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I'm going to go with Houston County on this one. I haven't seen them play, but I've seen Clarkrange play in and out of the state tournament and if they don't change their usual strategy, they'll be going home. During the regular season, they are known for playing rough, and usually it bites them in the tail when they get to Murfreesboro and the officials don't allow it like some local Refs. (i.e. Meggs county last year.) 

It should be a good game though!

This was a great game for Single A Basketball as a whole! 

Pickett county had some fire beneath them, mainly from Buck and Pritchett. I think that the stage was the downfall for Pickett. they haven't been to the murphy center in quite a while, and my guess is that nerves is what caused Ferryl to be off her game. I felt for her tonight as the pressure on her back could be felt from the stands. Good game overall though! Middleton did a good job of holding her to 3 though. I didn't expect them to be that good!

I had an argument with a guy on here about 7a I had said it wasn't as good as everyone said this year but I was wrong. I do get tired of hearing about how great 7a is but it is as as good as people say

i respect you saying that. When you're wrong your wrong. i thought that JC would be in the state tournament this year, but i was sadly mistaken.

true, but Jackson did that and Won by 20 and 14

Van Buren hosts Pickett County tonight, and i was wondering everyone's predictions?

Keep in mind that Pickett beat Jackson twice (once in double OT), Livingston, and Clarkrange. 

I predict Pickett winning by 10. 

This whole thread should be pulled off, UCdrama was just trying to start more drama just by the heading. Don't anyone even respond to his rants that is what he's after. After Clark Range takes JC out then he will be gone for another year. Every team in the state is hoping JC wins because UCdrama you know as well that JC has no business at the state tournament this year.

JC has no business at the State Tournament?? That's one of the most ignorant comments I've ever had the displeasure of reading. They've actually won a Gold Ball, and a Runner-up in there careers. And made impacts on those exceptional teams. Feel free to mention more decorated girls in your program. I'll give credit where credit is due. 

Thats great and I'm just on here asking how the 2 best can meet in a Semi Final of Regions?

Because of a past-halfcourt shot that was by mere chance. Nothing more to it.

I don't know why she didn't win it I just know she didn't. I never blasted you for nominating her as I think she is a very good player I was simply stating that I am tired of hearing how great 7a is and that's how this whole debacle got started. We both probably got a little carried away but at the end of the day Allen and Bouldin are both superb players I just resented the fact that 7a gets talked about like it's a district for royality when this season it's not that good that was my main point

You say that 7a is not as good as it was. But really, 7a only lost two players last year. Jaycee Coe and Tessa Dailey. To my knowledge Pickett lost no one. Allen, Flynn, Sheryll, phillips, shaver, cooper, meadows, van ruden, ferryl, buck, and mcllelan stayed in 7a and had an entire year to better their abilities. Maybe we did get carried away, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Wrong. He played 2 freshmen for all most the whole tourney in 2013. Allen and Flynn both were on the court for the better part of all 3 games. In the finals neither came out in 2nd half. If Flynn were not hurt(acl) and had played last year Jackson county would be defending state champs again.

I'm not sure what i was wrong about? i said that coach brown said in an article that he had never had a freshman playing in a state championship win when it mattered. Allen was in all 32 minutes and Flynn played some of the first have and the entire second half

It's all about the way things are perceived. The voters can't put in someone that is only averaging 14 points and didn't win her districts MVP, fans would riot because whoever from wherever is averaging more points and was her districts MVP. They can't say "well she plays in a tough district and has some pretty good players on her team thats why her stats are a little lower but she is a pretty good defensive player." None of that would matter because fans would not perceive her to be worthy of a miss basketball nod.

It seems to me that you're the only fan "rioting" as you put it. That's laughable. Allen averaged more points, rebounds, and if i'm not mistaken assists than Cooper, who won 7a MVP. The reason kassidy lost? most likely because Clarkrange beat JC both match ups. I think it's ironic that you blasted me earlier in the forum for simply giving my opinion that i believed Allen to be a better player, but now you are doing the exact same thing against Allen. The only difference is that i said i believed Bouldin should also be nominated. From the info I've gathered she is receiving heavy looks from UTC and other colleges. I think, with everyone writing on here about her, there would be a "riot' if she weren't nominated. 

7a only has 4 teams other than Jackson so that's 8 district games if Allen is such a great player how then is she only averaging 14 points you can have the best district in the world but it's still only 8 games you act like Jackson is playing clarkrange every night when that is not the case 8 games isn't even 1/3 of the schedule

 

I'm glad you asked that question. There are really two reasons.

1st- Kassidy Allen isn't the only good player on her team, like many schools who have a runaway player that is fed the ball on every possession. She has Cameron Sheryll, Mckenzie Flynn, and Lindsey Phillips who are notable players that will possibly play at the next level. 

