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QUOTE(file13 @ Feb 27 2007 - 01:41 PM) 826391878[/snapback]Sour grapes?

 

It may have been a foul (as I said earlier, I did not see it)....but geeezz...you make it sound like the young lady was mugged.

 

The only thing tastless about the end of the game was the lady from Summetown that ended up on the court frothing at the mouth, ready to attack someone or something... like a rabid animal. I saw that!

 

I certainly hope she (the player) is alright.

 

BTW...the MC fans that remained in the gym gave a resounding applause to the Summetown player as she got up.

 

I was not having reference to any foul. I was having reference to what happened after the game. I was not at the game,but I knew who was involved in the incidence as soon as I heard that there was one. It has happened before. I wonder what would have happened if this had been a student? If this post was mistaken by any of the MC players or fans, I apologize.

QUOTE(jamieroper @ Feb 27 2007 - 08:28 AM) 826391458[/snapback]GREAT JOB MOORE COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Congrats to Summertown on a great season.

 

Talk about no calls, our (Richland) point guard has taken more hard fouls with no call than anyone I have ever seen play.

 

Even if the ST girl was fouled with no call, no one play decides a game.

 

SUMMERTOWN CAN BE VERY PROUD OF THEIR SEASON AND SUCCESS, JUST AS RICHLAND CAN. /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />

 

Yes, congratulations to the lady eagles. Too bad it ended in such a tasteless manner. For all the players who wore the armband s in memory of MAL, I would like to say THANKS for your love and respect. To T and Kayla, I hope the recovery from your injuries are quick and complete.

QUOTE(refchaser @ Jan 20 2007 - 11:33 PM) 826339596[/snapback]

I am pretty sure I know who you are and I think some things you THINK he said were taken out of context. Nothing I can say will make you believe otherwise but I know the man's heart and she was in it and still is. He might have said some players PLAYED like s--- at times but that is not the same as saying a person IS s---. I know he said some of his players' parents who were good athletes had been in bad programs (basketball programs that did not get the best out of them as players) but that is not the same as putting down a family. Sometimes the best kids in the world get ticked off at school and over-simplify what a coach or teacher says. I am not saying they lie; I am saying that they misunderstand or over-simplify. I got an email from a parent a few years ago telling me how her daughter hated disappointing him and that she had a lot of respect for him. I wish I could show it to you. I also wish that you could talk to your grand-daughter 10 years from now. Just as I have changed my mind about some "crabby old teachers" I had, I think you'd hear a different view from her as well. I lost my sister at age 9 and my father less than one year later. I resented a lot of things and people for a long time. I guess it brought me some kind of comfort. If it comforts you to dislike him, then go ahead. But I swear to you he loved her, believed in her and just did what HE thought would work to motivate her. Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want to be loved, does not mean they are not loving you with all they have. May God bless you and yours.

 

Oh! how I wish I could talk to her 10 years from now....The coach knows he did not treat her fairly. How many of the other players did he humilate by demanding the point guard tell him in front of the whole team whom she had rather play with? My granddaughter or another named player. How many others did he tell they were losers and their parents were losers, and their whole family were losers. How many others did he tell in front of the whole team that they were the only senior he ever had that was the 13th player on the team and sat her on the bench almost all of a game without telling her why except that she was not a ballplayer and would never be. This was the straw that broke her will to play. Then after her death, her name has ever been trashed in practice. Now can you see why there is bitterness in this family ? She respected him until her final year. I do not care if he was only trying to make her a better player, there are better ways of doing it. This is my final post and I think its time to drop it as it only serves to hurt this family. Can he say she ever treated him with anything but respect. Can he say that her family ever interfeared with the way he treated her? No, but that is one regret that we have. And yes, he did tell her she was nothing but s--t and she and her whole family were sorry.

QUOTE(kbc00 @ Jan 14 2007 - 08:47 PM) 826332020[/snapback]

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A COACH NEVER INVOLVE THEIR FAMILY. GO TO THE COACH. THE FAMILY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DECISIONS HE OR SHE MAKES.

