Yea I must say Karns just flat out played, hustled, and coached them. I don't think Norris can correct the issues I observed. Like you spoke about the shot selection they were taking shots with three defenders on them. I think it's beyond repair. They are getting worse every game. I think unless the players decide to rally around one another and play TEAM ball they may as well canceal their season right now. They do have talent so they need to put it together soon.