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7 minutes ago, dontstopbelieving said:

In my eyes that decision should have been predetermined before the match, DB heavyweight was always going to get pinned, and the best Crowder could do was get a decision against Todd but that was a toss up. The best chance to get points out of those 2 weight classes was to bump Crowder up.

Hindsight is always 20/20. I guarantee that all the coaches come with a game plan. The crazy thing is if Crowder wins in 2OT we are talking about how they pulled out a gusty dual. You win some and you lose some. It’s part of leaving fate up to others. What if Crowder loses at HWT? These are all the things coaches think about. Coaching is a lose lose game until you win. It was a great dual and lots of changes will be occurring for both teams the next week. 

Credentials???  Probably a little stronger than yours. Won state championships when it was one tournament, before it was diluted, and wrestled in college .... Not because my brother almost.... could of... would of.....  should of.  

 

Did you ever place in the Region?  Sounds like you have an ax to grind with  Newberry's new coach,

Credentials on who?

Who, besides Bono, are the "amazing" instructors? Looks like a bunch of guys that could not wrestle D1?????

Yea that is not true. There are a good wrestlers in Division 2 that could wrestle D1 but doesn't have the grades or wasn't liked in high school. I did count 3 D1 wrestlers on that staff. Look at Meridieth form Wyoming, he could not start at NC State and went back home and now is an All-American. You can not say that just because someone doesn't wrestle D1 doesn't mean they are not as good. It was what they thought was best for them.

I agree to everyone. The reason for AAU is gaining trust from the coach and AD in the part of them knowing you want a position within the school.

I understand being an AAU coach to start off I was trying to be a volunteer coach for the high school but it seemed as if the school board procrastinates on making decisions on it. I have a desire to be a coach give back to the youth things I learned as a wrestler not only on the mat but as a person and how much I grew from the sport thanks to the coach I had.. so not being able to coach because people give you the run around or just don't care about making a decision is bothering me.. I might as well go to 10 schools and see which school will let me volunteer first..

Some schools do not want to go out on a limb to give chances like that because of sue happy people now of days. I would probably say take a shot elsewhere or try to have a meeting with the AD to see where you can go from there. Sorry that stuff like that happens a lot. It happens a lot more in wrestling than in football because of the popularity. Have you talked to the coach and see if he would talk to the AD and principals? 

Just curious on how to become a coach for high school or middle school. It just seems like it's impossible to become a coach now a days because the school board wants teachers to coach as well and the passion to just coach wrestling or teach kids something you learned from this sport is not good enough. So without having to be a teacher for the school what other options are there?

There are a couple of things you can do, one become an AAU coach at the school and get experience inside the school system. You can also volunteer at the school to get your name out there. The problem you will have is most schools need someone they can hold accountable in the system as a teacher where taking a coaching position away is very little consequence. 

I just want to take the opportunity to thank the two referee's that screwed my son out of a semi final match by not awarding him a critical takedown with three feet in bounds.  There was a much bigger lesson awarded here.  A life lesson...  It doesn't matter how much or how hard you work at something the right thing doesn't always happen.  It's how you manage that disappointment that will help to build the kind of character which will make you a more successful and well rounded person.  As painful as it was witness, I am now thankful that it happened.   

I have been there and done that except it was in the match to place after coming out of the championship bracket losing 3-1 to the state champ in the second round as a returning medalist and beating 2 ranked wrestlers in the consolations. It happens. Do I regret it? No. Am I mad about it? No, because a legacy and character are built on how you handle the loss. Could I hold on to it? Yes, it was my senior year and only gave me my 4th loss that season, but you do not leave anything to chance. You fight for what is yours and the fact is this sport owes you nothing. The only thing you deserve is the right to compete if you work for it. This sport is so much harder than anything else, because your mistake is magnified to the n^th degree and the mistakes fall on you. Your son will grow from this hopefully and move on. Do not hold to this or it WILL define you and that is not what you want. Wrestling is only a sport, not life. Excel in other things to define what type of man or women you will be because that is what counts, not what kind of wrestler you were 30 years ago.

Maybe we can get that Bradley/THS match up next year, hopefully in the State Duals finals.  I don't think we had anything for them this year, they were clearly the class of the field.  Congrats to BC wrestlers and coaching staff on a job well done.   

 

As for Region 1, I'll be happy to toot that horn as we have made great strides in moving our corner of the state forward.  Only a few years ago we were the last Region in the state in medal count and my team alone has tripled that medal count and the Region has multiplied it almost times six.  So yes, we've definitely improved. 

 

As far as I can find through the TSSAA online records, Tennessee High's runner up finish is also the best yet for a Region 1 team (that should probably be confirmed by someone that's been around longer than me since the TSSAA online records only show back to 1998).  Either way we've done well!  As long as we keep challenging each other, things will only get better for our region.

 

 

Following is a Region One medal count break down:

Tennessee High: 6

Jefferson Co: 2

Science Hill: 2

Dobyns Bennet: 1

 

But wait, there's even more good news, of those 11 medalist, 5 will return next year. 