 

 

I agree. But neither should a coach involve a players family. My grand daughter was told on several occasions that she was nothing but s--t, that she was no good and her family was no good. And I might say to refchaser, you have put up with nothing compared to what this player did. And believe me, if this coach has any kind of conscience, he will remember this and many more things he said an done every time he pillows his head at night.

QUOTE(ladyeagle @ Jan 15 2007 - 10:14 AM) 826332390[/snapback]

Come on guys...players quit all the time. I know Emmy and Coach Willard very well and because Emmy is a high caliber player it is automatically the coaches fault. I played for this guy for my high school career...and he is an old school coach. He believes in yelling and all that stuff that is frowned upon today. The bottom line is, Emmy's decision to quit does not automatically mean that the guy is a terrible coach, bad person, or poor mentor. I mean look at some of your post last year, some of you that are commenting on the subject this time around, were hailing him as coach of the year this time last year.

 

 

With the talent he has had since he took over, any coach in the area could have done just as well, --some better.

Was the child or parent humilated in this situation? If the coach is out of his or her control with the players then go to the Athelitic Director or Principal with the situation. I've been on both ends..Player and Coach. Sometimes attitudes with the players will push you to the end of your rope. A good coach will maintain control even if he has to step on a few parents toes along the way. If he is verbally abusing the players then higher authorities will step in. As far as humiliating goes though Pat Summit probably humiliates some of her players in someones eyes but that don't mean she isn't a great coach of the game...

Pat Summit is a College Coach, the players are getting paid in the form of scholarships. The players are older and more mature. Disipline, yes, but humiliation and embrassament in front of team mates and fans just shows the ingorance of the coach.

Yes, sports are going to get very emotional and loud, and I understand yelling and correction, but being a player, I think that a little encouragement goes a long way.. There's a difference when my coach yells at me and tells me what I'm doing wrong and when he screams that I'm stupid and not a ballplayer and I'll never amount to any kind of player on his team in front of everyone.. Criticism is understandable and expected, but there's a difference between helping someone learn and killing any self esteem that they may have..

Very good quote. As I have said before, if a coach cannot coach without humiliation, embarrassment, and inducing fear of retaliation, he or she needs to find another profession.

Careful there Roper - it is obvious that neither you or your source know anything about the situation or the player - you cannot throw out such an accusation to indicate this player is trouble - then discount it with a simple "who knows" -

 

This player has been dedicated the team and there have been no problems with any teammates. The only problem is with the coaching staff - anyone that has been near this program in the past 5 years can tell you that.

 

I suggest you edit your post - then I will edit mine.

The Eagle definitely knows. I cannot see how any player can put up with 4 years of pure h----. Franks did the right thing. Good luck to the Lady Eagles, I too, know what you have to go through.

There's another one!

No, I am not another one. I am the grandfather of a player who was mistreated, humiliated, verbally and mentally abused most all her senior year. She was killed in a car wreck 5 months after graduation, and even now at pratice her name is still being downed by the coach. There is one thing he could not do--he could not make her quit. All this because she would not stink up to him.

I agree with you....coaches should not act that way, but they do. It has been my experience that there is nothing that you can do. If you react, you are the one with the problem and your dd suffers more. It's a frustrating situation.

You are right, No player should have to put with the humiliation, the embarrassment, and the demoralization that some players have to put with. You usually have 2 types of parents---l type will stink up to the coach and will put up with anything in order for their little one to play. The other type does not want to rock the boat because of fear that the coach will retaliate against their child. Until enough parents have the guts to stop this abuse it will continue. These kids are not getting paid. These coaches who use humiliation, embarrassment and fear of retaliation, need to find another profession. We are talking about high school, not college. Hard work and disipline is fine. I keep thinking about coaches like Ralph Benson, W.C Johnson, Willie Hudson and Coach Sisco who coached at Centerville years ago. Great Coaches who were firm and strict but never resorted to the tactics noted above. The coaches that use these tactics need to realize they are not there to build a "win loss" record for themselves but to build character, morals and better human beings. Maybe if they were left setting on the bench alone one night, they would realize that they too are human beings.

