ref83

Clay Co won coin flip

#1 Clarkrange , #2 Clay Co , #3 Pickett Co, #4 RedBoiling, #5 Jackson Co, # 6 Gordonsville , #7 Monterey, #8 Trousdale Co

All District

MVP Kassie Monday Clarkrange

1st Team

Kaylie Monday, Katie Arms, Abbi Bilbrey, Chloe Howard, Rachel Copass

2nd Team

Kyndal Ludick, Claire Fleming, Bailey Burchett, Shayla Wood, Lexi Pierce

3rd Team

Elizabeth Anderson, Mattie Bush, Ericka Davidson, Lily Manor, Kaiden Donoho

All Defensive Team

MVP Kassie Monday, Kaylie Monday, Rachel Copass, Abbi Bilbrey, Claire Fleming,  Nikki Ragland

All Freshman Team

MVP Bella Ashlock, Allie, Amonett, Abby Stowers, Halle Buford, Bailey Massengille, Kennedy Marshall

Coach of The Year Lamar Rogers

Pickett lost to Jackson Co who is setting in fourth place in the district, so no your not top 5 in state. 

1 hour ago, Ucdad said:

Just curious who is the better team this season Monterey or Clay in your opinion?

My opinion they are very even. Play 10 times would probably be 5-5. 

25 minutes ago, inkpen said:

Monterey in the last 3 years has won 1 District Championship, 2 Regional Championships and made it to the State Semifinals. 

Clay County is the next closest with 2 District Championships, 1 Regional Championship and a visit to the State Quarterfinals. 

No other team in the District or Region has come close in post season play.   

I respect all the coaches that invest their time into players and programs and don't want to down any of them.  But I have to say, players are wanting to go play for Coach West. 

Actually the last 3 years

for Clay Co 

16-17 District and Region champs State Runner up

17-18 State tournament 

18-19 District and Region champs sub state

this is the last 3 years but this year which is still to be determined 

19-20 District Champ sub state rest to be determined

but yes know one else close to Clay and Monterey over this time. 
 

not downing any coaches just giving my opinion on how they rank. 

21 minutes ago, basecoach said:

I have said in every post that I will give you Edwards at Clay County, he is a good coach with good talent. All of his players play hard and are good young men so we will leave him out of this equation. In 2014 Monterey won 21 games which is good by any stretch of the imagination. So 4 out of the last 6 years Monterey has had good winning seasons. We will right that off as West being lucky. If my records are correct since 2014 Clarkrange has had 1 winning season, not making the Sub-State.  Since 2014 Jackson County has had 3 winning seasons not making the Sub-State.  4 out of the last 6 years Monterey has had 4 winning seasons made it to the Sub-State twice and the State Tournament and could possibly make another appearance but some how West isn't near the coach that Pyle or Thomas are. I am missing something here. I am an old man and did not go to school at any of these schools but I believe in giving credit where credit is due. You will have to help me with your way of thinking sometime but I believe I have proved my point.

Did not say West was not near the coach that Pyle or Thomas are. Just saying how I think they rank. 2-5 could be any of them just how I rank them. But take winning out of the equation and then rank them. Pyle does more with less than anyone. Again just giving my thoughts 5 good coaches and 3 others. 1 is a no brainer and 2-5 not a lot of difference. 

Just now, ref83 said:

Monterey has not been a handful the last 5-6 years but have the last 3

record last 6 years

2014-15 21-11

2015-16 12-19

2016-17 15-19

2017-18 31-7

2018-19 27-10 

 

31 minutes ago, basecoach said:

The definition of a good coach isn't always defined by the win loss record. I gave you Clay County they have always been blessed with basketball talent. Gordonsville has some talented ball players, so please tell me what Bibb has done with that program. They beat Monterey when the post player was suspended a couple of games. When the season was on the line how did they fare?  As far as when he was in Pickett County what did he accomplish. Ask Pickett County about him and they will tell you that he is an awful coach. I am not agreeing with your comment about Pyle either. The last couple of years he has had some good ball players and some pretty good teams but that hasn't got him anywhere but has done more with less, that is a load of crap. Thomas in Jackson County has had some pretty good teams with good ball players in the last couple of years but that hasn't got him anywhere either. I have  listened to the parents in the stands the last couple of years and they can't stand him either. Peyton West is an above average ball player but the rest are not what I call great ball players but they play hard and win ball games even when West isn't having a good game, in my opinion he has done more with less than any coach in this district.  For the last 5 or 6 years Monterey has been a handful for any team to play. Before that,  Monterey was accustomed to loosing and it takes a while to get that mentality out of the program and it is not done over night, and I personally believe West has done a pretty good job changing that mentality without a Tyreke Key coming through the program. So you give me your definition of a good coach and then I will rank the coaches in District 6 accordingly 

I agree that a won lost record does make a good coach 

a lot of things make a good coach, getting kids to play hard and respect you, as a coach working to improve your self, make your program a good program (not just 2-3 years over a long period of time). Getting the most out of all you players, 

Tyreke was in the program 4 years those were not the only good years Clay has had. What would they have won if he wasn’t there who knows but Coach Edwards over the years has had to replace 3-5 players each year and is always in the running to win this league. As for what Bibb done this year took a team picked to finish 5th and finished 3rd and then runner up in tournament, when he was at Pickett Co he was in the mix to win conference every year. Again win more than a few years and I can change my mind. 1-5 not a big difference. 

27 minutes ago, basecoach said:

The definition of a good coach isn't always defined by the win loss record. I gave you Clay County they have always been blessed with basketball talent. Gordonsville has some talented ball players, so please tell me what Bibb has done with that program. They beat Monterey when the post player was suspended a couple of games. When the season was on the line how did they fare?  As far as when he was in Pickett County what did he accomplish. Ask Pickett County about him and they will tell you that he is an awful coach. I am not agreeing with your comment about Pyle either. The last couple of years he has had some good ball players and some pretty good teams but that hasn't got him anywhere but has done more with less, that is a load of crap. Thomas in Jackson County has had some pretty good teams with good ball players in the last couple of years but that hasn't got him anywhere either. I have  listened to the parents in the stands the last couple of years and they can't stand him either. Peyton West is an above average ball player but the rest are not what I call great ball players but they play hard and win ball games even when West isn't having a good game, in my opinion he has done more with less than any coach in this district.  For the last 5 or 6 years Monterey has been a handful for any team to play. Before that,  Monterey was accustomed to loosing and it takes a while to get that mentality out of the program and it is not done over night, and I personally believe West has done a pretty good job changing that mentality without a Tyreke Key coming through the program. So you give me your definition of a good coach and then I will rank the coaches in District 6 accordingly 

Monterey has not been a handful the last 5-6 years but have the last 3

record last 6 years

2014-15 21-11

2015-16 12-19

2016-17 15-19

2017-18 31-7

2018-19 27-10 

This is how I would rank the coaches and why

1. Edwards Clay Co record and accomplishments speak for their self

2. Bibb Gville look what he has done first year in GVille and what he done at Pickett, Pickett was always the team to beat when he was there 

3. Pyle at Clarkrange does more with less than anyone always hard out at tournament time

4. Thomas Jackson Co makes average kids better always has chance to win 

5. West at Monterey he’s has made this program better over pass three years and if he can do it year in year out would be at the top with Edwards 

6-8 pickem I don’t think any of the rest are that much different 

Pickett Co not much of a team just two man show. You don’t have to change anything against them just get a game plan and it works all year good coaching makes you do different things each game 

Trousdale Co just not a good coach 

Red Boiling Owens the worst in my opinion record will be good but that’s because of very week schedule won the last few years because of Marsh 

These are my thoughts Edwards the best 2-5 could be a toss up not a lot of difference 1-5 6-8 not close to the top 5. 
 