2nd- Jackson County plays many teams outside of their district that you are probably unaware of. Just over Christmas break they traveled to Florida to play in a Christmas tournament with teams that have elite talent. Don't be fooled in thinking that they only play 8 tough games each year.

Plus, 1/3 of the schedule would make quite an impact on anyone's stat points if taken into account. 

Kassidy Allen has been on the State all tourney team '13 and '14. as a freshman and sophomore.

I remember reading an article that interviewed coach brown and he said that he had never had a freshman playing when it mattered in a state championship win. 

How about 9A with players like Pierce, Wilkerson, Buckner, Golden, Yost, and Hawkins. All these girls return next year too. I think it is one heck of a district. Believe there are players in this district that have better stats than the previously stated in 7a.

That's exactly my point, you can stack higher stats with a weaker district. 

I don't have a better one in mind and 7a is usually historically very good but this year they are not as great as years past. Im willing to bet all those players you mentioned were from the three teams i mentioned earlier. I'm also willing to bet that i cannot be the only one tired of hearing how great 7a is. I'm strictly talking about this season jackson and clarkrange are very good like i said but other than that its like any other district. You said earlier that Bouldins team struggles outside of district play well they beat clay and montery by 20 both times they played them. if  I'm not mistaken clay and monterey are in your much heralded 7a. And just because i know your going to bring it up i know VB lost to jackson by 20 and 14 when they played but like i said after jackson and clarkrange just like any other district this season

 

 

I'm not sure i follow you. You're saying that 3 out of the five teams in 7 A are better than any other district, and that those three teams could beat VB by double digits but then you go on to say that with all that said, 7A isn't that good and it's like every other district. that's a majority. Honestly, i couldn't name another team in VB's district. Of course every district has bad teams in it, but when the majority is on the level that the majority of 7a is, that's what makes 7a the best for single a ball

It's not only history, even though that's a part of it, and 22 state championships come from it. Perhaps you say this because you have a better Single A district in mind. Let's hear it. With players like Allen, Cooper, Shaver, Ferell, Meadows, and Flynn to name a few, it better be one heck of a district! 

District 7a stats were just released in the Herald-Citizen.

Allen led district 7A in scoring along with Meadows from Clarkrange averaging 14.7 points during the regular season. She was also second in rebounds behind 6'2 Meadows, with 6.7 rebounds (Allen being a wing), and 2.7 assists per game. 

To have such a great impact of 7A is worthy of recognition! i stand by my bid for Allen!

utc wants her so she must be pretty darn good buddy and they are prolly the premier womens team in tn. right now.

Once again, i will say that i believe Bouldin is an exceptional player, so it doesn't surprise me that UTC is looking at her. I don't know why you're acting like i think she is a bad player. Shes a great player! On the other hand, I'm sure colleges are looking hard at Allen.

No they haven't been to state but Bouldin has led them to substate twice with a less talented supporting cast and gave Jackson all they could handle last year in the substate. And Allen hasn't led Jackson to a state appearance without Coe so we will just have to see how it happens

Coe didn't win a state ring without Allen either. She was the only starter not yet on the team when they lost in 2012. She hit two huge threes the next year when they brought home the gold.

you keep bringin up team and substate. your forgetting that this is not a team award.

I'm not forgetting, my point is that when Van Buren plays in their district and region, they do exceptional. When you branch out, they don't fair too well. This means that their is a big difference in competition levels, giving allen a bigger challenge because she plays those caliber teams constantly. 

With everything being said, I wish Allen and Bouldin nothing but the best and in an ideal world both would be nominated. I think both are crucial assets to their team! Cant wait for nominations to be announced. Does anyone know when announcements will be made?

I'm not disagreeing with the districts one but it's pretty much fact 7a is the best not disbuting it. However Bouldin is shooting 62 percent from the field so it's not like she is chucking up bricks the whole game. Also the non district schedule they play is nothing like the district schedule so that is almost a mute point

You're right it doesn't look the same, but they also haven't advanced past substate so it isn't a mute point. Also, Allen, had a higher field goal percentage than Jaycee Coe last year. 

i would say that bouldin is definitly a better mvp candidate. she is definitly the mvp of her team. you take her away and they don't have much. no disrespect. she has huge stats. futurecoy what colleges are looking at her other than utc?

MVP of her team, no doubt. i haven't disputed that. 

Same could be said about it being a travesty if Heckert doesn't win Miss Basketball. West Carroll would not get 20 wins this year without Heckert, with Heckert, they're 26-0. Not only that, but she's a 4.0 student and a great kid.

I'm just not familiar enough with West Carroll or Heckert to give any commentary. But she sounds like a great young lady!

So your going to penalize Bouldin for being in a weak district? She cannot control that. It doesn't matter who her team plays she shines. I'm not going to disagree, Allen is in a much tougher district but saying just because Bouldin's district is weak she's not as good a player is ridiculous. 