This school, the parents, and the Lady Rockets have to be a very special group of people. For a team and school outside of Lawrence County, and outside of district l2A to be so thoughtful and sympathetic of the death of Mallory, cannot go without our thanks. For the flowers, money, and visits plus the "just got word of" the donation to the Mallory Scott Memorial Scholarship Fund-----Thank You, you are indeed Champions. From the family of Mallory Scott

I have never heard of a team that only plays 5 or 6 beat a Phil Willard team. Most years he is 9 or 10 deep and forces an up-tempo style that is difficult to play with for four quarters. Especially with no bench. I have heard Collinwood's conditioning in the off season was ridiculously tough. I guess we will find out Friday night.

 

Summertown- 67

Collinwood- 58

Yoy saw it. You cannot play 9 or 10 players against a well conditioned team like Collinwood, or the teams like Summertown played in the State tournament the past 3 years and not get the same production out of all the players that is expected out of the best 6 or 7 players. Last night only 4 players scored for Summertown. Collinwood scored about 70% of their points by breaking Summertowns press, so who ran who down?

I'm not going to get mad because I'm not a zion fan, I just happened to go to that game last night. I don't make excuses. The only reason I put that comment before yours is because I was AT the game and I felt bad for how one-sided the refs were and it took the fun out of the ballgame. In my opinion it would have been a different ballgame if the refs would of called even.

THE REASON ZION LOST THE GAME IS BECAUSE THEY WERE OUT HUSTLED, OUT PLAYED AND OUT COACHED. I TOO, WAS AT THE GAME. AND TO SAY THAT ANY SUMMERTOWN TEAM HAS HAD THE GAME CALLED THEIR WAY IS ABSURB.

Here-Here I totaly agree. Great post on an apparent great person. I say apparent only because I did't know her personaly.

This post may be confusing. It was meant to be about the great impact that Coach Wyrick had on the life of Mallory Scott.

I know this is a Basketball Thread, however, the original post about the death of Mallory Scott began here, i feel it is appropriate for this post.----Mallory was a very special person and a very special granddaughter. She had an unforgetable influence on many people. One of her favorite people had a great influence on her short life, that being Coach Bobby Wyrick. Coach Wyrick is more than just a coach. He is a friend and role model to his players. He earns their respect by first respecting them. He never demands an articicial respect. He builds character and morals by example. Never have I heard any foul language, and it is the same on the field and in the dugout. He motivates by instilling the desire to win, building confidence, and encouragement, not by humiliation, threatas, verbal abuse and fear. When Mallory was not at the top of her game ,he would instruct, encourage and build her confidence and self esteem--never downing, demoralizing, or humiliating her in front of the team. He was a friend who Mal could go to for advice or just talk when she needed to. He takes interest in his players other activities. He would ofter call Mal after a basketball game and as her how she and the team did.---Mal loved the games of softball and basketball--THANK YOU Coach Wyrick for letting her enjoy the game of softball. ---As I stated at the beginning, Mal was a very special person--THANK YOU, Coach Wyrick for your part in making her that type of person.----------------Before her tragic death Mallory wrote three short "thank you" notes that were never mailed. One to Coach Wyrick, one to Coach Peters, and one to the parents of Calvin. The one to Coach Wyrick says it all: Dear Coach Wyrick, Where do I begin? First of all, Thanks for the money for graduation. Thank you for sticking with me the past 4 years. I could never have asked for a better coach or a better person. We really went through so much together--the good wins and the bad ones. Without you I would not be where I am today. You taught me so much more than just softball. I miss you so much and I love you. MAL

