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51 minutes ago, ILB1999WHS said:
that's not really a related thing.
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Here is how they did the districts.
https://tricitiessports.com/tssaa-opts-for-playoff-change-in-football-p26869.htm
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19 hours ago, Pirate2003 said:
Does anyone know how many total football playing schools we had in 2009 when they went to these classes in comparison to now?
Knew I had them somewhere.
Here is what I have from 2009:
Division 2-A Elliston Baptist Academy 29 Riverside Christian Academy 76 Zion Christian Academy 103 Memphis Catholic High School 130 Lancaster Christian Academy 131 Rossville Christian Academy 141 King's Academy 144 Mt. Juliet Christian Academy 153 Bishop Byrne High School 179 St. Andrew's – Sewanee School 186 Tipton-Rosemark Academy 203 The Webb School 217 Immaculate Conception High School 218 Franklin Road Academy 239 Lausanne Collegiate School 252 Fayette Academy 262 Ezell-Harding Christian School 262 Davidson Academy 269 Donelson Christian Academy 291 First Assembly Christian School 309 Jackson Christian School 326 University School of Jackson 350 University School of Nashville 361 Southern Baptist Educational Center 362 Harding Academy 367 St. George's Independent School 372 St. Mary's Episcopal School 458 Webb School of Knoxville 474 St. Cecilia Academy 478 Evangelical Christian School 510 Division 2-AA Battle Ground Academy 392 Ensworth High School 427 Brentwood Academy 463 Hutchison School 466 Briarcrest Christian School 567 St. Agnes Academy 608 Pope John Paul II High School 635 Baylor School 712 Harpeth Hall High School 736 Girls Preparatory School 784 Memphis University School 828 Father Ryan High School 870 St. Benedict at Auburndale 983 Montgomery Bell Academy 1140 McCallie School 1304 Christian Brothers High School 1778 Division 1-A Knoxville Christian School 31 Clinch High School 48 Carroll Academy 70 Tennessee School for the Deaf 75 Memphis Academy of Health Sciences 83 F.C. Boyd Sr. Christian School 97 Frank Hughes High School 103 J. Frank White Academy 108 Richard Hardy Memorial School 111 21st Century Academy 122 Hampshire High School 126 Big Sandy High School 134 Clarksburg High School 146 Sunbright High School 154 1A Gleason High School 169 1A Washburn High School 176 Oakdale High School 176 1A Berean Christian School 185 Pickett Co. High School 187 1A Greenfield High School 195 1A David Brainerd Christian School 198 1A Bradford High School 204 Santa Fe High School 207 Huntland High School 210 1A Sale Creek School 211 Copper Basin High School 222 1A Coalfield High School 224 1A Greenback High School 226 1A Memphis Middle College High School 231 Merrol Hyde Magnet School 233 Red Boiling Springs High School 234 1A South Pittsburg High School 243 1A Hollow Rock-Bruceton Central High School 245 1A South Fulton High School 248 1A Cloudland High School 251 1A Lookout Valley High School 253 1A Van Buren Co. High School 257 Lake Co. High School 261 1A University School 274 Memphis Academy of Science & Engineering 278 Clarkrange High School 283 Midway High School 287 1A City University School of Liberal Arts 304 Culleoka High School 312 Jo Byrns High School 315 1A Hancock County High School 316 1A Nashville Christian School 319 1A Moore Co. High School 321 1A McEwen High School 322 1A Cornersville High School 326 1A Clarksville Academy 329 1A Columbia Academy 331 1A West Carroll High School 334 1A Perry Co. High School 334 1A Gordonsville High School 334 1A Union City High School 344 1A Collinwood High School 347 1A Monterey High School 350 1A Clay Co. High School 352 1A Harriman High School 367 1A Halls High School 377 1A Tennessee Temple Academy 378 Middle Tennessee Christian School 382 1A Whitwell High School 382 1A Wayne Co. High School 382 1A Huntingdon High School 382 1A Eagleville High School 383 1A Grace Christian Academy 389 1A Jellico High School 390 2A Friendship Christian School 392 2A Watertown High School 398 2A North Greene High School 398 2A Middleton High School 403 2A Rockwood High School 404 2A Oneida High School 405 