oknative

I think the rule book might actually mention 1/2" foam padding all around the cast -though I'm not sure I'd allow bubble wrap. And the doctor's note is a must.

Still may be an issue. Red card in the boys season last year caused a player to miss the next two scheduled varsity contests. Something about the JV game being scheduled in conjunction with the Varsity game. There was also an additional one game suspension by the schools administration. Hope for the best though.

I watched a boys regional final a couple of years ago, when after the game, the ref got a little overzealous and red carded several players from Madison Academic. The players who weren't seniors had to sit out the first two games of the next season.

As to the faint lines, referee's could call a game and not allow it to be played because of the lines, but I imagine VERY few coaches would ever want a game called because of faint lines. At worst, it would seem more reasonable to bring it up with the coaches who should make sure the players are aware. I've been in many a game where the lines were faint, though usually its the sidelines. Did a game just last week where the grass had been cut short the day before and the cutting made all the lines very faint. And been in down pours where the lines disappeared in the middle of the game. But the games go on "as if the lines existed". An unfortunate event.

Shelby Jordan, midfielder, 9th grade, Univ School of Jackson

On the Tennessee Olympic Development 94 team.

I refereed a game in Nashville with her in it and she was probably the best player on the pitch. INCREDIBLE speed.

A player being outside of a field boundary line has NO BEARING on whether the ball is in play or not. A player may be temporarily, totally off of the field of play and play a ball that is in, on or above the boundary line.

 

boomer10 Thanks for clarifying your exact position. The game result is as it was. My curiosity was due to the player who made the cross was adament that the ball was still in play. At this time it makes no difference other than the discussion may clarify the rules for any who are in doubt.

ref2coach, thanks for the catch. I stand corrected.

Luke Hartman from Goodpasture Christian School would have be included in this list. He led an regular season unranked Goodpasture team to the state quarterfinals.

Goodpasture was involved in two shootouts in post season play - in the District final against CPA (11th in state) and in the Regional final against White House Heritage (3rd in the state). In those two pk shootouts, Luke stopped 4 of 8 pk shots taken at him. An incredible feat by any goalie standards.

And in a losing effort, impressively held Knoxville Catholic to two goals on 26 shots on goal.

Speaking as a referee also, No referee should ever guess. Facts are as you state sometimes the ball +/or players will beat an AR to a position, when that occurs the montra is "when in doubt, do not guess."

 

The first person to relay the information was someone from Tullahoma, a town far from either school, standing still in position a yard or two from the goal line, while the AR was still more that 10 yards away trying to "catch up".

Agreed, you only call what you see - if you don't see it you can't call it. Which is why I said I would hope he truly believed that he saw the ball go over the line. That should have been the only reason he made that call.

Thoughts.

Thoughts.

Can't believe after all the chatter about Catholic and CAK that no one would have started this yet. Having watched both of them play on Wednesday evening, I don't see how anybody's going to beat the Irish. They seem to be hitting on all cylinders right now.

Exactly, oknative, except you may be confusing Maryville (AAAA) with Alcoa (AA). Same rules. Same results. Both public. Both in the same county and both fantastically good.

Oops. Guess that was one of those Freudian slips. Either one fits interchangeably. So CJFM, what about both of those publics? Same question.

But I already know your answer because you public/private split proponents don't want to address the real issue of students attending other schools from outside their own districts - which publics and magnets also do - you just want to penalize only the privates. Shouldn't every public and magnet who do this have the multiplier imposed and be forced into another division with the privates?

"...because the only two public schools that made it are out..." Well put and just another reason that all private schools should be together in one division. I was shocked that any public schools made the tournament in A/AA.

So tell me what you're gonna do with Maryville - a public school that allows students (athletes) to transfer into their school from out of their school district? They've won the 2A football championship for like 5 years in a row. Isn't this the same thing you accuse the privates of doing? So publics do the exact same thing.

Everybody sees something different on the soccer field. And its for this reason why most referees usually don't consider fan, player or coach input when making calls. We can't.

Consider the play described. The play was described as a long pass that went all the way to the goal line. I know VERY few refs that can keep up with these 17 & 18 year old studs when they are racing at full speed after a ball. Face it, MOST refs in this situation are going to be behind the play. It was a tough call and I'm sure the ref made his decision on what he truly believes he saw.

Thanks for the explanation. I still think all privates should be in one division though because they all recruit in some shape or form. But then again look at Riverdale in football so it can happen anywhere so its really hard to argue that because public schools get away with it to.

Actually this discussion need to take place in the General Discussions under Public/Private Debate.

oknative, the "ball that did not cross the line" the line the are talking about is the endline before the player crossed it to a player who vollyed it into the net.... does that make it clear? the ball did not go out for a goal kick, but the ref called the goal ball back because he thought it went out before the player crossed it. clear?

OK, got it. Officiating soccer is all angles and position. Don't imagine the call was intentional, but the ref didn't help himself if he was behind the play. Tough call. Glad it wasn't me.