I know this is a Basketball thread, however, the original thread about the death of Mallory Scott began here, I belive it is appropriate to use it for what I have to say. Mallory was a very special person. She had a great influence on many people. One person that had a greaat influence on her short life was Coach Bobby Wyrick. Coach Wyrick is more than a coach, but is a role model and friend to his players. He earns the respect of his players by first respecting them. He never demands an artificial respect by instilling a fear or retaliation. He builds character and morals by example. Never have I heard any foul language , and its the same in the dugout as it is on the field. Coach Wyrick motivates by instilling the desire to win and do you best and giving ll0%, not by humiliation, threats, verbal and mental abuse. When Mal was not at the top of her game, he would build h;er confidence and self esteem by instruction, encouragement, and praise--never downing her by telling her how sorry she was, and demoralizing or humiliating her in front of the team. His players feel free to go to him anytime and ask his advice or just talk when they need someone. He always encouraged Mallory in her basketball endeavors, by calling her after the games he could not attend, to see how she did. Mal loved softball and basketball---Thank you Coach Wyrick for allowing her to enjoy playing the game of softball. After all, why work and put in the time if you can not enjoy it? As I said before, Mallory was a very special person. Thank you Coach Wyrick for your part in making her the person that she was. Before the tragic death of Mallory, she wrote three short "thank you;" notes thaat were never mailed. One to Coach Wrick, one to Coach Peters, and one the the parents of Calvin. Although it is short, the one to Coach Wyrick says it all. Dear Coach Wyrick: Where do I begin? First of all, Thank you for sticking with me the past 4 years. I could never have asked for a better coach or a better person. We have reallly been through so much together--the good wins and the bad ones. Without you I would not be wheare I am today. You taught me so much more than just softball. I miss you so much and I love you. MAL

Nothing like a watered down state championship to make everyone feel good! Maybe next year, we can give all the kids that participate at any level a state championship ring.

Your recruited team must not have made it to the state.

I thought Bobby Wyrick was the assistant coach. The head coach is Curtis Peters.

You CA people know who the coach is and has been for 27 years.

Congratulations to the Lady Eagles of Summertown on securing a berth in the Sub State with a 1-0 victory over a good Cornersville team, which was Coach Bobby Wyrick's 500th win. Quite an accomplishment. Coach Wyrick coaches by inspiration and motivation, and is respected and loved by his players.

Does anyone have the scores for Friday from District 11a?

Wayne county got put out and right now its

Summertown

Collinwood

Perry County but collinwood almost beat summertown last night and summer town has as many seniors playing as collinwood has freshmen

Collinwood didn't almost beat anyone---a 5 run margin in softball is a pretty good beating. I will admit Summertown almost beat themselve in the first and thrid innings with errors that are not tipical of this team. As I remember, none of Collinwood's runs were earned.

Another of your comments also seems to be in error saying that Summertown looked weak. They won 26 games this year while playing some of the best teams in both Tennessee and Alabama. Check out their schedule. They went 4-2 against six AAA teams in the Border Battle and outscored the other teams in their district 138 to 5. They are ready to make a run for the title.

Congratulations to the Lady Eagles on winning the District 12a seasonal championship--going undefeated in district play.

What is everyone's predictions for the game?

Summertown can win this game if: l. They play team ball. Wed.'s game was the ;most selfesh game I have seen Summertown play in yeaars. 2.They pass the ball instead of dribbling, dribbling and dribbling until they are trapped. Jackson Co,'s defense will certainly put the pressure on. 3. They play only 6 or 7 players unless they are hamper by fouls or injury. I believe turnovers will be the key to this game. I believe Summertown can play offensive inside or outside with JC if they will only play it smart.

Its interesting that you should say that as JC beat Summertown last year by 24 or 25 points and returned all but one starter? Tell me again why they will beat them? Was the #1 ranked team in AAA (Cummberland Co.) to fast for Jackson County as well? What happened in that game?

In case you don't know it : this is 2006

You can influence an official. If you rub an official the wrong way, they won't hesitate to make quick calls against you in any sport. They do have an impact on the game as well.

 

I honestly believe that most people would not have such a problem with the officiating if the calls were consistent. I know several people have posted they have been to games where one team had 10 fouls and the other had 2. The calls need to be consistent in every game.

True, how can players adjust if the officials are not consisant? District 12A had to put up with horrible officiating all year. I would like to commend the officials in the Sub State game at Summertown. The crew was far better than any I have seen all year. I had thought that there were not any good ones out there,but these men did a great job.