2A Treadwell High School 409 2A Peabody High School 412 2A Richland High School 413 2A Unaka High School 419 2A McKenzie High School 419 2A Dresden High School 419 2A Silverdale Baptist Academy 425 2A Mt. Pleasant High School 426 2A Grace Baptist Academy 434 2A Summertown High School 436 Community High School 436 2A Hampton High School 437 2A Trinity Christian Academy 443 2A Humboldt High School 447 2A Scotts Hill High School 448 2A South Gibson High School 450 2A Trousdale Co. High School 451 2A Signal Mountain High School 454 2A Chatt. School for the Arts & Sciences 454 Houston Co. High School 455 2A East Robertson High School 456 2A Wartburg Central High School 457 2A Oliver Springs High School 460 2A White House Heritage High School 461 2A Madison Academic Magnet High School 466 Forrest High School 478 2A Adamsville High School 479 2A Cosby High School 483 2A Marion Co. High School 494 2A Cascade High School 498 2A Boyd Buchanan High School 500 2A Westwood High School 501 2A Jackson Co. High School 511 2A Douglass High School 513 2A Tellico Plains High School 515 2A Decatur Co. Riverside High School 517 2A Loretto High School 519 2A Division 1-AA South Greene High School 531 3A Oakhaven High School 542 3A Bledsoe Co. High School 542 3A Alcoa High School 544 3A Westmoreland High School 550 3A Tyner Academy 553 3A Meigs Co. High School 559 3A Lewis Co. High School 587 3A Gatlinburg-Pittman High School 590 3A Christ Presbyterian Academy 590 3A Upperman High School 593 3A Hickman Co. High School 599 3A Polk Co. High School 603 3A East Hickman High School 611 3A Happy Valley High School 614 3A Manassas High School 615 3A Cumberland Gap High School 615 3A Goodpasture Christian School 625 3A Milan High School 626 3A Sullivan North High School 638 3A B. T. Washington High School 642 3A Camden Central High School 645 3A Harpeth High School 648 3A Sweetwater High School 667 3A Smith Co. High School 667 3A Gibson Co. High School 667 3A Westview High School 672 3A Pearl Cohn High School 675 3A Sequatchie Co. High School 681 3A Collegedale Academy 686 Waverly Central High School 693 3A Alvin C. York Institute 694 3A Howard School of Academics & Tech. 695 3A Loudon High School 702 3A Fairview High School 705 3A West Greene High School 706 3A Cheatham Co. Central High School 712 3A George Washington Carver High School 714 3A Jackson Central-Merry High School 716 3A Chuckey-Doak High School 718 3A Johnson Co. High School 723 3A Stewart Co. High School 729 3A Christian Academy of Knoxville 734 3A Austin-East High School 741 3A Martin Luther King High School 744 Kingston High School 747 3A Cannon Co. High School 748 3A Unicoi Co. High School 756 3A Grundy Co. High School 757 3A Memphis North Side High School 758 3A Hixson High School 761 3A Elizabethton High School 761 3A Chattanooga Christian School 770 3A Pigeon Forge High School 775 3A East Literature Magnet School 786 3A McMinn Central High School 802 4A Scott High School 805 4A Crockett Co. High School 821 4A DeKalb Co. High School 824 4A Marshall Co. High School 825 4A Covington High School 828 4A Jackson South Side High School 839 4A Sycamore High School 842 4A Chester Co. High School 845 4A McNairy Central High School 855 4A Hume-Fogg Academic Magnet 857 East Ridge High School 857 4A Claiborne High School 857 4A Sheffield High School 861 4A Union Co. High School 866 4A Greenbrier High School 868 4A Lexington High School 869 4A Hillcrest High School 879 4A Page High School 884 4A Spring Hill High School 889 4A Grainger County High School 891 4A Greeneville High School 892 4A Bolivar Central High School 895 4A White House High School 897 4A Ripley High School 898 4A Brainerd High School 906 4A Notre Dame High School 913 4A Macon Co. High School 913 4A Livingston Academy 922 4A Stratford High School 929 4A Fayette-Ware Comprehensive High School 935 4A Obion Co. Central High School 936 4A Haywood High School 945 4A East Hamilton 948 4A Giles Co. High School 955 4A Montgomery Central High School 957 4A Liberty Technology Magnet High School 964 4A Trezevant High School 966 4A David Lipscomb High School 968 4A Creek Wood High School 980 4A Red Bank High