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You can argue that with the referee. All i said was the same thing happened to both teams so both those goal is a moot point. Both teams were tied after 2 over times plus the two 5 minute golden goal periods. The game was a tie DL went on because of Pks.

Any reason why CAK shouldn't struggle much? Are they that much more superior? How did they look in their game?

Yes, that much better.

That goal didn't cross the line...and GC also had a similar situation in which the referee didn't give us the goal.

The film doesn't lie. Ball was completely in the net before rebounding downward.

I think you would have a case if you had said Districts 4, 8, 9, 10, or 15. All have between 4 to 6 teams that are competitive at the higher range of the sport. That being said Districts 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 have by far the top and consistently the best teams in the state. Of course if you look at state championships CAK skews the numbers for everyone but outside of CAK even the other state champions and many of the runner-ups are also from East Tennessee. So my response to you would be yes district 9 may be one of the deepest with CPA, Hume Fogg, MLK, David Lipscomb, and Goodpasture but their neighboring district 10 may be just as deep with Cheatham Co, White House (still in the hunt for a state title this year), Clarksville Academy, White House Heritage, Greenbriar, and the up and coming Merrol Hyde (new coach Jim Carr is doing wonders with the team).

White House definitely, but the others.....perhaps a 9 vs 10 series during the season is in order?

Just curious as to what happened in the two games, especially the Kingsbury game. Any predictions for the final. How do both of the teams look?

 

Both teams made a mistake in the first half that cost each a goal, second half DL struggled defensively.

Playing without their center back since half-way thru the ND game.

 

Kingsbury is very tenacious with an excellent first touch. DL struggled with lack of depth.

 

DL's forward hit an amazing near post goal to give them the lead 2-1 early in second half, however Kingsbury answered.

 

DL pressed with numbers, but couldn't find the net on several chances.

 

CAK shouldn't struggle much.

The District has four to six teams that can compete for the top two spots. Goodpasture and Stratford both appeared to have down years, however CPA, Hume-fogg, MLK, and Lipscomb were all capable of getting thru to post

season based on head to head results.

Is District 9 A/AA the deepest relative to team strength?

David Lipscomb 3

Notre Dame 1

 

 

Dang!

 

D

Great group of kids, big kids at that.

Hey CHUMPDDS....dreams do come true.....Dadx5 nailed that one.

 

When opportunity meets preparation.......

DAVID LIPSCOMB 3

NOTRE DAME 1

 

oh well...

 

D

A good first half for the Irish, mis-judged ball found the goal. Second half not so good, 2 corners and a through ball nailed it shut for the Mustang Nation.

Lipscomb (since they were the only team to beat my CATS)

Greeneville

White House (because they are Blue Devils)

CAK

 

Lipscomb vs CAK

CAK state champs

I almost like this prediction.

Why does it always degrade to this argument... I mean does the whining really help you feel better about losing? The rules have not changed and probably will not change much at the reclassification either. This is the road you have to take if you want to bring home hardware. Whether you believe it is fair has no bearing. Life is not fair.

 

The single most important factor is proximity to good club soccer. Period. Draw 20 minute circle around BWSC, TNFC, TUSC, MSC, ERSA, Lobos, and FC Alliance, then name how many schools outside those circles have won, or even been competitive at state regardless of classification. If you name some, odds are they have kids traveling to those clubs to play.

 

I am a supporter of a rural public school who's teams have been knocked out of the tournament at one level or another by privates for as long as I have had a rooting interest. If there is anyone who can complain, we have earned the right... However, we schedule top competition, train year round and play select, to get better. Guess what... We are! And when we break through, it will be that much sweeter!!!! It may happen next week, or this November, or neither, or both....but our day is coming! And when it does, we will have EARNED it!!!

 

BDP....

Well said and very true.

DL def Giles even after having a goal taken away. Amazing place to play.

The fact is G its an uneven playing field and you know it, and just cannot admit it still and probably never will. The public schools cannot play 8th graders. Like Ben Holt who you used to beat that same Alcoa team you spoke of as an 8th grader. The private schools recruit just by being private. There are no lines as to how far kids can travel to go to your school. Publics are not afforded that opportunity. Nor do the publics in small schools have the money the privates do to upgrade facilities which aides in recruiting. Privates win 3 state championships a year in soccer as history shows us. Publics win 1. Argue that G!!! One day the Privates will join up with the big dogs like Knox Catholic did and prove they are one of the best, or at least go Div II with schools that are afforded your same opportunities. But beating up on the small schools in the state and blaming it on them not having club is getting old!!!

 

So is this argument. Proximity to clubs is the common denominator to strength....public and private.

Brentwood Soccer Club, TNFC, Harpeth, Music City, Cobras,TN United, etc.

