Crock1615
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20 hours ago, vandyfan1 said:
Where does it say that. I have read that if it’s a none Region game the team that COULDN'T will Not receive a L but if it’s a Regional game the team that Couldn’t play Will receive a L for seeding purposes.
I might be wrong guys but I could have sworn I read that. My Apologies if I’m wrong.
https://cms-files.tssaa.org/documents/tssaa/2020/August-FAQ-TSSAA.pdf
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Just now, vandyfan1 said:
Wrong it counts as a L for the Warriors
Cancellation of Contests due to COVID 19 Games cancelled due to COVID 19 shall be treated as follows:
Football - TSSAA Regulations require teams to play a district/region schedule for playoff purposes. Regular season standings and the building of postseason brackets are done by TSSAA staff which creates the need for consistency on how cancellations are handled. Therefore, the following procedures are in place when a team is unable to play due to a COVID 19 outbreak or school system mandate.
1. Region Game- The game will go on record as a no contest for the school that is unable to play due to the outbreak or school system mandate. The school that could have played will receive a region win and overall win in the standings if the school can not replace the game with a new opponent on the same week it was originally scheduled to occur. If the school that could have played does replace the game with another opponent on the same week it was originally scheduled to occur, the school receives a Region win in the standings and the outcome of the game will be used in the overall standings.
2. Non Region Game- The game will go on record as a no contest for the school that is unable to play due to the outbreak or school system mandate. The school that could have played will receive a win in the overall standings if the game is not replaced. If the school that could play does replace the game with another opponent, the outcome of the game will be used in the overall standings.
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if i am not mistaken, i think this would count as a "Covid win" for Huntingdon, but not a loss for mcewen in the region standings.
so if both teams were able to play the rest of the region schedule without any cancellations, and both won out then huntingdon would be 6-0 in the region and mcewen would be 5-0. this would make huntingdon the 1 seed and mcewen the 2 seed.
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Just now, Mustang1969 said:
So your saying that an incoming freshman could live in Alabama and be a legal athlete at any school in Tennessee that will take them?
yes if the school will let a freshman enroll, the only residency requirement is that he live at home with his parents/legal guardians.
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Just now, Mustang1969 said:
I believe it would apply to every incoming freshman.
it will only apply to transfer students. incoming freshmen are eligible at any school that will take them.
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10 minutes ago, sportsguy22 said:
The "portal" declared him eligible! That seems like a ridiculous system. Shouldn't an actual TSSAA official review the portal, research the information, and declare him eligible/ineligible?!
yes on transfers an actual person reviews it but the school is notified of the decision through the portal.
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9 minutes ago, 93grad said:
Just added my 2 cents. Sounds to me like the determination of the investigation was settled before October 5th or officials would not have been privy to that information, but why do they know at that time and more games are played before Fayetteville is notified. I would have to look at the schedule and see if Fayetteville were told when those officials were, would there be enough region games from Oct 5th on to still get into playoffs. Your supposition above is black and white, which I wish this whole thing was but I am learning fast that TSSAA is not as clean as your post with investigations and who they choose to enforce which rules.
The cornersville game was the last region game and the last game that was forfeited. This is the game that the official allegedly made the comment. So even if that game was not forfeited then fayetteville's region record would have been 1-4. they would have still not qualified for the playoffs.
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interesting ideas.
a few questions about these ideas.
1 - would your urban and rural groups compete for separate state championships?
2- so the transfer policy would be like florida's is now. free transferring for any reason.
4 - how to you prove recruiting?
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4 minutes ago, Salem said:
Pretty sad when you're relatively certain you've done everything correctly and you're being unfairly targeted and your only two choices are to just take it or fight for your opportunity and risk punitive retribution in the future.
Still no new information has been given on the reason that the acting director changed the actual director's September decision? One of the articles on the subject mentioned he reviewed the FCHS website and noted a section on school bus routes. It should take an evidential bombshell to reverse a prior decision not a piece of information that was readily available on a website that may or may not be correct or up to date.
this is all supposition, but it could have gone something like this:
Fayetteville enters transfer information into the portal that the student had a bona-fide change of address into their territory.
the portal declared him eligible.
Someone reports him for not living in the fayetteville territory.
school is contacted and says his address is in our territory believing that their territory includes all of lincoln county. The tssaa just takes their word that this is their territory. declares student eligible.
someone else (or the same person again) reports to the tssaa that this address is NOT in fayetteville territory per tssaa definition of territory.
new investigation finds that the address is in fact NOT in the fayetteville territory. Student is declared ineligible.
again, this is all supposition, but i can see how it could have played out this way.
