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I'll give the brackets a gander as far as IMAC opponents and we will see. Not much time between now and games, so I think it is difficult.

Here goes my prognostications for Eastman IMAC success.

Cherokee cruises though pool 6 until they meet Gate City. Pool 6 winner Gate City

Greeneville goes 2-2 in pool losing to CAK and Science Hill. Pool 4 winner Science Hill

Morristown East brutalizes Pool 7. Pool 7 winner East

Cocke County 3-1 in pool play losing to Unicoi. Pool 3 winner Unicoi

D-B takes Pool 1

Hendersonville wins Pool 2

Knox Central wins Pool 5

Coeburn sqeaks out a win against Volunteer to take Pool 8

Going out on a limb to say championship between Unicoi and M'town East

IMAC finishes with several teams in the top 8 again, but...............

Unfortunately, East takes first loss of the season. WINNER UNICOI!

You guys will have to tell me how I did as me and my Lady Pats will at Soddy Daisy!

The schedule is correct. The changes were made due to CAK withdrawing from the tournament.

 

The 2008 information is posted. Go to http://www.dbsoftball.com/eastmannew.htm#2008 .

Thanks I was looking at the Photos link from previous years.

Yea Lance!

 

Special request here for your take on the Eastman tournament this weekend. Time to expand your coverage a little.

After shaky start Lady Pats win 5-4 in ten innings. Lady Huricanes derail Cocke County 13-3. IMAC just got more interesting. East sittin on top looking pretty, Cherokee, JCHS, and WEST will battle it out for positions 2, 3, and 4. Cocke and Greeneville stilll got somethin say about it. Same ol" IMAC different year. What's interesting about the IMAC this year is how the battle lines are being drawn. East's pitching surging as of late, but hitting and D is what they rely on for their wins. Chief's "Great Hunter" is still throwing the smoke signals, but when you're young in the IMAC you learn the hard way. You can't win just scoring one or two in the IMAC.(just ask my Lady Pats) West's pitching while good does not have the (umph!) it has had in the past, but sticks make up for it. Typical JCHS, pitching among the best in IMAC, but can't seem to get it together until mid-season. As usual look out for them in the post-season. Greeneville getting better every year, but always a step behind ( I expected Jo-Jo would make a bigger impact than she has). Put them in any other local conferance and they compete for the championship. Cocke County has got great tools, but when you got a hammer and only two nails you can't build a building. May have two of the better players in the IMAC, but it takes nine to win here.

Sorry I didn't "man up" & post yesterday, but it was stilll hurting too much. Still hurts too much today too, but I can't hide out forever. Kudos to the Lady Canes. It was a fun game, however ugly it was. It basically looked like 2 teams who hadn't played ball in 12 days or so. Ok, now we're all waiting for today's edition of Lance's Losers and the Game of the Day. "Bring 'em out, bring 'em out...."

 

 

You can't leave Lance, you have your 'silent' audience to think of.

Battle for just who is number three in IMAC happens tonight. West and JCHS will battle it out, but unfortunately I suspect that West will need no salmonela in their "Peanut" tonight. JCHS's Nelson and Peterson hit two big bombs to end 1-1 tie in the seventh against G'ville, only difference is West can hit the bombs also. Pitching for JCHS may be a little better for JCHS, but bats are more consistant for WEST. Top of the lineup for both teams will make the differance tonight. Heads, West. Tails, JCHS. Heads wins. East vs Cocke more interesting than the past. Lady red not convinced they are at the bottom of the pack, and neither am I. However, East undefeated in IMAC and hittin it well still prevails. Can't wait til tonight!!!!!!!

Pools and Schedule are now posted at http://www.dbsoftball.com/eastmanschedule.htm

 

Tournament rules and directions are posted at http://www.dbsoftball.com/eastmanrules.htm

 

Let's hope and pray for good weather.

 

See everyone in a couple of weeks.

Why are last years team placement and all-tournament team not posted?

What's for supper tonight, Lance?

 

East v. West. Gotta love it, it's finally softball time in Morristown. Both should be dying to get on the field as they've played one game between them in the last 12 days. How will the layoff affect the 2 teams, or is it a non-issue?

