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Much bigger drop for McCallie than I would have expected... not sure that was warranted.

2 hours ago, Thethunda190 said:

so not trying to argue but your telling me that since flynn decided to try to find the best opportunity for himself and went to a school that will travel and get him the opportunities and competition that he needs that tennessee doesn't want to claim him? His residence is still Tennessee and he will compete in the Tennessee freestyle/greco state tournament 

I think the point is that since Cooper is wrestling his high school competition in Maryland that it would be tough to put him in a list compiled from freshmen wrestling for TN high schools.  I am willing to bet if we look that there is at least one GA resident in that list but he is competing for a TN high school, just the inverse situation.

I am sure TN will happily claim Cooper at events like Southeast Regionals, Cadet / Junior Duals, and Fargo if he does come back to TN in the spring / summer.  I don't think his exclusion from this list has anything to do with not wanting to claim Cooper... he just doesn't fit the parameters they are looking at.  Not to mention, that if we are being realistic, the list is compiled by a national service that is just data mining and wouldn't look into that kind of depth.

Kaleb Baker was also a runner-up in the 15U division, can't remember the weight.  Lost to Tyler Manion who wrestled for Clarion if memory serves me correctly.

Some others that I am aware of:

Gary High - Higher Calling - 8U 70

Eli Herring - Wave - 8U 61

Brayden Leach - TN Bad Boys - 10U 76

Aiden Briton - TN Bad Boys - 8U 70

Sam Herring - Wave - 12U

Damen Pullen - Wave - 12U

Ethan (Kage) Williams - Knox Gladiators Elite - 12U

Cooper Hilton - TN Bad Boys

Anyone looking to take this on, in my opinion, is a bit of a masochist.  The amount of events you would have to go through to do it right, assumptions you would need to make, etc. make my head hurt.  Of course that is if you take a super detailed approach to it like I do / did with DII rankings.

Ultimately I would rather that there not be rankings for middle school kids but this is a personal opinion.

On 1/2/2018 at 2:23 AM, durdon said:

Garrett, like I said just looking on paper it looked like Granite was tougher than KC was this particular year and my bad on name change, I couldn’t find it on track and Derek told me they changed the name.  I didn’t realize they changed it a few years ago. Prep Slam was very tough.  This was a much stronger Brother Martin team here then was at Black Horse just like Baylor was a much stronger team too.  MBA may not be ranked but they have 3 kids that score a lot of points in individual tourneys.    

Scott,

Interested to know why you thought it looked tougher on paper.  Maybe you are seeing something I am over-looking.

Only major change for Baylor was Pace officially in at 138, right?  Otherwise looked like the same line-up they put out at KC.

As for Brother Martin, doesn't look that different to me... 11 of the 14 wrestlers are the same (2 swapped weighs).  At two of the weights where they had changes the wrestlers didn't really contribute many points in either tournament (160 and 182).  At 160 they placed about the same in both events so some improvement there.  At 182 the two wrestlers look pretty darn equivalent.  It looked like their only major upgrade was at 120.  That looks like typically changes for most teams from early season to mid-season to me.

5 hours ago, durdon said:

Prep Slam was a very hard tournament.  The top 14 teams here were really good teams.  Any of the kids that placed had very impressive tournament. 

Granite City is now called the Red Schimit Tourney and it had some really tough team there also, especially the top 12 teams.  On paper this looks like a harder tourney than the KC Stampede that CBHS  went to already.  

Just going to share some opinions on your comments here... 

1) Granite City is not as tough / deep as Kansas City.  Granite City is a very good tournament but not what Kansas City is, though Kansas City wasn't as tough as it has been in the past in terms of upper-level national talent and ranked teams.  CBHS did have a better showing at Granite City than Kansas City, jumping some teams that finished ahead of them in KC but different tournament make-up in terms of depth, etc. as well as different line-ups.

2) Coach Lewis already addressed the naming convention for Granite City... I think this is something like the 53rd year of that tournament.