Thoughts and why please 

42 minutes ago, basecoach said:

Now grant it I am no basketball guru but I love to watch and have watched every coach in this District for many years now. I will say that Edwards is a real good coach and Amonette is a real good Coach but from there you are going to be hard pressed to convince me that Thomas from Jackson County is a better coach and that Pyle from Clarkrange is a better coach, that the coach from Red Boiling Springs is better coach, had Marsh not transferred there they would not have won a district game,  the coach from Trousdale is not a better coach he just has a lot of athletes on his team and who really knows what kind of coach Bibb really is. Also it is really hard to compare apples to oranges. Clay County has always been a basketball school but in reality how many games would Clay County have won the years that Tyreke was there had he not been there. He was 1 of those players that come along once in a coaches career. He would have made any coach look great.  So to say that he is the 5th best coach makes me think that you are (1) a hater or (2) a former player of his that must have been really bad and never got any playing time or (3) a former player from one of the other schools in the district.  I am not saying that Monterey is a basketball power house but I do know that in the last several years that teams have dreaded playing them because most games they were going to give you all that you wanted and you would have to play your best to beat them and that mentality does not start with 16 year old young men so someone has been having to instill that in them. In closing I am not saying that he is the best coach in the district but he by far should be ranked higher than 5th. Just my 2 cents       

Coach Edwards at Clay Co 20 years 12 sub states 6 State Tournaments so the years with Key is not all he has won, yes Key was one in a lifetime player for a coach. But no matter the coach talent makes a big difference,  Coach West has had a great 3 years but that’s it, can he do it year in year out that’s what good coaches do. Bibb at Gville just look what he done this year and was always in the picture when he was at Pickett Co Pyle at Clarkrange has done more with less than any coach in the league. Thomas at Jackson same thing more with less my opinion these are the best 4 coaches. West is a good coach but has had 3 good years coaching as far as won loss record and yes the last 3 years teas have dreaded playing them. All I’m saying is prove to me that your a good coach year in year out no just 2-3 years. 
also rank the Coaches top to bottom and why. 

8 hours ago, blueeyes said:

If I could pick one, my son would play for him over anyone in the Upper Cumberland.  Very Calm, humble, doesnt embarrass himself or degrade the kids.  His kids play with more heart, without the athleticism or ability.

Coach West would be a great coach to play for. I’m just saying his the 5th best coach in the conference. That’s not a disrespect comment it’s just we have good coaches in this league. 

8 hours ago, Ucdad said:

I would love to hear your reasoning behind this? 

When you win over a long period of time year in year out that’s why I put him 5th. Coach West has won a couple of years win for a long stretch and I might think different. 

11 minutes ago, Ucdad said:

Region Champs. Not bad for the “5th best coach”!!

He’s definitely 5th best in this league. That being said great win for the Monterey Wildcats good luck Monday. 

Just for everyone’s information 2 more forfeits in R7AAA Cordova forfeits to Dyer Co and Kinsbury forfeits to Hardin Co. 
 

1 hour ago, Rade Butcher said:

Future of program...it's no secret the talent is there...too much to take a early exit.

I thought the 2 best players were kicked off team. That would hurt a lot 

3 hours ago, Ucdad said:

I believe Coach West has more wins in the last three seasons than any coach listed?

Records last 10 years 

Clay Co 245-74

Monterey 168-136

Pickett Co 168-131

Clarkrange 156-165

Jackson Co 140-152

Gordonsville 126-168

Red Boiling Springs 121-181

Trousdale Co 82-191

2 hours ago, Ucdad said:

I believe Coach West has more wins in the last three seasons than any coach listed?

Monterey record last three years 73-36 if you count this year 96-41 Strength of schedule average over this time 18.25 schedule rank 28.5

Clay Co record last three years 85-21 if you count this year 109-24 strength of schedule average over this time 6.25 schedule rank 8

I did not add Jackson or Gordonsville  Coach Bibb first year Coach Thomas second year  so to use the past 3-4 years with them not there makes no sense  

I would rank Coach West 5th

12 hours ago, bobcatfan300 said:

Half the Clay team was not sick. Obviously anyone would take that into consideration. Monterey was at full strength. So again...nonsense. Weak teams do not lose by two points to the #4 team in the state on Clay's home court. One close game doesn't mean a lot, but several close games to top teams does. Beating Gordonsville when they were tied for 1st by 15 points like Pickett did, does. Beating RBS by 2 doesn't mean Pickett Co is a far better team like you imply with your reasoning, but it does say they were of equal strength. You just argue for the sake of arguing even though your statements are pure nonsense. Any one of seven teams can win the tournament but I think Clay and Monterey have the best shot. Gordonsville has lost 4 of 5 and that one win was triple OT against the weakest Clarkrange team in memory. Jackson Co is questionable that they can keep the upsets going. If PC plays RBS they'll have to have another great game. But, I think it's going to be a great tournament with seven teams able to win it. 6A is by far the best district in the state.