School 981 4A Sequoyah High School 982 4A Fulton High School 983 4A Frayser High School 988 4A Sullivan East High School 989 4A Kingsbury High School 1005 4A Stone Memorial High School 1012 4A Fairley High School 1012 4A Maplewood Comprehensive High School 1018 4A Gibbs High School 1022 4A Carter High School 1028 4A Whites Creek High School 1043 4A Dyersburg High School 1049 4A Chattanooga Central High School 1065 4A Division 1-AAA West Creek High School 786 5A Northeast High School 920 5A Mitchell High School 1015 5A Memphis East High School 1067 5A Sullivan Central High School 1069 5A Portland High School 1072 5A Springfield High School 1076 5A Dyer Co. High School 1090 5A Sullivan South High School 1094 5A Cumberland Co. High School 1113 5A Knoxville Catholic High School 1123 5A Tullahoma High School 1145 5A Anderson Co. High School 1150 5A Lawrence Co. High School 1155 5A Jackson North Side High School 1167 5A Station Camp High School 1186 5A Kenwood High School 1203 5A Seymour High School 1216 5A Craigmont High School 1217 5A Cherokee High School 1218 5A Knoxville Central High School 1230 5A Beech Senior High School 1230 5A Hardin Co. High School 1246 5A White Co. High School 1249 5A Volunteer High School 1249 5A Northwest High School 1255 5A Hillwood High School 1255 5A Centennial High School 1256 5A Hillsboro High School 1258 5A Munford High School 1260 5A Shelbyville Central High School 1263 5A Lenoir City High School 1268 5A Melrose High School 1288 5A Raleigh Egypt High School 1292 5A Cleveland High School 1303 5A Overton High School 1314 5A Knoxville Halls High School 1323 5A Ridgeway High School 1330 5A Hamilton High School 1341 5A Tennessee High School 1342 5A Cocke Co. High School 1343 5A David Crockett High School 1346 5A Clarksville High School 1352 5A Clinton High School 1365 5A South Doyle High School 1373 5A Cane Ridge High School 1376 5A Hendersonville High School 1385 5A West High School 1392 5A Gallatin High School 1397 5A Powell High School 1403 5A Daniel Boone High School 1407 5A Morristown-Hamblen High School West 1409 5A Columbia Central High School 1416 5A Bartlett High School 1430 5A Glencliff High School 1434 5A Campbell Co. High School 1437 5A Walker Valley High School 1459 5A Henry Co. High School 1460 6A Morristown-Hamblen High School East 1464 6A Brighton High School 1466 6A Rhea Co. High School 1472 6A Franklin Co. High School 1472 6A Southwind High School 1474 6A Brentwood High School 1491 6A Rossview High School 1498 6A Lincoln Co. High School 1500 6A Oak Ridge High School 1506 6A Karns High School 1511 6A Dickson Co. High School 1523 6A Millington Central High School 1530 6A McMinn Co. High School 1530 6A Wooddale High School 1533 6A Lebanon High School 1544 6A Maryville High School 1555 6A Soddy-Daisy High School 1570 6A Oakland High School 1597 6A Hardin Valley Academy 1605 6A Wilson Central High School 1628 6A Coffee Co. Central High School 1655 6A Bradley Central High School 1682 6A Heritage High School 1688 6A John Overton High School 1690 6A Germantown High School 1696 6A Memphis Central High School 1709 6A Kirby High School 1756 6A Independence High School 1763 6A Warren Co. High School 1781 6A Mt. Juliet High School 1790 6A Sevier Co. High School 1792 6A Ravenwood High School 1797 6A Franklin High School 1802 6A Hunters Lane High School 1821 6A William Blount High School 1876 6A Bolton High School 1889 6A Farragut High School 1893 6A Blackman High School 1897 6A Ooltewah High School 1909 6A Bearden High School 1931 6A Dobyns Bennett High School 1942 6A Houston High School 1957 6A Collierville High School 2003 6A Arlington High School 2004 6A Antioch High School 2004 6A Smyrna High School 2028 6A Whitehaven High School 2041 6A LaVergne High School 2064 6A Cordova High School 2065 6A Siegel High School 2109 6A White Station High School 2142 6A Science Hill High School 2158 6A Cookeville High School 2178 6A Riverdale High School 2312 6A Jefferson Co. High School 2318 6A McGavock High School 2817 6A -
19 hours ago, Pirate2003 said:
Does anyone know how many total football playing schools we had in 2009 when they went to these classes in comparison to now?