Great battle tonight between M'town bruisers. Layoffs hurt everything, but I expect cross-town rivalry overcomes rust. Pitching is good for both teams, but is down from years past all across IMAC. The thing both M'town teams has going for them is the "LUMBER". Expect a battle at the plate this evening, but hits plus big "D" leans toward the Canes. East wins the "Rhea town" rivalry this year. Don't forget JCHS vs G'ville tonight. Devillettes much improved and Lady Pats still struggling to put it all together. Karns and Science Hill postponed, but it took a late game push just to get by Pigeon Forge. However, they did get a win last night against an also stuggling Rutledge team. Should be a interesting night in the IMAC!!!!!! Should find out who's who on the rungs of the ladder to the top. GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!!!!

Thats hilarious, I think I was there.... If I remember correctly it was in Morristown wasnt it?

Yep!!!!!!!!!

Also worth noting--in the two out/first occupied scenario, the defense can also make the third out by a force play. So if the catcher blocks it in the dirt and tags the plate, that's good enough if the bases are loaded. (A runner caught napping on that play could also be the third out.)

I had a team actually win a tournament on the dropped third strike rule several years ago. Here is the situation. Game tied 5 to 5, we are home team with bases loaded and two outs, full count on he batter. Called time and I told my runner on third "no matter what happens run half way home" and instructed the batter "to run no matter what". Unbelievably the catcher dropped what would have been the third strike and send the game into extra innings. When the catcher saw the runner coming home and then stop, instead of simply stepping on the plate she rolled the ball back to the pitchers mound thinking the inning was over. Runners take off while the opposing team wondered to the dugout. Umpire called the runner safe at home and said "BALL GAME". The opposing fans, coaches, and ball team went beserk. Umps had to be escorted to their cars! Ump made correct call, unfortunately they didn't see it that way.

You truly are the man, Lancelot, so I take it Coucke County won? There wasn't a score posted. I'm like you though, West has played Greeneville and CC & I was a bit surprised at the outcome of that one.

No, the Lady Pats took the win, but as Lancelot the IMAC is closing ranks. Anybody at any time can win these days.

Hendersonville High School is putting together a Middle School tournament for April 24th and 25th. Each team will play three pool games and then single elimination. The cost of the tournament will be $150.00. If you are interested e-mail Coach Griffin at andy.griffin@sumnerschools.org. If we do not get enough teams we will look at taking 12u and 14u travel teams. Kind of late notice, but we just got approval from parks board.

Jefferson County has two official middle school teams, but they are not TSSAA sanctioned. They are not travel teams, can they enter?

You cant be serious. If you actually think any player is going to play at he next level only playing for her High School team you need to call any collage coach & talk to them. They will tell you themselves that they do not attend HS games. On the rare occasion when or if they do, 9 times out of 10 it is to watch a player they have allready contacted or seen in travel ball. Why would they spend a recruiting date going to a HS tournament or game ( even if it is a "quality team") to see 1-2 players when they could go to an exposure tournament or ASA Nats & see 100's?

 

At younger levels you are probably correct, most summerball coaches could be clasified as "daddy ball" coaches. But once these young ladies reach a certin level in ability and age they move on to the better coached teams. Now these teams may still have a dad coaching but with the amount of time and money it takes to play competitive summer ball & be seen by collages, NO player or parent that is serious is going to hang around a "daddy ball" coach. I am afraid you are confusing ego with pride / confidene... No coach that cares about there players is going to have a team take the field that he / she doesnt think can compete. Thats the mentality it takes to compete in the real world. And thats not just true for sports.

GHS we are cut from the same cloth or maybe we have just been around to see the truth. Thanks for your well put comments it makes me feel all fuzzy inside.

you don'have to play daddy ball to be noticed by schools . if you have a guality high school program you will be seen weather it inthe summer or spring . most of the summer ball cosches leave when thier daughter becomes to old to -play travel ball. most of travel ball coaching is a ego thing anyway

