to take away from a team that might not have the individual talent and athleticism. If anything it helped them by forcing those teams to come out and guard the line which opened things up for more movement on offense which I consider good basketball. A shot clock gives those teams more of an advantage than they already have because they can sit back and let the clock give them ball back  

A small poll of this thread has it 13 against it, 5 for it, and 1 that’s a push by my count. I’d love to see a formal poll of every high school coach (boys and girls) in the state of Tennessee. I believe the DNJ did one a few years ago of a handful of coaches in the Rutherford County area and it was split. I could careless what 399 “people” in Virginia think or what those 8 other states are doing. No doubt there are fans in that poll that know more basketball than some coaches but the people who it’s going to effect most (coaches and schools) should be the ones who get the say so. 

2 hours ago, UTRok said:

Look you have your opinion and I mine. I think high school needs a shot clock. Appears some folks agree with both of us.

Whenever I present that stat against the argument of getting kids ready, shot clockers always back up and punt without giving a rebuttal with any substance. Wonder why? 

2 hours ago, UTRok said:

Exactly correct just look at the rate of transfer in college. 7-800 transfer out of D1. Speed of the game being one of the major reasons. Shot clock being one of those reasons. Didn't say anything about it effecting recruiting. With the rate of transfers from all levels in college many do not adjuster to the speed of the game or new offense. This is documented year in and out. The closer the game is to the college game the easier it will be to transition to the college game. Sorry those fact escape you Einstein.

So let’s make the roughly 95% of kids who won’t play past high school play with a shot clock so we can get the 5% ready?

This time of year is always the worst when it comes to the shot clock is needed posts. I see it on Twitter from the basketball guys I follow all the time. A video gets posted of a team with the ball on their hip and everyone standing around. Or there is a newspaper article of a game that has a final score of 11-10 and it mentions how the winning team held the ball for minutes at a time. IMO, if you have to depend on a clock to get the ball back from a team, you just might not be better than them.

11 hours ago, warmachine7954 said:

59-2 is struggling?

Team USA from 16-19-year-olds overall record is  W 212-L 16 

U19 W91-L14

U18 W59-L2

U17 W37-L0

U16 W25-L0

How is that struggling?

My sarcasm is lost when done through text I guess. 

https://www.usab.com/mens/u18/history.aspx

USA basketball's U18 team has been struggling against international competition....

Trinity Christian Academy

10 Windy City Rd, Jackson, TN 38305

I believe they did it because the current District 16A has around 18-20 teams. So by splitting them up into two districts that makes everything have to shift. The current district 13A isn't even in the section (substate) for the next round of classification.