June 2008 Board of Control Meeting Minutes from:
https://tn.milesplit.com/articles/18620
4. Classification plans to be considered in Division I
A. Present plan – (Classification 2005-2009)
Rationale: Keep things as they are.
B. Three-class plan is used for football district alignment with AAA being split into two classes (5A/4A) and AA into two classes (3A/2A) for football playoff purposes. Class A remains in one class for football due to the large number of non-football playing schools.
In football (Class AAA) the top two teams from each district (16 districts) would qualify for the playoffs for a total of 32 teams. The upper half (by enrollment) of the schools in AAA would be 5A and the lower half would be 4A. The 32 teams finishing 1st and 2nd in each of the 16 districts would be played in 4A and 5A. The remaining spots in each (4A & 5A) would be filled with wild cards. There would be 32 teams in 5A and 32 teams in 4A for a total of 64 in Class AAA. The playoff brackets would then be set. You would follow the same procedure for AA (2A & 3A). The brackets would then be set in the same manner as 2A football in 2007 (needs link).
Rationale: Places schools in the same districts in F, Bk, B, S…; decreases travel for schools by using three-class plan rather than five; keeps five football classes that have similar make-up to present plan.
C. 4-Classification Plan – We would first divide all schools in three classifications by enrollment. All schools in Class AAA (by enrollment) would become the top classification (AAAA). Class AAA would be all schools in metropolitan areas (as defined by the National Center for Education Statistics) in Class AA and A (by enrollment). Class AA would be all schools in AA classification outside metropolitan areas and Class A would be all schools in Class A outside metropolitan areas.
Class AAAA would be divided into two classes for football only (same as plan
for a total of five football classifications. This could either be done as present (upper half of schools, by enrollment, in eight regions and same for lower half or follow procedure as outlined in 4B).
Rationale: Provides better competitive equity for AA and A schools outside metropolitan areas. Research over past 20 years shows that the schools in AA and A outside metropolitan areas have had the least successful programs in terms of tournaments, overall.
In this plan, schools isolated, geographically, would be able to appeal to move to another classification (example-Sullivan North, University School)
Division II
Classification plans to be considered in Division II
1. Present Plan – Classification (2007-2009)
Two classes in all sports except wrestling, track, and bowling with schools being split (1/2, 1/2).
2. Place all 375 schools (entire membership) in three classes by enrollment. This determines the break for both Division I and Division II. Then allow all schools the option of going to Division II.
Rationale: Lets all schools know what class they are in, whether Division I or Division II. Presently, schools choose Division I or Division II. Presently, schools choose Division I or Division II, then we set classification breaks.
Note: Division II would then be two classes (A and AA/AAA)
3. Have three classes in football and two in all other sports except wrestling, track, and bowling.
Note: There are many consequences of any classification decision. This is meant to provide an overall picture of the major decisions that will be made in, hopefully, a concise manner. Any further questions should be directed to members of the staff. -
This comes up in several forum topics. So I did a little research.
Here are the five states above and below us in population. I did NOT account for 6 & 8 man football.