You are living a life of denial (probably a high school coach). Many travel ball teams are coached by "daddys", but guess what those years they spent on the diamond they didn't earn a dime, they were there for the kids and most spent the time learning how to coach individuals not for profits. True most fall by the way when their kids move on, but the truely successful teams are borne from those "daddys" who stuck around. I could name a page full of dads who hung around and put their time and hard earned cash on the line long after their girls were gone and didn't need monetary incentives to coach. Am I saying high school coaches shouldn't be payed? No. I am saying they should be qualified. Step your precious lttle high school team out into the real world of ASA travel ball and see who's your Daddy now!!!!!!!! There are 14 under travel ball teams out there that would hand almost any high school team their respective hynnies. I have been in the fastpitch softball circles for around 25 years and to my knowledge have seen about one college coach a year at high school events. Last years Murfeesborough exsposure tournament had 32 colleges represented and 28 teams. hows that for your coach to player ratio. Further more, some of the best athletes come from the less known high schools, why should they have to have a "quality program" to get noticed. Example, Sarah Feccutti, walked on at UT didn't get any money until her junior year and led the nation in D1 schools in batting average her junior and senior year. How many girls out there are not as fortunate to get that break she got her freshman year when she was getting no attention from any other school. TSSAA needs to stay out of the athletes lifes when they are not playing during a TSSAA season!!!!!!!!!!

Hold on there... The 50% rule is the only thing thats saving alot of the young ladies from being stuck with their HS coach all year... They should have inacted it for Summer and not fall. We lost one of our best players last year because her HS coach "demanded" that she play summerball with her. Well, that & she really wanted to play for her HS insted of telling the coach where to stick her summer team.

I could agree with the fact that "most" high school coaches should only be coaching during the high school season. In fact I would say that a high percentage of high school coaches shouldn't be coaching at all as a lot of times all they do is hurt the ability of talented players with inexperienced coaching just coaching for a check. I don't want a softball coach teaching my child calculus why would I want a calculus teacher coaching her softball team. Thats another story!!!! If TSSAA was interested in the athlete and not the school they would restrict high school coaches to the TSSAA season not players being restricted from playing outside the TSSAA season. Whose rights are being violated? The problem I see with the 50% rule is the amount of players affected that do not get the chance to participate in fall ball. Our high school is perfect example of how this rule hurts the athlete. During summer tryouts for fall ball we had 23 girls, including incoming freshman, trying out for the local travel team. Our county has one high school and due to the 50% rule and the unavailability of athletes from other schools in bordering counties only five of the girls were able to participate. That means 18 girls not on any TSSAA roster wanting to play fall ball had to sit at home while other girls were getting better and doing the sport that they love. Why is fall ball important? First is the individual rights of the athletes that are being violated. Their freedom of choice is being taken away from them so that they can participate in a high school sport (every athletes dream while growing up). Second, college coaches downtime is during the fall, how many college coaches do you really see at high school events in the spring? Our high school girls were prevented from going to college exsposure tournaments this fall due to this rule. Who does this hurt? The athlete. If you go to most of the college exsposure tournaments now they are filled with teams from other states. What this means is that Tennessee colleges are not seeing our athletes, but those from other states. In responce to your comment, any high school coach "threatening" their athletes for not playing with them in the summer should flogged and fired. Here again this is violation of these kids rights. How can anyone demand anything of these athletes when they are not on a TSSAA roster during a TSSAA season. Sounds a little like a dictatorship to me. When did our great state become so far from the statutes that our country was founded on. Do I sound crazy, overzealous, or just jumping up on a soap box? Maybe, but I say it is about time we as parents, coaches, and those that really love this sport stand up for our girls. IF WE DON'T WHO WILL? And like Forest Gump "that's all I have to say about that".

Again, years ago, the decision making processes made by that organization were very suspect. When it comes to them, I have no sympathy at all. If you had gone through the things that I have, you probably would have gone postal. But as for the coaches that coach dual sports, you have to take another look at it. Many, many schools don't take this sport seriously enough for what it deserves, but, you cannot argue the fact that the dual sport coaches typically take this game as serious as it should be. Girls that have those coaches are typically in small towns and are fortunate. Otherwise, the school system would typically assign someone that has no business coaching a ten and under league team. This is reason enough to leave it alone. Dual sport coaches are an asset. They are motivated by competition. Most certainly not the money. But every bit helps.

 

So, don't think they have anything to do with the decision process because they don't. There aren't that many of them and they have their hands full enough dealing with all these loose ends of keeping kids motivated while teaching them good moral and work ethic values. Every school that has a dual coach better count their blessings and thank God for giving them a coach that has sound competitive experience. After all, it boils down to motivation and who better has more experience then them?

 

As for changing the season and whose responsible, we all know who is really responsible. In that manner, my whole point of my original post was to show it is totally pointless to attempt to change what you cannot change. You're wasting your time and you are putting heat on yourself that will eventually come back to haunt you. Everyone here knows who I am and I have been open with my identity from the beginning, years and years ago. Don't for one minute think that anyone can hide behind a screen name. Eventually, you will answer to your critics. Take my advice and enjoy what you have and let the expendable weak minded fight this battle. Eventually, it will go completely away while you still have your dignity.