3) I think you are overselling the Prep Slam just a smidgen there... the 13th place team was MBA... not even ranked as top 12 in TN right now.  Jesuit from LA was 12th... they finished 28th at Kansas City.  The second place team, Brother Martin, LA took 2nd to CBHS at Black Horse earlier this year.  A good tournament but like most tournaments the strength varied quite a bit from weight to weight.

On 12/29/2017 at 0:00 PM, WrestlingGod said:

I'm not sure on a lot of other teams but I know CBHS did crack the top 25 when Kaleb Baker was there. They won the KC Stampede that year. Maybe 2012. I'm not exactly sure of the year. Maybe Garrett could help on that.

On 12/29/2017 at 8:43 PM, cobrakid8 said:

Best CB ever did at KC was 6th in 2011 and I don’t see CB ranked in the national polls at that time. I don’t ever remember a TN being ranked in the national polls, sadly TN just isn’t at that level, GA has had a few through the years with Collins Hill, Archer and FL with Brandon, but the south itself hasn’t had that many ranked teams.

15 hours ago, SAC said:

Fairly certain CBHS entered the Fab 50 poll a few years ago. Not top 25 but did appear in the Intermat preseason poll (2012). 

CBHS has never cracked the top 25 (in any reputable poll), nor has any TN team in the time that I have been following wrestling in the state or that I have seen covered in my searches through history.  not saying it hasn't happened but I don't believe it has happened in the modern timeframe where I think national rankings are a little more solid, etc. as the exposure has grown so much in the last decade and a half or so.

The 2011-2012 CBHS team ended the year ranked 47th in the nation  by Intermat.  I believe that they got as high as the mid-30's that season after they knocked off the previous #30 ranked team, Blue Springs (MO), who had finished a few spots ahead of them in KC.  That dual score was somewhere around 35-18.  I think the dual with Soddy Daisy earlier in the year was closer but we all know duals are about match-ups, etc.  As someone mentioned, CBHS finished 6th at the Kansas City Invitational / Stampede (can't remember which name it was using then).  I could probably dig up some snapshots of those mid-season rankings to know exactly what it was they were ranked but that might take me some time. 

The 2012-2013 CBHS team also ended the year ranked 47th in the nation by Intermat.  They only managed a 14th place finish at Kansas City that season but were missing some starters including defending champion Kaleb Baker.  I don't remember how high their ranking climbed during the season that year.  I do think that was the year they set the scoring record at the Granite City Tournament they won over a tough Archer team out of GA.  They also had some big wins over traditional powers like Mater Dei (IN) and Merrilville (IN).  I think they took a lose to Pope (GA) at the Cleveland Duals that year as their only lose.

There have been very few SE teams that have entered the top 25 through the years.  Brandon (FL) was up there for quite a while and right now Lake Highland Prep seems to be representing Florida in the national rankings.  GA has had some teams that have made it that high in the past like Collins Hill and Archer from what I remember.  As has been mentioned here before there always seems to be a rotating power in the Atlanta, GA that can get into the rankings... Collins Hill, Pope, Archer, etc. and then Camden has been strong as of late.  Beyond that national ranking representation in the SE is hard to find. 

Teams really have to get out and hit the bigger events where the other ranked teams will be and then you have to be able to hold your own and pick-up wins if you want a chance to crack into those rankings.

Very few people in the state really understand what a team competing at that level looks like and what it takes to get there.

I think nearly all of the teams that I saw were short at least one wrestler.  I don't think any of them are going to use that as a crutch but all will figure things could be different later in the year.

I will echo that... never can watch live but really enjoyed the archive of the first two... are you guys going to be able to go back to posting them?

Cleveland and CBHS going at it right now based on TrackWrestling scores so looks like it will be Cleveland, CBHS, and McCallie in the top 3 slots.

19 minutes ago, DaBears1976 said:

Just heard Cleveland has the winner between Bradley and Science Hill match. Not sure who the 3rd team is for Christian Brothers and McCallie.