State Rank / State Name / Population / etc
11 New Jersey 9,388,414 public 5 private 2 total classifications 7
12 Virginia 8,757,467 public private total classifications 6
13 Washington 7,901,429 public private total classifications 6
14 Arizona 7,303,398 public private total classifications 7
15 Massachusetts 7,126,375 public private total classifications 8
16 Tennessee 7,023,788 public 6 private 3 total classifications 9
17 Indiana 6,845,874 public private total classifications 6
18 Maryland 6,257,958 public private total classifications 6
19 Missouri 6,188,111 public private total classifications 6
20 Wisconsin 5,935,064 public private total classifications 6
21 Colorado 5,922,618 public private total classifications 5
Interesting note, unless I missed something the only state besides Tennessee that splits public/private is New Jersey.
Also realize that not all of these split classes by size. You want to know that research it yourself.
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On 12/4/2022 at 2:47 PM, footballknox said:
What are the rules for a high school player to transfer from a public school to a private school without an address change? Public school is three miles from home. Private school is around nine miles from home address. Thank you.
Wonder how long before the wannbe NCAA(TSSAA) creates their version of the tranfer portal now that NIL is a thing.
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On 11/29/2022 at 3:12 PM, CaptainLongbeard said:
Why would you reduce the number of classes? How many states have less than Tennessee? If you reduce the classes you will have teams playing in lower classes that are playing someone double their size. That’s not fair to the Coalfield’s, Copper Basin’s, Oakdale’s of the state.
id be interested to know how many total teams we had playing D1 in 2009 was as compared to now. Do you have those numbers? Just curious where we are.
You posed a good question. I was curious so I looked. Here are the five states above and below us in population. I did NOT account for 6 & 8 man football.
State Rank / State Name / Population / etc
11 New Jersey 9,388,414 public 5 private 2 total classifications 7
12 Virginia 8,757,467 public private total classifications 6
13 Washington 7,901,429 public private total classifications 6
14 Arizona 7,303,398 public private total classifications 7
15 Massachusetts 7,126,375 public private total classifications 8
16 Tennessee 7,023,788 public 6 private 3 total classifications 9
17 Indiana 6,845,874 public private total classifications 6
18 Maryland 6,257,958 public private total classifications 6
19 Missouri 6,188,111 public private total classifications 6
20 Wisconsin 5,935,064 public private total classifications 6
21 Colorado 5,922,618 public private total classifications 5
Interesting note, unless I missed something the only state besides Tennessee that splits public/private is New Jersey.
Also realize that not all of these split classes by size. You want to know that research it yourself.
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Look how late these games (played by the Jackson High State Champion) were:
Historical Results
Game Date Opponent Result Dec. 2, 1938 Grove High Paris W, 19-3 Dec. 10, 1938 Memphis Tech W, 19-6 Dec. 17, 1938 Elizabethton L, 14-26 -
See this list for where state championship games have been played.
https://tssaasports.com/history/results/champions/?sport=football
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On 11/8/2022 at 10:04 AM, rlh said:
Here's a little trivia for you. South Pittsburg, Oakland, and Alcoa are the only teams to play in all 4 venues. Brentwood Academy will have to make to to Chattanooga to stay in that club.
Alcoa also hosted three state championship games. Two that they played in.
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I prefer that one of the actual schools competing in the championship hosts the game. Classifications (1, 3 & 5) host on the east side of the bracket and (2, 4 & 6) host on the west side of the bracket. Then alternate each year. A version of this is how it used to be done. The two schools can split the gate evenly between the two of them. We really do NOT need the TSSAA's help to put on OUR state championship games. We assume that we need the TSSAA because they have been around so long, but we do NOT. They do not do enough, well enough, to justify what they take from us.
This suggestion might have been said, sorry I chose not to read through all of this.
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Football playing member schools could withdraw football teams from the TSSAA and instead play under the umbrella of a different governing body such as the Tennessee Football Coaches Association. Go back to playing the state championships at one of the host schools like they used to do. Do odd number classifications play west and even number classifications play east, then swap it every year.
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I hope when the Titans get their new stadium built, it will be held there.
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City continues their march toward Chatt with a win this week against the lions and next week against the Rebels.