 

As for the redneck comment.... that was tongue in cheek if you read the whole post... including the PS.... lol.

This series of posts has been one of the most entertaining this year. Sorda reminds me of the "metal cleat" posts from last year. Coming off of two of the driest consecutive years in Tennessee history and hardly having a winter we decide to move the most popular spring sport for female athletes to the fall. It's laughable! Why aren't we trying to get TSSAA to really protect our athletes with mandates for more protective gear for infielders and mandantory double first bases. A better effort to kick TSSAA out of our childrens personal lifes (i.e. 50% rule).

Where is JC#1 Fan? PTSportswriter?? We need the lowdown on JC. Greeneville fans, Cocke County?? The board needs you!

Been trying to post for about three weeks now, but have been having trouble with the site. I hope this post goes through to my loyal IMACIANS. I first tried to respond to the post about what JCHS was missing. At the time Nelson (playing basketball), Hill (not playing?), Tucker (Annie was gettin her guns i.e. she was the lead in the senior play),Peterson (sickly), and probably most importantly Dukes (possible rotater cuff and out for the year) were all missing. This was 5 starters from last year out of commision and even though the sunshine was gone from M'town West the rain clouds seemed to be gathering at JCHS. Since that time all have returned except Hill and the clouds have rolled back, but there still seems to be a 50% chance of rain (i.e. 1-1 record so far) . Girls looked pretty good against a good Farragut team Monday night (L 3-2) and handed a whoopin out at Anderson County Tuesday night (W 7-0). As for the IMAC predictions. Cherokee Chiefs are sendin out the smoke signals already, but as usual East, West, and JCHS will be nippin at their heels just waitin for a slip up. Greeneville and Cocke County will be much improved this year and I expect them to throw a "monkey wrench" into things this year. Good luck to all and let the games begin !!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a kid at UTC that we spculated may be from Coffee Co but I didn't catch her name and don't know if she is the girl we were told about or not anyway it appears that there may be two where we thought there was just one, if they can play, and we were told she could... could make things interesting for us in the 379 and other places as well.

Jefferson County High School may not have the fastest girl in the state, but they have 4 sub 3 second girls. Racheal Tucker (senior), Jessie Smith, Haley Nelson (juniors), and Halie Taylor (sophmore) and all are base savy. This will definately compete for the fastest outfield around with Nelson being the only infielder.

It makes a huge difference in pitcher safety. Go watch some college games. Baseball is totally different.

 

 

 

Hence...you have to pitch instead of just throw. Like I said...the best pitchers will still be dominant.

Pithcers that just throw fastballs and change ups will get hit harder and more often, but those at the top of the game throwing the breaking stuff will be more dominant than before. I have seen our pitcher throw high school from 40 feet and college exsposure from 43. Curves and screwball broke another 3 or 4 inches as well as the drop balls. A pitcher who can throw heat and mix breaking balls from 43 feet will have more success.

Great season lady chiefs. Your performance in the state tournament was inspiring. I know you had no intentions other than winning it all, but you should know that each of you are champions in the eyes of your community.

 

You went toe to toe with the best in the state and avenged a couple of regular season losses in the process. If they didn't know you before this week, I'm pretty sure they know you now.

 

Btw....congrats to all the east tn teams making noise in the boro. 2 out of top 3 in AA and 2 out of top 4 in AAA.

 

Hey Lance, Mwtfan and JCFan#1, the trip to Murfreesboro just reinforced my belief that the IMAC was one of toughest conferences in the state this year.

Amen! Congrats Cherokee, you did us in the IMAC proud. Already missing the IMAC season can't wait till next year. With few players graduating in the IMAC should be another barn burner of a season next year.