 

That doesn't make any sense... if McCallie, Cleveland, and CBHS all won their pools then they should be wrestling each other.  

3 minutes ago, DaBears1976 said:

McCallie just beat Bradley. Christian Brothers just beat Science Hill I'm pretty sure. All in the 3rd round. Cleveland is still winning. I don't know how they're doing a 12 team bracket. 

They will take the 1's from each of the three pools and place them in a 3-team round robin.  Same for the 2's, etc.

23 minutes ago, Nainten said:

Are results posting anywhere on-line?  

What I have seen so far from some of the more interesting matches:

CBHS over Baylor.

Bradley Central won a close one over Arlington.  BC also got a win over Beech.

Arlington won a close one over Beech.

Going to be a very interesting day of wrestling... wish I could have made the trip up.

Hopefully be able to catch some of it on the stream.

I am expecting some really good duals in most of those pools.

Nice to see CBHS finally get back on top at Black Horse... Brother Martin always brings a very tough team.  That was a heck of a team race and they needed some help from other teams to knock off the BM kids here and there.

I am excited to see what CBHS can do this year, especially as the line-up shakes out at a few weights and everyone gets into mid-season form.

Going to be a great event, sad I won't be able to make it up to watch.

Always interesting to see what the team rosters look like this event because it always seems one or two teams are missing a starter for ACT, football all-stars, etc. on this weekend and it makes for some shuffling, etc. to try and cover.  Not to mention the general descent plan issues that some teams are likely still working through.

Going to be some great duals even in the pools, let alone once you get to the cross-brackets.

I tried to listen for a while at work but the background noise was drowning out a lot of what Al was saying... not sure if the sound between the two video feeds could be balanced a bit better.

Yes I know I am nit-picking!

I saw Justin Becci (Brentwood Academy) get the start for the Air Force Academy today against Minnesota.  

Another that I didn't see listed early was Trevor Brown (CBHS) at West Virginia.  Believe he is out with an injury right now. 

Bumping this up again as we are getting closer to registration deadlines and starting to see registrations get entered.

Looking to be a good field again based on clubs I am hearing from.  Those of you who aren't already locked into leagues where you can't compete outside come on down and join us.

All,

We are happy to invite you down to Memphis, TN for our 10th annual Mayhem in Memphis tournament on Saturday November 11th.

Each year we have been lucky to see the number of high-level (national place winning) wrestlers continue to increase... we expect the same again this year.  The previous few years we were just shy of 300 wrestlers, but our numbers were down a bit last year.  The good news is that several clubs who couldn't attend last year are slated to be back this year and we are expecting our numbers to be back up to previous levels or above.  Regardless of numbers we still had great competition with 7 states represented last year: Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Tennessee.  The team race was quite close as the Maritime Wrestling Academy in KY brought a very strong squad last year and has vowed to do so again this year.

We plan to continue our tradition of running a strong tournament that flows smoothly and offers competition for wrestlers of every level.  The brackets will be split into  beginner and advanced groups where numbers allow.  This allows your newer wrestlers to get quality mat time at the right level and your more experienced wrestlers to get mat time against other quality competition.  This tournament provides a great warm-up for the upper-level wrestlers headed to the Tulsa Kick-Off the next week.

All registration will be handled via TrackWrestling. Full details are in the flyer text included below.

Don't hesitate to call or write with any questions.

We look forward to seeing you on the mat soon.

2017 10th Annual
Mayhem in Memphis
Youth Wrestling Tournament
Saturday, November 11, 2017

Christian Brothers High School
5900 E. Walnut Grove
Memphis, TN 38104

Our goal is to give each wrestler the maximum amount of mat time against the appropriate level of competition. Great tune-up before higher level competition (Tulsa Kick-off) or introduction for beginners.