I think the best part was when Cocke County, Volunteer, Crockett, Daniel Boone, and one of the Morristowns had a person in the third round of consolations. Those teams are coming up as well. It is very fun to watch. Enjoy the off-season and work as hard as possible. This is the time to make state champions

Medalists by region

 

R1- 11

R2- 11

R3- 6

R4- 23

R5- 11

R6- 7

R7- 12

R8- 3

This is great showing that there is quality throughout the state and not only in a couple of regions, state is getting back to what it use to be before the split.

If Russo continues the domination he has all year, why not be considered MOW.??

Because most outstanding wrestler is for that tournament, not the whole year. Plus who would have said he would have won out. Is he a great wrestler? By all means, but not for this tournament. The coach who made the call to sit his wrestler effected that. Is it right? No, but this happens a lot more than people think. It is a big rise up because it is Russo who is a great kid and wrestler. It is a shame, but we need to get off the boat and also celebrate the people who made it to the finals and won state. His career is flawed to end, but colleges already know what type of man and hard working wrestler they are getting. If they decide not to pursue more if he is not committed then shame on them as well for being shallow. 

No, it puts everything to the MD, which is what their job is and the reason they are on site, this takes it out of the wrestlers hands and the coaches! If the MD signs off either the wrestler chooses to wrestle or if he decides not to he forfeits to the other wrestler. Concussions in wrestling happen quite a bit less then those in most other sports, Soccer is way worse as is football, I think it wouldn't be to hard to have an MD complete concussion protocol on a hurt wrestler and decide if he can continue or not. Again it takes it out of the wrestlers and coaches hands and puts it where it belongs in the MD's.

What is the plan then? If it can take up to 72 hours for symptoms to appear and take hours to have MRIs and CT scans you will be having week long tournaments. Bad concussions happen less, but they still happen. In 2012 wrestling had a 5.8% concussion rate in the nation. If there are 10,000 wrestlers that is 580 wrestlers who receive one. That is a lot

I am talking about doing the protocol and once passed the match coming back and being wrestled from the point it was at. If a coach at that time decides that his wrestler will not continue it would be a forfeit as it allows the medical team full time to perform the protocol and either clear the wrestler or not. If the wrestler is not cleared and it was ruled illegal then the match is won by the hurt wrestler, however if passes protocol he either wrestles or forfeits. This makes it all a medical opinion by a MD and not a coach. Like I said at that time the match either continues at the point in which the contact was made and stopped or the match is ruled for the hurt wrestler or if coach decides his wrestler cannot return or wrestler decides he cannot return even if cleared, the other wrestler wins.

Then you will see wrestlers being taught to say they can not continue. There will always be a loop hole in this. You just hope people are doing this sport for the right reasons

It happens more than you think. There are a lot of this that flies under the radar. There is more news on this issue now which needs to be addressed. 

And I don't Blame the Johnson kid at all, he was put into a tough spot and I wish him all the luck in this tournament and in life. I am sure Russo will continue to fight through the bracket and that also shows a lot of heart and what he is made of!  If wrestling wants to get tough and worry about concussions, maybe they should stop a match when an concussion protocol should take place. Complete the protocol which can take up to 15 minutes and once completed if fit to wrestle on then match should take place continuing on from where it was stopped. I fear concussions in all sports, but it shouldn't change the total outcome of any match to the point that it has, just imagine the outrage that would take place if this wasn't just the TSSAA championships but the NCAA finals? Keep the kids safe but also keep the integrity of the sport!

They do, if the official or coach sees a kid with any concussion symptom by rule they are suppose to stop the match, and the wrestler is not allowed to return until signed off by a MD

Both his parents said he could continue wrestling last night as did the wrestler and medical personell, actually apologized to Russo and his parents in person. The coach should be ashamed of himself to want to win that way. I dislike the rule to begin with because it is so much of a judgement call, yet you can suplex someone and not get called on anything but it can lead to broken neck and also concussions. Sadly though it has cost someone a quest in a 3-peat and to me lost any respect in this sport for the coach and I wouldn't let either of my two sons wrestle for him! I guess no Howell System wrestling camp for my kids!  And yes I watched the match and that wasnt a slam, it was a hard put down back to the mat.

Knowing this it changes everything and as a whole we are truly sorry to Russo and the Soddy program. Now we know we need to change the rules

As bad as cheating if kid was cleared.

Again the training staff has probably never seen this kid so they are talking to the wrestler to see if he felt like he could and do some initial stuff. The physical symptoms may not have happened. Until you know the story do not judge the wrestler or coaching staff. Only they know the real story

He was returned to the mat with to much force per official said the Times Freepress.110% was ment to say he was wrestling hard. Are we really going nitpick. The point is the kid said he could continue and was clear definition by the trainer. The coach would not allow him to continue and Russo was robbed of a possible 3rd title.

Again, as a health professional, maybe the coaches saw something that the trainers did not because of a great thing called a baseline. There are trainers who defer to the kid even though there could be something wrong because it is state tournament. There are trainers who ask the kid if they are okay and if they say yes they are "cleared." A quality concussion test takes 15-30 minutes and they can still pass it and have one. Sometimes we let our feelings of kids mask the good in maybe someone saved this kids life. You never know.