Well, it's been a long season for my lady devils but I just want to congratulate them on an improved season. Even though they didn't win a conference game, their level of play was so much better. I think after finishing in the top 10 (7th out of 32 teams, I think?) in the Eastman tournament, many GHS players and fans realized what a tough conference the IMAC is. The Eastman tournament also was pivotal to the last part of our season in a negative way. Almost all those I mentioned in my original post were injured that weekend...I think I jinxed them! Shipley (P and 2B) fractured and severely sprained an ankle. Kelley (3B) dislocated a knuckle and sprained a finger. Renner (SS) tore something in her shoulder. By the end of the regular season, we were playing without 6 starters due to injuries and every one of them were great hitters. But, they persevered and many that weren't getting as much playing time were allowed to step up and fill positons gaining valuable experience for next year. We are such a young team (5 sophmores started before the injuries) with a huge amount of potential. Even though we may have seemed like the same ole Greeneville and it was a difficult season for the seniors, I am excited about the possibilites for the future. To all the IMAC teams, it is an honor to be a fan that gets to watch players of your caliber...such great competition! Good luck and GOOD HEALTH (especially GHS, lol) to all in the tournament!

Lady Devils had a rough year indeed. Injuries plagued you guys this year and you definately are correct in your comments about the Eastman tournament. Four teams finishing in the top seven out of 30 shows the power of this conferance. No disrespect, but a team that did not win a game in this conferance won several games (including Science Hill who is considered one of the best in upper East Tennessee) and finished seventh in that tourney. Your ladies and Cocke county have improved so much this season and with the return of your sophmores health next year you guys will back in the hunt Cocke county what a turn around in one season. The addition of the two freshman and sense of a real opportunity to compete made the difference. Congrats to all the first round winners in the IMAC, should be some great games Monday. JCHS and West at 5 and Cherokee and East at 6:30, wouldn't want to miss these games. Good luck to all exspecially my PATS!!!!!!!

not a good comparison because a cop doesnt pull over everyone going 1 mile over the spped limit they only get the ones that are going about 10 miles an hour over...if they were to pull over everyone going 1 MPH over the speed limit it would get pretty demanding and they wouldnt be able to do anything else...i DO NOT KNOW INS AND OUTS OF SOFTBALL and actually i do not know what a crow hop is from a pitcher but by reading what one of the umps say if he were to call it everytime it would kill the game...I DO NOT KNOW but just a guess

I understand your point, but what I was intending to say was that police officers like umpires shouldn't make the rules just enforce them. What if a cop could decide to write tickets for everyone that was 1 mph below the speed limit, what confusion would there be then? In this discussion the rules are very clear, easy to see and enforce, they really are a major offence like the 10 mph over the limit you refereed to. As I said these offences are easily defined and if the respective coaches can't see them and fix them one of two things should happen. Either they should be penalized as the rules state every time their pitcher throws illegal or they shouldn't be coaching.Would you want a coach instructing your player to not wear a batting helmet, same difference they are both illegal. THere are so many variances in calling that most pitchers don't knowwhat they can do. The one thing that I have seen and don't understand is when coaches get so mad when a ump calls an illegal pitch. Its their job to have that under control before the season starts. Any girls that throws illegal can be taught to throw legally, unfortunately it is like any habit, it is hard to break once started and the only way to stop it is to call it. I understand that some teams don't have a "true" pitcher, but if a lesser talented pitcher is allowed to throw illegaly you must allow the dominant to throw illegaly and then lopsided games could really get ugly.

All of your opinions and remarks are correct no doubt, maybe i came off the wrong way. By judgement an umpire is taking into consideration of many different variables. Why the nikki waters thing was never called, i have no idea. i have often wondered the same thing. For 4 years i figured that state umpires would hammer her over it. im not them so i don't know. The fact does remain though that i would say 95% of pitchers in high school are illegal in some way, so it becomes judgement whether or not to call it. For instance if howard and tyner were playing, would you call illegal pitch everytime b/c every pitch is illegal ON BOTH TEAMS??? There are so many things that are looked at. I love the game, thats why i umpire, youll find most guys do it for the extra money. The high quality teams i think should be judged more harshly than any other teams. its a sad reality but thats just the way it is and its probably never gonna change.

I am not trying to be a smart-elic here, just trying to compare something to make you think. Umpires, whether they love the game or not, are payed to do a job. The compariaon I would like to make is in law enforcement. If we allowed police officers to make the law where would we be, because they have no one to answer to. They, like umpires, are not asked to make the laws just enforce them. I know it is impossible to get everything right, but ask anybody here on this post and all they will say is that they want is consistancy. If it is a rule, enforce it! If not get it out of the rule book! We need more umpires that care about the game and the girls, but it does not help them in any way to allow them to pitch illegaly. Do you think any college coach will look twice at a girl pitching illegaly? Not unless she is above average and they think they can fix them and old habits die hard.