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Mckenzie gets their last playoff win of this season against Moore County by two scores.
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Congratulation on the playoff win Obion. That second round playoff win remains elusive as Milan wins by at least two scores.
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They say it is often hard to beat the same team twice...so instead Henry County pounds Portland this time.
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Running clock game in favor of Knox West
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Springfield wins by six or more.
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22 hours ago, O3t said:
Wasn't the clinic bowl the first game of the year at one point? Is that when the money went to the charity, the championship game, or both? I'm not sure, I couldn't read the article.
By Philip Nannie – Nashville Business JournalJan 5, 2005 Updated Jan 5, 2005, 3:41pm CSTNashville is in danger of losing the Clinic Bowl to another city.
Tennessee Secondary School Athletics Association (TSSAA) officials will meet later this month to decide if Nashville, Murfreesboro or Chattanooga will host the annual state championship football event.
"Bids are in and the TSSAA Board of Control will meet on the 13th to decide," says Matthew Gillespie, TSSAA's assistant to executive director Ronnie Carter.
Gillespie says the TSSAA doesn't necessarily want the event to move outside of Nashville, but contracts have expired and a review and rebidding process had to be completed.
"When our contracts are up in the cities that host the events now, other cities are then allowed to bid," he says, noting both Nashville and Murfreesboro have expressed interest in hosting both the Division 1 and Division 2 championships.
"Either city could bid for all of it or just one of the games," Gillespie says.
Nashville Area Junior Chamber Charities president Ken Youngstead says the goal is to bring both the Division 1 and Division 2 games back to Nashville.
The Division 1 state championship games are for the public schools and are now played in Murfreesboro while the Division 1 or private school games are played at Vanderbilt in what's commonly known as the Clinic Bowl. The Nashville Junior Chamber is the Clinic Bowl's sponsor.
"The Board will make the best decision for the member schools in our organization," Gillespie says.
Junior Chamber of Commerce officials say relocation would end Clinic Bowl proceeds to help handicapped children at Vanderbilt.
For the past 54 years the Junior Chamber, which organizes and hosts the Clinic Bowl, has given event proceeds to Vanderbilt University Medical Center to provide free rehabilitation services such as wheelchairs, braces and physical therapy to handicapped children. Proceeds totaling $30,150 from the 2004 Clinic Bowl were given to the medical center today.
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Just now, riverrat said:
Little history on our state's football championship.
'Clinic Bowl' could leave Nashville
https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2005/01/03/daily26.html
I had always thought it was called the Clinic Bowl because there was a football coaching clinic. Interesting that proceeds use to go to Vanderbilt to help kids.
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Little history on our state's football championship.
'Clinic Bowl' could leave Nashville
https://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/2005/01/03/daily26.html
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Kind of pointless to speculate until all the teams move up.
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48 minutes ago, vfl3382 said:
5A best guess.
Region 1- Cocke County, Morristown West, D. Crockett, D. Boone, Tn High
Region 2- Central, West, Sevier County, Halls, Heritage
Region 3- OR, Karns, Powell, Clinton, Lenoir City, Campbell County
Region 4- Rhea County, Howard, Walker Valley, McMinn County, Ooltewah, East Hamilton
Region 5- Franklin County, Lincoln County, Tullahoma, Shelbyville, Nolensville, Hillsboro, Glencliff
Region 6- Columbia, Page, Spring Hill, Lawrence County, Centennial, Dickson County
Region 7- Hendersonville, Beech, Northwest, Kenwood, Springfield, Portland, Henry County, Hunters Lane
Region 8- Brighton, Mumford, Southwind, Memphis Central, Kingsbury, Overton
22 on the east side and 27 on the west side. Doesn't really sound fair...., which probably means the TSSAA will do it.
for a total of five football classifications. This could either be done as present (upper half of schools, by enrollment, in eight regions and same for lower half or follow procedure as outlined in 4B).
Dresden Coach
in Class 1A & Class 2A
Posted
Why? Low pay. Low budget thanks to the Rotary milking the programs revenue. Foul smell. There are other negative things...
Positives: the players and being toward the top of the classification numbers wise.