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1 hour ago, Salem said:
Alabama has had to deal with a few injunctions in the past.
12 minutes ago, junglefan said:Can of worms:
lets say they WIN the first round of the playoffs and the TSSAA decision is upheld and they are guilty.
what happens in the 2nd round? does the team they defeated in the 1st round move on or does the 2nd round team get a bye to the 3rd round?
in the article posted above from alabama, a team was removed after they won the first playoff game and the team that lost on the field was awarded a win by forfeit and played in the second round (and lost)
I don't know if the tssaa would do the same or not.
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3 minutes ago, CaptainJackRackam said:
So if I’m understanding what the bold section is basically saying, if a current enrolled student athlete participants in a unsanctioned TSSAA sport their eligibility is gone for a period of time determined by the board of control!
Again, I’m questioning what rules the TSSAA decides to enforce and which they don’t! This Fayetteville situation will effect the playoff chances of another team but they choose to ignore a proven violation which cost one team a State Championship. Just something to ponder over..
I guess we are to assume that the BOC decided the time the whitwell player would be ineligible was zero games.
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Just now, Southtowner said:
And if paperwork isn't filled out correctly then someone can be declared eligible then later ineligible after further review.
yes that is correct.
the tssaa assumes what the school reports to them is true. if someone files a complaint they investigate.
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Just now, sum1uno said:
Does transfer have to be cleared by TSSAA before participating in game? Is this a rule?
yes every transfer has to be cleared.
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4 minutes ago, CaptainJackRackam said:
Since this is apparently a very hot topic, how about one of you football gurus that know the TSSAA rules help me out with a question!
Does the TSSAA just pick certain rules and by laws to enforce on certain schools or players?
I mean, what’s the TSSAA rule on a current player attending and playing in a televised type all star or MVP game? This whole Fayetteville ordeal has me wondering...All-Star Games Section 23 (a). No student shall be permitted to participate in an all-star game unless it is sanctioned by the TSSAA and unless he/she has completed high school eligibility in that sport; (b) no individual player is allowed to participate in more than two sanctioned all-star contests during the school year; and (c) any student who fails to comply with the preceding requirements loses athletic eligibility for a period of time to be determined by the Board of Control. This rule reflects the present NCAA rule involving all-star games and is designed to parallel those regulations. If a student-athlete withdraws from school and participates in an All-Star game prior to completing their high school eligibility in that sport, he or she will be ineligible to participate in that sport twelve months past the date of the All-Star game. An all-star game is defined as any contest (where admission is charged either directly or indirectly) in which one or both teams is composed of players selected from two or more regularly constituted teams. This regulation does not apply to summer baseball and girls softball. Any all-star game involving TSSAA athletes must be sanctioned by the TSSAA. A filing fee of $250.00 is required for the game to be considered for sanctioning. If the game is approved then an additional approval fee of $750.00 is required. If the request is denied, then all fees shall be refunded. This fee is required annually for games involving groups not affiliated with the TSSAA. No member school shall permit use of its equipment, facilities, or of its employees, directly or indirectly, in the management, coaching, officiating, supervision, or promotion of player selection of any unsanctioned all-star team or contest during the school year.
The part in bold answers your question.
there is no set penalty. each case is decided by the board of control.
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3 minutes ago, 93grad said:
I would say after a complaint. It is dated the 6th of September which is a game or two into the season. Seems like they would have gotten an answer on his eligibility form prior to September. Wouldn't they?
I would think so.
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16 minutes ago, Southtowner said:
TSSAA has never lost a case of this type that I can recall. Fayetteville would do themselves and everyone else a favor by dropping the restraining order and let us all move on to the 2019 playoffs with the teams the TSSAA has determined has qualified for such.
the most likely outcome of this is that the winner of the Mcewen/Huntland game in round 1 gets a bye into the 3rd round to face Huntingdon.
of course that is assuming there are not a couple of upsets in region 6 this week.