Put the blame where it belongs then.

 

BLAME YOUR COACHES!

I agree and we have voiced our opinions, but this still does not approach the fact that TSSAA does nothing to improve safety issues. And it is not just our coaches the majority of high schools require their athletes in all sports to wear the same shoes. A team wearing non-metal cleats playing teams wearing them are at a distinct disadvantage, look at the situation in Florida where the short stop was cleated in the face on a slide with cleats up. A team wearing non-metal becomes a target when no retaliation "can" be made.

Have you personally seen injuries...or have you read about them on here?

If you had been reading all of these posts instead of just the last one and decided to put your two cents worth in you would have seen that I have posted the fact that our high school team has lost two players due start and stop type injuries due to metal cleats. You can say what you want about them and how many injuries have happened this year compared to other years, but "METAL CLEATS INCREASE SEVERE INJURIES" thats why the trained medical professionals say they should not be used on middle and high school girls. If you question me seeing ball being played, I would have to question how much you have seen. I have coached softball for 27 years from rec to college exsposure in tournaments in almost every state in the south. I am not beating on my chest, just suggesting that you may not be the only so-called "expert" on softball. My question for TSSAA would be why do you constitute a rule that would allow something everyone would admit is "more" dangerous while not instituting rules that would make the sport more safe (i.e. double first base). Metal cleats are not optional for athletes whose coach requires the entire team to wear the same cleat. NO OTHER SANCTIONING BODY IN YOUTH SPORTS ALLOWS METAL CLEATS FOR SOFTBALL, NOT EVEN COLLEGE EXSPOSURE SANCTIONING BODIES WHERE MOST KIDS GET RECRUITED FROM. Hmmmm! I wonder why? Probably because they have studied it instead of just stating their opinion and have seen the increase in major injuries wouldn't you think. If you consdier the athlete before the sport safety will come first. Its that simple!

i am a tssaa official in chattanooga. I know for a fact, at least here, that rules are stictly enforced. If the teams around here see that you are repeatedly not making a call they will not hesitate to contact the the area UIC to get the problem solved. In our monthly meetings it is highly stressed to enforce all rules no matter what the circumstances. That is here in chatt. so i cant speak for other areas. We are also human and people make mistakes and it takes years and years to learn all of the rules and their interpretations. Maybe, the parents in the stands should do the training classes from now on??? Another bit of useful information is to never compare high school ball to summer ball, rules are so much different.

 

The crow hop thing about having to be an advantage is correct. If a pitcher is crow hopping and striking out batters, then i would call it but if she is doing it and walking batter after batter then whats the point?? which is why it does say in the asa rules that it must be an advantage to the pitcher. The reason is b/c, the crow hop is not taught anymore b/c it has been made illegal. So, if you do come across a pitcher who is TRULY crow hopping shell be throwing the ball all over the place. Most parents view of crow hopping is very very far from actual crow hopping. In order to do it, it takes lots and lots of practice. i have never seen a girl ever come close to crow hopping. bad mechanics? yes crow hopping? no

If a pitchers pivot foot leaves the ground is it not illegal whether it is a "crow hop" or not? It may not be considered a crow hop, but if it leaves the ground is it not called a "leap" which is also illegal. I ask this because my understanding of all the rules in question require the pivot foot to remain in contact with the pitching rubber and then "drag" away from it. Please explain if I am incorrect.

i have a question for softball umpires....i was talking to a player for MTCS and her coach put the wrong number down beside her name..the name was correct but the number was wrong ...the umpires of the game called her out for every plate apperance after that...why is that in baseball that is just human error and you change the number on the line up since the name was right and there is no penalty to enforce what is the rule in softball?

"Officially" in baseball and softball all stats and batting order are reported through the number not the name. In both sports the officials are "supposed" to ask both coaches at the meeting at the plate before the game if the line ups are correct. After that there are to be no changes and any batter out of order or with incorrect information is to be out. The easy fix to not take an out is to substitute, then the batter in the line up will be correct. This may not be the best senerio as far as the athlete that you want on the field, but at least you don't have to take an out. Also you could put the correct number in the line up on the athlete in question if the athlete not corresponding to that number is not in the line up.(little confusing there, but I think you can get what I meen) There is always more than one way to skin a cat, but you may have to be a little creative from time to time.