I'm not penalizing anyone, I'm simply calling it how it is. I have said time and again that i think Bouldin is a fine athlete that will go on to achieve great things. However, i have watched both Allen and Bouldin play and i would pick Allen any day of the week. It's a fact that Bouldin plays in the worst Single A district in the state, and it's a fact that Allen plays in the best. The only person being penalized is Allen when people mention that Bouldin has much higher stats, but they don't realize that Allen plays with 4 teammates that are of District 7a caliber making it harder to have such high stats. If Allen were to switch places with Bouldin, there is no doubt in my mind that she would dominate Bouldin's district and region. 

We were simply saying that if your team's only "play" is to pass the ball to Bouldin, it isn't possible for her to have low stats. Surely you can't disagree that being on a team that has won district 7a the last 5 years and been in the state championship game the last 3, that Allen faces much more of a challenge than Bouldin.

Kassidy Allen has to be on the list for single A.  It will be a shame if she isn't.  I think she wins it as well.  I think Bouldin and Hackert are worthy also.  My push for Allen has to be more than the numbers game.  You have to weigh the district she is playing in as well.  I truly believe if Bouldin where in the same district playing the same quality teams night in night out her stats wouldn't be as padded as they are.   It helps when you are playing in the weakest district in all of single A ball to achieve great stats.  I am not taking anything away from her, she is a very good athlete and will get some strong strong looks and play at a reputable college no doubt.  But at the end of the day I have seen both Bouldin and Allen play and my vote hands down is Allen.  With that being said Bouldin is a strong contender and wish nothing but great success for her future.  When taking it all into consideration though these are strong points that have to be thought about.

I thought this was posted from my account at first because of the similarities in our handles, ha. But, i couldn't agree with you more. Very well said! I found something interesting yesterday. I went back and looked at the JC Vs. Van buren record since Allen and Bouldin have been playing and the record is 7-0 in favor of Jackson County, which shows the difference in the caliber of teams they play for. (one game VB lost by 51 points. I wish both of them the best as they both seem to be class acts, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty if Allen didn't get Miss Basketball.

She is averaging 14.4 PPG and 6.8 Rebounds PG.

Thanks Jimbo44. was that last year or this year?

I've seen girls that average more than what Allen averages but when you take into account that she plays in

1) the hands-down toughest single A district in the state and

2) She plays on arguably the best Single A school, historically speaking and finally,

3) she played alongside notable JC Alumni

they really are impressive numbers!

I was talking to a good friend a few days ago about standouts, and he mentioned that its easier for a good player to rack up stats if they play in a weak district or on a weak team, where the only "play" is for the team to pass the ball to that person. I reiterate what i wrote earlier when i said that for her to play on such a good team and make the dents she has made as an underclassman is something else!

I do not think the Allen girl from Jackson Co. was freshman of year I think it was the big from Pickett Co. might be wrong

I just went back and checked and Allen was Upper Cumberland Freshman of the Year 2013

I'm going to stick with what i know for sure, and give you the facts but i intend to update my post later with more recent information.

Class A

My nomination for Class A would be 5' 11'' Junior Kassidy Allen from Jackson County High. When you look at a Miss Basketball finalist, you shouldn't only look at what they themselves have achieved (though that is very important), but you look at what they've done to advance their team. I looked back at info. i had found in articles and her achievements are plentiful.

-Upper Cumberland Freshman of the Year

-District 7a All Tournament Team x2

-Region 4a All Tournament Team

-Class A All State Team x2

-Upper Cumberland honorable mention and Upper Cumberland all second team

-District 7a all first and third teams 

As a team she has helped the Lady Devils to 

2 District Championships in 7a

1 Region Championship

1 Class A State Championship

1 Class A State Runner-up

She has started her entire high school career and at the very least deserves a nomination. She has, in my opinion did what her team needed of her, being a truly unselfish player. When Flynn got her due to an ACL, Allen stepped up as a PG, Sacrificing the ability to be a big scorer, instead leaving that to Coe. She has played for the biggest powerhouse program in Single A, alongside such players as Brooklyn Apple (Lipscomb), Makenzie Hensley (VA-Wise) and of course, two time Miss Basketball Winner, Jaycee Coe (UK). My guess is that her stats aren't as impressive as those of some other players because it's harder to average a ton of stats when everyone on your team is capable of what Jackson County is historically capable of. 

Phillips did exceptional from the charity stripe tonight, and although allen fouled out halfway through the fourth quarter, she made quite a presence in both offense and defense throughout the course of the game. I think that jackson proved they can utilize their natural bball IQ, physical aggressiveness of Phillips, and unmatched athleticism in Allen and Flynn to win big games. On the other side of the gym, McClellan was a spot up shooter, as was the Pritchett girl. I felt at the end, mcclellan should have been left in, as she had the momentum of a made 3 pointer,but was taken out ineffectively. I predict if they meet again, both sides will be ready.