I didn’t say 1/2 of Clay was sick. Regular season only good for seeding. When this tournament starts it should be a great one. 

one of the biggest things that changes when tournament play starts is coaching means a lot more. The good coaches usually rise to the top, make the adjustments needed to win games.  District 6A has several great coaches and several ok coaches.  Coach Edwards at Clay Coach Bibb GVille Coach Thomas JC Coach Pile at Crange  my opinion best 4 coaches in league, all the others are average, definitely bottom 4 of this league. 
Tournament teams hopefully will be full strength, I heard Coach Edwards on the Cookeville radio show Saturday and said he was fully healthy for the first time in about 4 weeks, heard Monterey, Jackson andClarkrange would be player down to start tournament anyone have information. Clarkrange player suspended fight vs Stone Jackson Co play suspended Vandalism Monterey Player suspended for going after refs after game. 
 

Congratulations to  Coach Rob Edwards and Clay County Bulldogs regular season champions. 
looking forward to District Tournament next week should be a good one

51 minutes ago, bobcatfan300 said:

Nonsense. Scores indicate the strength of a team. So now you're saying that just because Clarkrange lost to Clay Co, now they could beat them in the tournament. But I guess you have to be right, no matter how illogical your statement is. PC isn't a team anyone wants to play right now.

Scores don’t indicate the strength of a team. What if Clay won by 2 but half the team was sick and only played 1/2 the game or Monterey only won by 1-2 both times and they had key players not playing ( not saying this happened just saying if teams are not full strength it doesn’t mean anything). I think any team could win in the tournament, but really believe that the top 6 could definitely beat the others. Right now my opinion Pickett Co and Trousdale Co are teams you don’t want to play. Clay and Monterey can have a slip up in District and still advance because of getting double bye and will go to Region. If any of the other teams have a bad game or players sick they could be home after their first game. Again this should be one of the best tournaments we’ve had in years. 

But my point is this games in regular season don’t mean anything but seeding. Winning or losing a close game in regular season don’t show your strength it only shows you almost won. And you are correct Pickett Co playing great basketball right now would no want them in a loser go home game. 

42 minutes ago, bobcatfan300 said:

You are PARTLY right. Close games show that teams are of similar strength and the next game can go the other way. AND, Pickett beat Gordonsville by 15 when they were tied for #1 with Clay and beat RBS. Last night they lost by 2 at Clay. They are as good as anyone now.

Actually I’m completely right it doesn’t matter who you almost beat it’s how you play the next game. Tournament time changes every team, coaching comes in to play more in the tournament in my opinion. Again any of the 1-6 can win if you don’t bring your A game. May be the best District Tournament we had in several years. The only teams that can have and off night will be Monterey and Clay County because both get double bye in tournament and automatically go to Region. 

That is correct 

18 hours ago, bobcatfan300 said:

Pickett lost to Monterey by 1 and 2, led Clay at home until the 3rd quarter, beat Gordonsville by 15 and beat RBS on Friday. 7th????Hardly!

Doesn’t matter who you’ve almost beat, good teams find ways to win. District tournament will be one of the best in years.  Teams better bring their A game or they will get beat. 1-6 could beat each other. Bad game in District could send a good team home. The only teams that can have a let down in the District are the #1and #2 seed because they get double bye and automatically go to Region. Looking forward to Tournament. 

8 hours ago, Onetownguy said:

they may live in Warren. But he is from Clay County.  

No he in this game all the officials were female. 

One was Ken Melton’s wife they live in Warren Co one was Ricky Shoulders daughter from Macon Co the other was from White Co.  

Just now, UCSportsFan said:

Abbott MVP

1st team Jonah Smith JC Woodcock Clay Co Marsh RBS Cody and West from Monterey. 

You know 2nd and 3rd team