 

FEED

 

Ravenwood, Franklin, Brentwood, Centennial, Independence

BGA, Brentwood Academy, Christ Pres., Page, Father Ryan, Ensworth, JP2,

Hendersonville, FRA, DCA

Is there any comparison to amount of practice for either side also ? I am sure that every team that has made the state level has a vigorous time commitment, starting at the earliest allowable time during the summer..Can the teams that possibly continue top whine this arguement say they have put in enough time to actually be competitive ?

 

D

Indeed.

Currently in the A-AA joint classification, there are 187 public schools (their enrollment is limited to students living in each school's particular zone). There are 38 schools that are able to draw from an unlimited talent pool academically and athletically (33 private schools and 5 magnet schools).

 

No one is surprised that the private and magnet schools dominate A-AA girls soccer among many other sports (essentially 17% of the A-AA schools have a stranglehold on the sport and the 83% that are pure zoned schools typically don't have a prayer).

 

 

 

However, in recent years, University School of Jackson, Franklin Road Academy, and Donelson Christian Academy finally had the guts to brave Division II. Has this finally opened up the A-AA state tournament for public schools to have a shot? Notre Dame had the nerve to back out of Division II and return to A-AA. Christian Academy of Knoxville, Chattanooga Christian, and Christ Presbyterian will always desire to bully around the A-AA schools rather than stepping up to the big leagues. But looking at the state brackets, an unprecedented number of zoned public schools actually qualified. Any thoughts?

 

Until last season, does anyone find it incredible that not one of these 187 public schools has ever won a single game at the A-AA soccer state tournament? Last season, Greeneville and Page squared off in the quarterfinals, both public schcols, so something had to give. Greeneville became the first non-magnet public school to ever win a game in the state tourney in A-AA.

 

This season, Greeneville, McNairy Central, McMinn Central, Dyersburg, and Page all qualified for the tournament. I never thought I'd live to see 5 of the 8 spots at state represented by public schools. But was this just a fluke or is it the new trend?

 

McNairy Central and McMinn Central failed to score and Dyersburg had one goal late in a 6-1 loss to Page. Those three publics were clearly outmatched. So Page and Greeneville advanced to face private schools Notre Dame and CAK respectively (Page joining Greeneville as the second public school to win at the state tournament).

 

But the wins by Page and Greeneville came against other public schools so a public school has still never beaten a private school at state. Could it happen tonight? Could #2 Greeneville knock off #4 CAK? Could #5 Page upset #3 Notre Dame?

Perhaps it is different in Chattanooga and East TN than Middle TN where the strength of a team (public or private) is primarily due to the "proximity" of local soccer clubs.

 

Power Factors

1st - local soccer clubs

2nd (close to first) - kids in clubs will often gravitate to local privates - takes $$ to be on a club team and to attend a private school.

3rd - parental recruiting (happens more in public schools given the advantages of Magnet Schools and IB programs, and or open zoning)and happens in the privates as well.

4th - private schools typically hire coaches with experience in the sport versus just assigning someone to help boost their pay level.

 

Until private citizens are no longer paying taxes to support public schools, you cannot argue against a private school competing in Division I.

NOTRE DAME WINS 2-1 golden goal !

An unfortunate draw for a first game for both teams. ND should breeze into the finals.

Page is not that strong.

End of regulation 1-1

Thanks! How did ND score?

AT HALF:

 

Notre Dame 0

CPA 0

Any update?

Sorry, yes. Final

 

CAK wins 3-0

Thanks Big G, any update on Page and Dyersburg?

3-0 CAK (don't know how much time is left in the second half)

Is there a final score?

Funny how everybody knew who I was talking about. Obviously yall have experienced it as well. Wonder how UNC will like getting a yellow and a red within about a ten second time frame as the case Saturday? Hard to be a star from the bench.

 

Good, but over-rated. Amazing how HS kids change every year.

CPA's problem is that they have not played anyone since Oct 12 and have not beaten anyone since Sep 22. The game should help with the easy schedule versus hard schedule discussion.

 

CPA's defense is best in the state, scoring comes from every player.....if they finish and they do when they

need to.

Scoot over, Don. I need a seat on the short yellow bus.

 

My Picks:

Greeneville

CAK

Page

ND

 

Semi-finals:

Greeneville

ND

 

Final:

ND

 

Total number of goals for the tournament: 27

 

Greeneville

CPA

 

Final

Greeneville

Perhaps it's district or region can't be in the same bracket? Catholic (2 times) and Alcoa (1 time) both were in opposite brackets with us and we only met in the finals.

 

Either way, should be a great tournament!

 

It's the same Region...they go north and south in the brackets.

 

CPA hasn't put it third gear yet. ND will not score.