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5 minutes ago, 93grad said:
Get back to the timeline of all of this...September 6th they receive a letter stating the kid is able to play written by the DIRECTOR who is the only person who can make that call from I have read here. Weeks and several games go by during which time another complaint about the same kid has been made while that Director is on a medical leave. I do not believe that Fayetteville was notified about the re-opening of the investigation which, by what I have read here, can only be done by the Director. During this same period, an official told an opposing team basically don't worry about losing because they are going to pull their wins at a later date. I read that here the day after the game. How would an official know that? How long after the second complaint before the ruling came down to pull their wins? Did the loose lip official speak on it between the complaint and the reversal of the directors decision that he could play? If so, then I would say it was planned to wait until the end of the season to pull their games. It would also make me unsure if I was going to get a fair shake at the appeal. Especially if the director is not going to be involved since he is still on leave I suppose. Lots of rumors floating around down here about who got this started. My question is who can make a complaint to the tssaa? Does it have to come from a member school or can anyone? I would assume only member schools. If anyone could they would constantly be investigating something. I just wonder if the second go around was from a member school or an individual and they re-opened because who that individual pulls strings. Surely the guy that is not the director that re-opened this didn't do so off of an individuals complaint. None of this sits right with me!
was there a complaint and and investigation prior to the sept. 6 letter or was that letter a result of the online transfer student eligibility form that the school is required to submit for all transfers?
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I have one question that is a little off topic from the court discussion but still related:
I have not seen fayetteville play this season or last season.
last season fayetteville was 1-9 with several lopsided loses. This year they are 9-0. Did the kid in question make that big of a difference? or were they going to be good this year anyway?
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3 minutes ago, PullinGuard said:
Still left with the following problem.
Does this all mean that any/all transfer to Tullahoma, or any school without buses are automatically ineligible? No territory whatsoever due to buses?
Does it also mean that Fayetteville proper is outside the territory of LCHS? For 30 years, there was no other school whatsoever to attend. Are you saying that it's sensible that all transfers who moved to Fayetteville from 1979 until FHS opened should have been ineligible? No buses pick up for LCHS inside Fayetteville.
The two examples above have never, ever been treated the way this case has been. Why?
tullahoma territory is the city limits.
when fayetteville city schools added the high school grades it "claimed" that territory from the county.
prior to 2010 did high school students who lived in fayetteville ride buses to lchs?
I don't know for a fact how lchs did it, but the way that most system would handle this is all students in the city would be bused to one location from their various bus routes (presumable the middle school) and then they would all be bussed to the high school at the same time.
on a side note:
Here in west tennessee, almost every city in gibson county has its own school district and then there is a gibson county district. There are 5 separate districts in the county each with its own territory.
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so that provision is referring to "magnet schools"
by this definition, fayetteville is not a system-wide school. it is a city school whose geographic zone is the city limits of fayetteville based on its bus routes.
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Just now, PullinGuard said:
So, if a kid moves into Tullahoma instead, he simply can't play, correct?
And how do you argue they aren't 'system-wide' schools, when the school board says they are?
is tullahoma a city school district similar to fayetteville? i am from west tennessee, so i am not familiar with all the geography over there. but if so, the transfer would be eligible if he moved into the city limits of tullahoma.
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15 minutes ago, Salem said:
The original article stating the latest ruling claimed the new info was gleaned from the FHS website.
Transportation is provided to all K-12 students living inside city limits.
Please contact your student's school about how to have your student ride the bus.
https://www.fcsboe.org/domain/42
Marshall County has a similar policy with its 3 schools. It is (or was) open zoned. A student can attend any of the three high schools and play if they live in the county; however, bus transportation is not provided. We've had several athletes that lived in CHS or MCHS areas and vice versa that played sports at Forrest while living outside the area served by our buses.
Based on the Fayetteville HS decision explanation if an athlete from Alabama or North Dakota moves into rural Marshall County he must sit out a year if he wants to attend one of the three schools that do not run buses by his/her house.
yes to be eligible immediately they must enroll in the school that runs buses by their house, unless they are entering the 9th grade, then they could go to any school in the county.
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https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/schoolmap/
this is the census bureau map of all school districts in the us.
if you zoom in to lincoln county tennessee and then click the "Zoom to" link on fayetteville city schools, it highlights the city limits of fayetteville, if you click the "zoom to" link for lincoln county schools, it highlights all of lincoln county except the fayetteville city limits.
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Just now, PullinGuard said:
It's not logical. The TSSAA says the geographic boundaries are whatever the Fayetteville School Board says they are. The Fayetteville School Board says it's all of Lincoln County.
but if it was really their territory, they would run buses there. this situation is why the bus route rule is there. a system could just say "our territory is the entire united states if you can provide your own transportation, but we will run buses in the city limits."
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Will any of these schools play football?
in Class 1A & Class 2A
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Bluff City had a team last year. It was their 1st or 2nd year fielding a team. Of course, this year nobody in Memphis is playing so I don't know what they will be doing going forward.