It was a good game, played hard by both teams. Madison had a chance to tie the score on a direct kick from about 35 yards out with under a minute to play. Nick DeSeo hooked the ball over the top of the wall, had the goalie beat, and it hit the crossbar - BB wins. An incredible shot - missed by 4 inches. It was pretty to watch. Congrats BB.

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I totally agree on the issue of Goodpasture's effort. From what I've heard of the match the Goodpasture mids and defense worked hard all night for a very good result considering the amount of possession Catholic was able to maintain.

 

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Good comments Hoya. I think Hendersonville suffered from those lessons yesterday. From what I heard, they outplayed their opponent all game, only to lose by 1. That's soccer.

I was actually at the corner, near the restroom pavilion and had the best look at the ball. The ball clearly did not cross the end line. The Hville player got a foot on it prior to it fully crossing. This was a legit goal that was unfortunately taken away. The ref on that side made a few questionable calls with regard to balls crossing. OR was taking the ball up and the ball, once again, did not cross the sideline in this case - only half of the ball was out and he called it out right in front of the OR bench. They challenged it through complaining but to no success obviously. Hville had several opportunities to put this game out of reach but could not do it. OR was on their heels over a majority of the game. Either way, OR got a good goal and that's all that matters in this game.

 

Congrats to both teams.

Trying to picture this goal/no goal. Broomer, you say the ball did not cross the line, but then say it was a legit goal???? Yet it has to fully cross the line to be a goal.

Ok, so ball is lofted over the goalie and is then apparently on the line. then a hville player gets a foot on it - before it fully crosses the line?? Does he go ahead and put it into the back of the net, or did it stay at the line. Was play stopped by a whistle, or was the ball then cleared? Did goalie get it? Was it pulled back or kicked out by a defender None of the descriptions really describe what happened once the ball was on the line.

Top 10 All-Time

1. David Russell Weatherly HS PA, 94 goals, 2002

2. Michael Richardson Surry HS NC, 92 goals, 2002

3. Sean Shapert Pennsylvania, 88 goals, 1993

4. Michael Richardson Surry HS, NC 87 goals, 2001

5. Steven Bush Myrtle Beach SC, 85 goals, 1976

6. Will Wolford North Tahoe NV, 83 goals, 2000

7. Jason McLaughlin Wetumpka AL, 80 goals, 2002

8. Gregory Douglass Kingswood HS TX, 73 goals, 1984

8. Jason Garey St. Amant HS LA, 73 goals, 2001

10. Robert Meschback Gordon Tech I,L 71 goals, 1983

Tennessee Andy Metcalf, University School 65 goals, 2001

I know that quite a few play club. Definitely more than half. But I would have to disagree with your assessment of Good Pasture's defense and goalie. You are right in the they did not let in many goals, but most any team can keep the score low when you pack the box. But i'm not taking anything away from Pasture, because it's a strategy of the game.

Goodpasture has played 3 defenders and a sweeper all season - just like a million other teams. And the irish were inside our mids ALL night long - so not sure that would be considered packing the box. Holding Catholic to 2 goals on 26 shots on goal, from a team of that quality does say something about GPs defense. And I don't think your 26 shots on goal are counting AT LEAST as many shots that were blocked directly by the GP defense from going in on goal.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to take away anything from the irish, their win was convincing and their skill level was incredible - and in the end it doesn't matter whether the score was 1-0 or 15-0. Irish win. Irish advance. But that said, the irish only scoring two goals wasn't from their lack of trying or opportunities, or being merciful - it was because that was about the only thing GP did with any success all night - keep all those irish shots from going in. And despite the loss, that's something GP can certainly be proud of. Go Cougars. Good luck Irish.

Although the score did not show, Catholic dominated the game. But hats off to Good Pasture for not letting the game get out of hand. Im looking forward to watching more of Good Pasture in the years to come. Congrats to both teams. And good luck the the Irish on their quest for their first state title.

I would agree on your assessment of the game. Catholic did dominate in most aspects of the game. However, the score didn't show it because Goodpasture's defense and goalie deserve a lot of credit for their efforts which kept Catholic from running the score up. Afterall, what was the count on shots on goal - 100 to 5?? I don't believe they scored on any direct drive in on the goal, instead their only two goals both came on one touch amazing kicks off of hard rebounds. Again, congrats Irish.

By the way, out of curiosity - how many of Catholic's players play travel ball. D1 or D2? It showed.

Congratulations to Knox Catholic for a very well played game tonight against Goodpasture. Good luck as the tournament moves forward.

Having said that, CONGRATULATIONS also to Goodpasture for a turnaround season and a run to the state tournament. Despite playing a team tonight that clearly had more talent, holding Knox Catholic to only 2 goals was a feat that GP should be VERY proud of.

What tradition? How many state titles?

Tacky, tacky.

Not bad for Madison get to the big dance when the school been in existence for less than 5 years, and been to 2 sectionals and regionals. Districts, then regionals, then sectionals, now the State tournament. I'd say they're building a tradition.

My guess is the original poster just phrased the question wrong. But your post was simply in poor taste.

thoughts.

The cinderella team would have to be Goodpasture Christian School. 12-5 and winning by defense.