Entry Fee: $15.00 per wrestler payable online during registration. Deadline: 8PM CST Thursday November 9, 2017.
Late registration is $25.00 per wrestler. Coaches and wrestlers must have a current USAW card.
Additional division registration $10.00 per wrestlers, please contact tournament director concerning these registrations.

Registration: Online at TrackWrestling as Mayhem in Memphis X (direct link below)

http://unapproved website/registration/BasicPreReg1.jsp?tournamentGroupId=287303009

For difficulties with online registration send email to wavewrestlingclub@gmail.com; please include wrestler’s name, DOB, club name, USAW Card #, division(s), and weight(s).

Format: We will attempt to separate beginner and advanced brackets to optimize competition where possible.
USA Wrestling 2018 Age Divisions and Weights (September 1, 2017 to August 31, 2018)
Double Elimination with Round Robin brackets with less than 8 wrestlers
Bantam, Intermediate and Novice 1-1-1 (30-second overtime period)
Schoolboy and Cadet 2-1-1 (30-second overtime period)
Two certified coaches maximum in each competitor’s corner
*Ages and weights may be combined (with coach approval) where numbers necessitate

Schedule: First Session – Pre-Bantam, Bantam and Novice wrestling will begin at 9AM
Second Session – Intermediate, Schoolboy, and Cadet wrestling will begin at 2PM

Weigh-Ins: 1) Friday 6 PM to 8 PM (All Wrestlers)
2) Saturday 7AM to 8AM (First Session Wrestlers Have Priority)
3) Saturday Noon to 1PM (Second Session)
Wrestlers must weigh-in and make weight; there is a $10.00 bracket change fee for wrestlers who do not make registered weight. Weight changes can be made until the close of registration.

Skin Screen: Athletes must submit to a skin disease screening prior to weigh-in. The chief medical officer has full authority without appeal in determining the eligibility of an athlete to compete.

Awards: Trophies for 1st, medals 2nd through 4th (bracket for Champions), and OW awards for each division.
Overall team award for team with most team points scored using 2 point scorers per age division.

Admissions: $5.00 Adults, $3.00 Students/Children, $10.00 Family

For more information, questions, etc. please contact the Tournament Director:
Garrett House
wavewrestlingclub@gmail.com
(901)-289-3795

38 minutes ago, KingGreene said:

Most of these kids are 145's that we are assuming will probably go up one weight from last season. Another one that was in that 145 class last season and could go up and make some noise here is Dalton Cockman. He lost to Weist in OT in the blood round last season. Someone made a statement in a different thread about him being at Arlington now. If that is the case (and he is eligible) I think he will benefit greatly from that room and coaches and be a top contender as well. 

I would expect Cockman to be eligible... believe the family moved.

Unfortunately it looks like Mason lost his first match in the repechage.  Still a great opportunity for him to gain that experience traveling and wrestling internationally while representing USA.

Definitely a limited set of TN wrestlers that have represented the US internationally.  There are probably a few wrestlers that have taken part in some international tours where they were likely part of a US delegation but not a representative of USA in an official FILA / UWW championship or event.

Tommy Brackett did recently represent the USA at the JR Pan-American championships in Greco-Roman where he picked up a silver medal.  Christian Salter wrestled in the Cadet Pan-Am's but that was representing Puerto Rico.

48 minutes ago, salterjd said:

If he is truly repeating eighth grade he would be ineligible.

Section 8. An eighth grade student is eligible to participate for a member school if he/she is enrolled at the school. Students below the eighth grade are not eligible to practice or participate for a member school. Any student repeating the eighth grade shall not be eligible for high school participation during the year that the student is repeating the eighth grade. 

That is true, I didn't catch the peice about this being a repeat year for him.  

On 8/25/2017 at 3:02 PM, durdon said:

Garrison is at Baylor MS but he is repeating 8th grade so he can not wrestle this year.. 

Technically Garrison would be able to wrestle varsity for Baylor if they so chose.  Baylor is one of the few schools where an 8th grader can compete HS varsity.