Congratulations to Arlington for having a great 1st day.  It's nice to see a Memphis team do well!

There is a lot more depth this year, region 1 has i think 13 or 14 wrestlers in the quarter finals, region 2 and 3 have a good showing, Memphis area or region 8 has shown that they can compete. I hope the growth continues to make this a competitive state nationwide. Now here is the question, do they seed the top 8 if it keeps doing this trend?

Here is the thing, by all accounts nothing has made any of us think otherwise that Russo was or is intending to hurt anyone. Does he wrestle hard? Yes. To wrestle at the level he is wrestling you have to. Did he make a mistake with how the guy was taken to the mat? Probably, but it is also a judgment call by the official with the force component. If the kid was not hurt and the trainers cleared him that is one thing. If the coaching staff took the TSSAA push for concussion and thought he would be better off not continuing then that is another thing as well. It will all depend on if the kid wrestles this morning, forfeits out, or wrestles like he is hurt. In any case I hate Russo going out like this, but I would not want to face him in the consolations, he is likely to hit a big hot streak and place 3rd.

They have done well, surprised me a bit, but happy to see them have success. I'm thinking too big a gap to catch the bears but second or third would be a great showing.  Lots of points to be had in the quarters so you still have a shot for the top spot. Should be fun tomorrow.

Very much so! consolations will be key

Tennessee High has a lot of people in the quarters. They could compete.

Ill give my top 4...

 

106: Charles Wheaton- Soddy

        Brayden Palmer- Beech

        Bryce Pond- Cleveland

        Trent Nelson- Tennessee High

 

113: TJ Hicks

        Calvin Martin- William Blount

        Graham Brothers- Brentwood

        Job Dooley- Franklin

120:Ryan McElhaney- Bradley

       Logan Whiteside- Cleveland

       Michael Moultry- Siegel

       Dylan Coggins- Stewarts Creek

126:Tristan Roa- Brentwood

       Triston Blansit- Cleveland

       Jack Shrader- Franklin

       Owen Schnedler- Independence

132:Corbin Hurley- Tennessee

       Joseph Munoz- Walker Valley

       Colton Landers- Cleveland

       Nick King- Wilson Central

138:Knox Fuller- Bradley

       Dewey Pendley- Tennessee

       Zach Wilkins- Mt Juliet

       Cole Iller- Centennial

145:Trevor Rippy- Beech

       Michael Diemer- Heritage

       Landon Fowler- Blackman

       Jordan Massengill- Ooltewah

152:Donnie Beyer- Bradley

       Chris Rowland- Ravenwood

       Christian Salter- Siegel

      Kris Bledsoe- Bolton

160:Tucker Russo- Soddy

       Matthew Sells- Blackman

       Colton McMahan- Knoxville Halls

       Damon Smith- Wilson Central

170:Zach Linton- Wilson Central

       Tate Holmes- Anderson Co

       John Oliveri- Stewarts Creek

       Kyle Smith- Beech

182:Kaleb Ribby- Beech

       Nathan Walling- Mt Juliet

       Dawson Johnson- Bartlett

       Jaylon Martin- Walker Valley

195:Brett Brown- Bradley

       Justin Johnson- Stone Memorial

       Andre Bravo- Blackman

       Dylan Pearson- Tullahoma

220:Tyler Barber- Stewarts Creek

       Hunter Bagley- Stewarts Creek

       James Parker-Overton

       Austin Hagerman- Tennessee

285:Nick Boykin-  Riverdale

       Logan Townsend- Jefferson Co

       David Adams- Bradley

       David Savco- Cumberland Co

 

Someone please fill out 5th and 6th lol. Best of luck to all competing!!!

Bagley is from SHHS. 160 Alex Jeffers could have a shot at sneaking in the 5 or 6 place match if he wrestles well, Spangler from Tenn High could sneak in as well. Cooper Williams from SHHS could be in there as well

Where is the info?

Every school I have ever been apart of has always had one paid Head Coach and one paid Asst Coach for Wrestling both at Middle and HS levels. Yes Football has more Coaches but it takes more for that sport.

2 coaches for 60 kids to the 6 coaches for 100 kids at the varsity level? That is 1:30 and 1:19 coach per player ratio in paid positions. The point is, there needs to be more support than there is for any region to "catch up" to Bradley, Cleveland, Soddy, WC

I think if they are to really improve, it starts before HS.  They have to have clubs to run elem levels and the Schools must adopt Wrestling in the Middle school levels with paid Coaching Positions.  Middle and HS need to have on campus faculty/coaches that are not run by AAU or USA. 

Hence the backing of the schools. There has been many times that schools hire coaches because they can coach multi-sports. Also, there are a lot of times that schools pay the head coach and not the assistances. That would come out of the budget of the wrestling team or the head coaches salary. The sad thing is the school pays 5-7 coaches in football to the 1 in wrestling. It is sad and needs change. It will not happen until people for one understand the sport and two, do something about it. That is why we need community support and local college support.