Two shutouts in the post season, and two wins (against #4 White House Heritage and #10 CPA) in shootouts with their goalie, Luke Hartman, stopping 4 of 8 kicks in the two shootouts.

I know there's a lot of good teams out there, but don't take Goodpasture for granted.

I thought I explained the "letter of the law". Gene Beck and I have spoken about how language should be dealt with. But the problem is all the parents or fans that think they understand the law watch a lot of club or USSF/ FIFA matches and think that NFHS is the same set of rules.

Just like you have a Obvious Goal Scoring opportunity. Say the keeper comes out to contest a ball, misjudges it and the attacker has a wide open goal. Now the keeper fouls the attacker to try and prevent the goal.

A. the ball goes in the goal but is still fouled.

B. the ball goes wide and is still fouled.

C. the ball goes wide and a defender slides in to contest the shot.

What do you do in all three cases "by NFHS" to the goalkeeper?

It doesn't matter what the parents and the fans think we play by, we play by NFHS.

A. Disqualify the goalie, award the goal. Kick off from midfield. Goalie is replaced buts team plays down a player.

B. Disqualify the goalie, award a PK. Goalie is replaced but team plays down a player.

C. Disqualify the goalie, award a PK. Goalie is replaced but team plays down a player.

In the third situation, there could be some judgement involved as to whether it was an obvious opportunity to score if another player was able to make a play on the ball. However, there would still be a foul resulting in a PK. Goalie might not be ejected.

And of course the awarding of the PK would only be done if the foul was in the penalty box. Otherwise it would be a direct kick from the spot of the foul.

Well first off, if a player gets his foot stepped on and yells out the f bomb, do you think he should be disqualified?

or should he be disqualified if he gets his foot stepped on and yells out "f bomb YOU!" There is a difference.

In the former you can probably talk to the kid and say its unacceptable, where as in the latter it is directed at someone so he should be disqualified.

Now being in the south it would offend a lot of people if ######- say the riverdale coach actually used ######- was used like that, but say the coach just moved here from the North where that may be acceptable to a degree but maybe just gets a yellow because the referee took it in the context of he's just frustrated and vented a incidental profane remark out.

You have to look at each play and see if that one play incites or degrades someone in which then they should be disqualified.

As an official you have to have you head on your shoulders and have to be able to distiguish between the use of incidental or not. because that could be the factor of playing down or not. I figured you guys would be smarter than this.

Ok, first of all, i did say that language should be looked at in the context of the play and game, and whether there had been previous warnings. You're the one making the big deal over "incidental". Let me try this one more time - even incidental language can be offensive. So simply being incidental can't be your only criteria to judge the language. And please don't rationalize curse words, profanity and the like to players who read this post. Don't let them get a red card because you made them think it was ok to curse, as long as its incidental. It doesn't belong in the game. Period. That said, judgement is never left out of those decisions.

And if a coach does move here from the North, using language which is not acceptable here in the South. I'd be more than happy to give him a lesson in acceptable language on soccer fields in Tennessee. Coming from the North is not an acceptable excuse for being profane, vulgar or offensive. Its not Tennessee rules, its NFHS rules.

Well that would be considered incidental. It isn't directed at anyone. "get your A** back here" is directed at someone. Where as "God D***it" is just incidental to directed at anyone. I'll be giving advanced English lessons later on.

Gotta disagree with you on this one, blankguy. A player or a coach use G D, and they'll be looking at a red card from me. I don't care whether its directed or not directed, or incidental. Next to the f word and the n word, its probably the next most offensive word, (in my opinion) a player or coach could use. Red Card.

Again, coaches know the rules of language and need to be prepared to accept responsibility for their language as well.

Well I guess my previous post was to vulgar so I'll tone it down. HAHA. In NFHS any language directed at an opponent, official, coach, trainer, TEAMMATE is to be considered for disqualification. Only in USSF is it only a send off if you direct it at an opponent. The referee in this scenario was right.

The referee did not effect the outcome of the game, the player in which who said the language was walking a fine line of "maybe testing what the referee would do" but just figured "I can say it since it is to my teammate. The referee probably felt that for the best interest of the game the player should be disqualified.

NFHS is all the idea of sportsmanship in every aspect of the game; no matter if it's towards an opponent or teammate. There is no place for that sent that the player said in the game of soccer on the high school level.

You can agree to disagree on this but the official who worked that game was probably one if not the best in that area. And I would probably put money on that he will be working the state tournament and probably does some college level officiating.

Blankguy, actually the NFHS rule book states that simply "using" the language is enough for disqualification. It DOES NOT have to be directed at anyone to draw a red. Imagine a player missing a goal and yelling - at no one - several expletives. It may be incidental, but its also offensive. Red Card, despite being incidental and not directed at anyone.

The point of the previous post was that there's a lot of leeway for referees to use a lot of judgement, either way, with regards to the multiple rules dealing with language. Personally, I'm pretty tough on language so don't have any issue with ANY card for language. Players know the rules - they shouldn't be trying to test the definitions of the rules or the differences between yellow, red or yellow/red.